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In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: The State Department's Ukraine Fiasco [View all]Tommy_Carcetti
(44,142 posts)14. You might want to check up on the definition of "coup"
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coup%20d%27%C3%A9tat
coup d'état
noun \ˌkü-(ˌ
dā-ˈtä, ˈkü-(ˌ
dā-ˌ, -də-\
: a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence
Who was the "small group of people"? Where was the violence that forced Yanukovych to leave against his will?
Yanukovych took three days to pack up various valuable possessions such as oil paintings and flew away on his own accord in his own helicopters. There's clear video evidence to that fact. There is nothing to indicate that he was kidnapped or forced to leave against his will. Nothing.
There was no coup. Regime change, yes, but no coup.
Regarding Crimea, before the heavily controverted vote this year, Crimea never voted to become part of anyone. It was conquered by the Russians in the late 18th Century and heavily Russified, and most of its native population was deported by Stalin in World War II. While under Soviet rule, it was shuffled around from the Russian SSR to Ukrainian SSR, which was pretty much meaningless given that it was all under tight Soviet control.
coup d'état
noun \ˌkü-(ˌ


: a sudden attempt by a small group of people to take over the government usually through violence
Who was the "small group of people"? Where was the violence that forced Yanukovych to leave against his will?
Yanukovych took three days to pack up various valuable possessions such as oil paintings and flew away on his own accord in his own helicopters. There's clear video evidence to that fact. There is nothing to indicate that he was kidnapped or forced to leave against his will. Nothing.
There was no coup. Regime change, yes, but no coup.
Regarding Crimea, before the heavily controverted vote this year, Crimea never voted to become part of anyone. It was conquered by the Russians in the late 18th Century and heavily Russified, and most of its native population was deported by Stalin in World War II. While under Soviet rule, it was shuffled around from the Russian SSR to Ukrainian SSR, which was pretty much meaningless given that it was all under tight Soviet control.
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I'm in total disbelief that Parry was once considered a respectable investigative journalist.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#5
Yanukovych was not kidnapped, killed, arrested, or forcibly removed. He left on his own accord.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#21
The "Svoboda stormtroopers", whoever they were, did not force Yankovych to leave.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#84
Yanukovich still had complete control of his military and security forces, including the Berkut and
pampango
May 2014
#86
My position that he's a "hack" is my own statement of opinion based on facts I've gathered.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#19
Parry "found" jack shit. I doubt he's been in Ukraine over the past year, if at all.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#23
So if it's bullshit, do you have the evidence to bolster Parry's claims that I challenged?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#42
Crimea was shuffled around by the Soviets from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#75
Other than the countless times that I've mentioned I'm an unemployed student.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#80
I agree. Blaming the US for the Russian invasion is laughable and unsupportable.
stevenleser
May 2014
#18
Parry is one of the most respected US Journalists. And Nuland, we all know HER 'ties' btw, did way
sabrina 1
May 2014
#46
Robert Parry of 2014 runs a two-bit website. His columns on Ukraine are rehashed RT stories....
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#48
There was a coup in Ukraine, Parry is hardly the only one who recognizes that. Are you
sabrina 1
May 2014
#53
Yes, I am arguing that there was not a coup. "Coup" has a specific meaning....
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#55
Definitely fits all the definitions of a coup. Complete with the tapes of the plotters several
sabrina 1
May 2014
#57
I've taken to plugging in "military-industrial complex" everywhere I see "Neocon"
starroute
May 2014
#6
Agreed. Neocon Putin sent his head of the MIC to Syria to accept thanks from Assad
pampango
May 2014
#77
The day that Robert Parry is banned from this site, will be the day it has to declare itself
sabrina 1
May 2014
#51
Something you might not know about the timeline of events in February 2014.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#58
He also stated he was not leaving his post in a televised address *before* the controversial vote
newthinking
May 2014
#61
The coup timeline goes way further back than Feb. Yanukovych had no chance of being left in power,
sabrina 1
May 2014
#66
Coups involve an actual scheme and execution. You've shown none of that.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#74
'Some figures' in the West, included those that were exposed publicly, members of the State Dept.
sabrina 1
May 2014
#81
Simply repeating the word "coup" over and over again does not mean there was actually a coup