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Erich Bloodaxe BSN

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8. That depends on your definition.
Mon May 5, 2014, 04:20 PM
May 2014

A lot of people are hung up on massive state-sanctioned violence against citizens, and proclaim that if we don't exactly mirror some previous fascist nation, we aren't one. Or that 'fascism' depends upon state capture of corporations, as opposed to our corporate capture of the government.

But a lot of the steps took place in the wake of '9/11'. The creation of 'Homeland Security'. The ramping up and militarization of police forces. We've always had the quashing of nonviolent protests with force, so that's not new. "Free Speech Zones" - aka you don't have free speech or the right to assemble unless the government tells you just where and when you can. The use of government power to preference the wealthy elite isn't new either, that's another one that's been around since the beginning. The incredible expansion of surveillance of the population is fairly new, though.

But in the new fascism, violence is more often retail rather than wholesale, with police almost always evading any responsibility for their horrific actions, while control is through the age old 'bread and circuses' and elections whose outcomes are different only in the degree to which most folks get screwed.

So the increase in the rate of slide into fascism happened on 9/12/2001.

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When someone decided that hysteria was... TreasonousBastard May 2014 #1
America is not a fascist state. Stop being hyperbolic. Throd May 2014 #2
Passage of the "Patriot Act." 1000words May 2014 #3
When you are not allowed to post such a question. former9thward May 2014 #4
Not entirely true BlindTiresias May 2014 #21
When we started electing "leaders" rather than representatives. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #5
Let me ask the driver of the black van that just picked me up off the street. JoePhilly May 2014 #6
Not this shit again...n/t Godhumor May 2014 #7
That depends on your definition. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2014 #8
Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish May 2014 #9
I hear you. grasswire May 2014 #13
Perhaps when George H W Bush lied American into war on Iraq. Octafish May 2014 #22
Its been heading that way ever since 2000 election quinnox May 2014 #10
Never. nt hack89 May 2014 #11
I Do Not Think It Has, Sir The Magistrate May 2014 #12
Google "Operation Paperclip" warrprayer May 2014 #14
It was a dark and stormy night. randome May 2014 #15
We're not a fascist state yet. AverageJoe90 May 2014 #16
Wasn't aware it had. cherokeeprogressive May 2014 #17
When we are prevented from having this discussion. LanternWaste May 2014 #18
Well the way I UglyGreed May 2014 #24
This reminds me of cyberchondria. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #19
which disturbing signs have we not met yet? nt grasswire May 2014 #20
I think "Fascism" has ceased to be a useful descriptor of political systems. Maedhros May 2014 #23
good point nt grasswire May 2014 #26
Generally accepted fourteen signs of fascist society grasswire May 2014 #25
So forever SpartanDem May 2014 #29
Funny how "being arrested for speaking out against the government" is not on the list. Nye Bevan May 2014 #32
interesting that the list of components halts the conversation. grasswire May 2014 #27
Benghazi!!! GeorgeGist May 2014 #28
Bernard Gross published ''Friendly Fascism'' in 1980 Octafish May 2014 #30
OK, 'fess up. Did you get a speeding ticket yesterday? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2014 #31
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