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VanillaRhapsody

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60. Failure....

Thu May 15, 2014, 08:20 AM

May 2014

GMAFB....

As a group ....no..

Being born White and male is a DISTINCT advantage:

as of 2010 compared to White male's salaries in the U.S. (at 100%)

Black men 74.5% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic men 65.9% (of White males salaries)

White women 80.5% (of White males salaries)
Black women 69.6% (of White males salaries)
Hispanic women 59.8% (of White males salaries)

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0882775.html

If that's "failure".....what are you going to call these other groups mentioned? and isn't THAT insulting to THEM?

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I hate to get into it, but here goes [View all] RainDog May 2014 OP

I see this, the feminist group and the men's group, all as divide and conqure angstlessk May 2014 #1

a big tent has lots of different experiences within RainDog May 2014 #5

Divisive? alp227 May 2014 #10

In a back and forth in one of the other threads... CANDO May 2014 #21

Whoa. So you're essentially arguing the same thing that spammers argue, alp227 May 2014 #26

Where are you coming up with that? CANDO May 2014 #28

when I saw the "bash white people" part of your post, alp227 May 2014 #32

Post removed Post removed May 2014 #33

no one is talking about YOU! boston bean May 2014 #27

It's a term that has been around for a while RainDog May 2014 #34

Thank you for a positive and constructive response CANDO May 2014 #38

Thank you for taking the time to listen to my rambles RainDog May 2014 #40

Yes, yes. People different from you talking about their experiences really just boils down to Squinch May 2014 #104

*sigh* ismnotwasm May 2014 #109

I see this quote as key RainDog May 2014 #151

I think we need to stay away from broad brush generalizations of everybody. White privilege? Give applegrove May 2014 #137

I don't think you understand what big tent means. n/t mattclearing May 2014 #163

It doesn't mean "do whatever you can not to make the majority uncomfortable." n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #200

I stay out of a lot of discussions here notadmblnd May 2014 #2

rec'd mike_c May 2014 #3

Dang! Baitball Blogger May 2014 #4

this guy said it better than me RainDog May 2014 #48

The phrase "white privilege" couldn't be better designed to put poor whites on the defensive Fumesucker May 2014 #6

Think of it as a test of character RainDog May 2014 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Dragonfli May 2014 #24

No, the stupid strawman erected about poor white people is what's designed to do that. NuclearDem May 2014 #8

I personally understand that Fumesucker May 2014 #9

I understand what you're saying, too RainDog May 2014 #11

Yes, talk of privilege is undermined with the Randian "you deserve what you got" mentality Chathamization May 2014 #23

Luck and personal effort are both involved. It's not either/or. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #201

"Personal effort" is a poor term for it Chathamization May 2014 #205

I agree with you. There is a lot in life we can't control, starting with the parents we're born to. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #210

True, it's a hard line to walk. Chathamization May 2014 #214

Agree with everything you wrote, especially "those that end up at the bottom" not being at fault nomorenomore08 May 2014 #215

Well said. Thanks for going over some of this stuff with me. N/T Chathamization May 2014 #217

Thanks for your contributions to this thread RainDog May 2014 #216

Thank you for making a thread that's fostered such a good discussion Chathamization May 2014 #218

it was not meant to "put poor whites on the defensive".... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #45

please don't try to read others' minds RainDog May 2014 #49

I was responding TO reading of minds..... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #50

that person talked about phrasing, not mind reading RainDog May 2014 #53

Why are certain words, terms and phrases essentially banned on DU? Fumesucker May 2014 #55

Failure.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #60

But they weren't playing on the "easy" setting Fumesucker May 2014 #62

No one said anything about that but YOU! VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #63

Isn't that that the implication of privilege? Fumesucker May 2014 #68

and every indication says that if you are a White male...in any situation VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #71

Isn't that what I said? Fumesucker May 2014 #72

So are you saying that those who are poor and not White male are even more at fault? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #74

No, just the opposite and you know it Fumesucker May 2014 #75

No....this is the dumbest argument for your position ever... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #78

Explain how the uber-privileged fail then.. Fumesucker May 2014 #83

Are they? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #86

Evidently we are in violent agreement Fumesucker May 2014 #87

Well you have...whether you know it or not... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #91

I already said that and explained what as I see as some implications Fumesucker May 2014 #95

Yes calling it like it TI is... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #96

I'm glad we had this little chat Fumesucker May 2014 #99

Giving up so soon? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #103

What part of "I agree with you" do you fail to understand? Fumesucker May 2014 #105

I am sure you do.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #107

Exactly, fairly shortly men will be unnecessary for reproduction Fumesucker May 2014 #114

Of course you are.... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #118

Of course you are... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #119

Nice graphics Fumesucker May 2014 #120

I know they are.. VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #122

The drug war is somewhere the government could make a *huge* difference in white privilege Fumesucker May 2014 #123

Yeah right....sure whatever... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #124

If you are poor and White male...it is still easier than being poor and Black and or poor and Female VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #64

Where do we disagree? Fumesucker May 2014 #76

Then you admit you are just trolling? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #79

How is agreeing with you trolling? Fumesucker May 2014 #82

How is what you are saying agreeing with me? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #130

You don't think white males have a significant advantage in life? Fumesucker May 2014 #155

Of course you do... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #157

What are you arguing with? Fumesucker May 2014 #162

I am not arguing....nor am I making light of a serious issues people are facing in this country... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #164

Boy it sure doesn't take much to get an ad hominem response from you truedelphi May 2014 #181

fwiw RainDog May 2014 #195

fwiw VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #213

Ad Hominem I have been posting chart after chart to prove my point... VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #212

I know from visiting my son's college and being on his campus for some two weeks, truedelphi May 2014 #115

Selective admissions in general are anathema to equality and public money shouldn't go to Chathamization May 2014 #173

I'm going to try to speak to this point ... JoePhilly May 2014 #128

Thanks for your thoughtful reply RainDog May 2014 #138

Thanks ... JoePhilly May 2014 #176

Nailed it. ctsnowman May 2014 #58

No he didn't VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #61

Yep. Great outreach program. Eleanors38 May 2014 #81

So by your theory....since we have a Black President....Racism is over right? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #160

Thank you for your consideration RainDog May 2014 #165

hahahaha he has? VanillaRhapsody May 2014 #166

Kick. Denial and arguing that "I probably have it worse than a person of color Squinch May 2014 #12

to read that shit here is just heartbreaking and maddening. boston bean May 2014 #18

Yes. That was beyond the pale. Squinch May 2014 #39

BRAVO Raindog!!! As a poor white person who's been through a lot... it's NOTHING compared to what DesertDiamond May 2014 #13

It's the strangest thing, how some people deny and get offended BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #19

I agree RainDog May 2014 #37

I agree mostly, as well... freebrew May 2014 #70

It's the outrage du jour! Initech May 2014 #14

I see hurt on both sides RainDog May 2014 #15

Excellent post RainDog and well said. Thank you. justhanginon May 2014 #16

Thank you RainDog May 2014 #47

Only a fool believes that white privilege doesn't exist. blackspade May 2014 #17

Damn right. riqster May 2014 #57

Yes, I grew up poor and made plenty of bad decisions bhikkhu May 2014 #67

Problem solved! shaayecanaan May 2014 #88

We can admit that there is both a poverty problem and a race-based inequality problem bhikkhu May 2014 #150

Well Said! BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #20

true, many of them are one in the same. boston bean May 2014 #22

that's a fact. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #25

As a matter of principle, I'll just take a moment to note that perhaps, JUST PERHAPS... Shandris May 2014 #29

I think that's one reason the term isn't the best RainDog May 2014 #30

Well said, and I can't (and wouldn't want to) argue with the overall sentiment one bit. Shandris May 2014 #35

well said RainDog May 2014 #36

You cannot "set aside" economics in probably any political discussion, definitely not in the US. TheKentuckian May 2014 #178

I agree, of course RainDog May 2014 #187

Your comment is extremely petinent. n/t truedelphi May 2014 #116

K&R Ohio Joe May 2014 #31

With you. High five. Unity need not be conflated with uniformity of outlook and purity of soul. ancianita May 2014 #41

When people of color discuss our experiences here on DU regarding race, PLEASE Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2014 #42

+1 ScreamingMeemie May 2014 #43

I've really not been aware of the level of aggravation RainDog May 2014 #46

White male poster here - can't disagree with a word; happy to K&R. bullwinkle428 May 2014 #44

"supports the idea that white people do not want to understand the experience of others" Number23 May 2014 #51

I hesitated RainDog May 2014 #54

K&R, well stated. (n/t) MadrasT May 2014 #52

Please stop blaming DU for its trolls. nt valerief May 2014 #56

Why? If those views are expressed here and continue to be expressed here with no PPRing or hiding seaglass May 2014 #59

You know the poster doesn't want to be lumped in with racists and hell neither do I. boston bean May 2014 #66

Excellent post RainDog NCTraveler May 2014 #65

All white privilege means The Wizard May 2014 #69

The same for Chinese, Japanese, etc shaayecanaan May 2014 #89

You are presuming to tell people that a particular topic of discussion is off limits. totodeinhere May 2014 #73

Diversity good, dissent bad... shaayecanaan May 2014 #92

No, honestly, it doesn't say that RainDog May 2014 #106

I became aware of how priviliged I am sulphurdunn May 2014 #77

Good post Harmony Blue May 2014 #84

No wonder you say things like this. bravenak May 2014 #98

No one disproved what I put forth Harmony Blue May 2014 #154

Competition is in our nature. davidthegnome May 2014 #80

oh we are all human first in this country heaven05 May 2014 #94

To be honest, I've only ever heard the term from pious white liberals... shaayecanaan May 2014 #97

per your last line heaven05 May 2014 #85

I appreciate your post, and agree with most of it. Eleanors38 May 2014 #90

we live in a country where a political party routinely uses race noiretextatique May 2014 #108

If I'm getting what you say, the difference in messages Eleanors38 May 2014 #117

bullshit noiretextatique May 2014 #219

Whether it 's the internet or T.V., the message is created Eleanors38 May 2014 #220

White Privilege is very real . . FairWinds May 2014 #93

75% of Americans oppose legacy preferences shaayecanaan May 2014 #100

but preferences for a winning college athelete are just dandy ... kwassa May 2014 #149

here you go shaayecanaan May 2014 #186

Can't read it, there is a paywall. kwassa May 2014 #189

then try here shaayecanaan May 2014 #193

I didn't know this was started to limit Jewish and immigrant kids RainDog May 2014 #194

I agree n/t RainDog May 2014 #110

Thanks RainDog. NOLALady May 2014 #101

AMEN and AMEN!! If we objectify human nature like the OP has done then MAYBE people will stop uponit7771 May 2014 #102

this shit is so insidious...and yet so obvious noiretextatique May 2014 #111

as a teen underachiever, I got a pretty close look at white privilege paulkienitz May 2014 #112

Thanks to RainDog for this Post kmlisle May 2014 #113

great reply RainDog May 2014 #144

People either get it or they don't ecstatic May 2014 #121

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2014 #125

Can we resolve Climate Change now, please...next! randys1 May 2014 #126

Believe it or not, this moves us a step forward in that regard. Uncle Joe May 2014 #131

You write good...me stupid compared to you LOL randys1 May 2014 #177

Thanks for the positivity RainDog May 2014 #188

Just when Miami gets to be the Venice of the south? RainDog May 2014 #141

If we all take a step back Babel_17 May 2014 #127

Not to mention RainDog May 2014 #142

Well said, Rain Dog bettyellen May 2014 #129

Thanks for your kindness RainDog May 2014 #140

"African Americans cannot talk about offenses against them without some white taking it personally" yurbud May 2014 #132

Good insights RainDog May 2014 #167

the phrase, even if "true" is a big boon to the Tea Party and the GOP The Green Manalishi May 2014 #133

I agree with you RainDog May 2014 #145

"I thought DU was better than this." Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #134

Lol! It sure was. NealK May 2014 #136

yeah. sometimes it's like this RainDog May 2014 #146

Or this.... Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #152

this is for all you snarkoleptics... RainDog May 2014 #153

How now brown,....HEY!!!! Sheeze,....white privilege AGAIN!!! Spitfire of ATJ May 2014 #170

Okay so whites should just get over it..... whistler162 May 2014 #135

Mark Twain RainDog May 2014 #139

Of course there is white privilege, but it is a pretty useless and misused concept. Vattel May 2014 #143

I had to think about that last sentence for a minute to decide whether I agree or disagree yurbud May 2014 #182

Welfare Queen! justiceischeap May 2014 #147

to be honest shaayecanaan May 2014 #168

Great post! etherealtruth May 2014 #148

What do you mean "we", white woman? R. Daneel Olivaw May 2014 #156

I'm a woman RainDog May 2014 #158

Amended. Joke still stands. R. Daneel Olivaw May 2014 #159

not dat depp RainDog May 2014 #161

Wow, you really seem to have stepped in it hfojvt May 2014 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author RainDog May 2014 #171

so long, farewell, adieu, auf weidersehen RainDog May 2014 #172

well that's nice, and nice of you to tell me too hfojvt May 2014 #180

Hmmm gollygee May 2014 #174

having a greater chance hfojvt May 2014 #179

White privilege sometimes leads to wealth and sometimes doesn't gollygee May 2014 #184

Please, Please, Please RobinA May 2014 #175

Kicked and recommended In_The_Wind May 2014 #183

KnR RainDog Hekate May 2014 #185

K&R! Beautifully and eloquently stated! Thank you! n/t markpkessinger May 2014 #190

To add to RainDog's excellent OP . . . markpkessinger May 2014 #191

Thanks for bringing this post to the discussion RainDog May 2014 #192

Dr. Joy DeGruy RainDog May 2014 #199

Economic stats that demonstrate systemic issues RainDog May 2014 #207

I also want to provide a link to this post RainDog May 2014 #196

Thank you, RainDog! Well said. Sissyk May 2014 #197

thank you so much RainDog May 2014 #198

Thanks so much for this post. Hopefully it'll make at least a few folks stop and think. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #202

Plus the anniversary of the decision in Brown v Board of Education of Topeka was this week. Major Hogwash May 2014 #203

was it on tv? RainDog May 2014 #204

Yes. Major Hogwash May 2014 #209

I am SO glad I leave this kind of shit alone. A HERETIC I AM May 2014 #206

When a right wing, blatantly racist post is allowed to stand here RainDog May 2014 #208

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #211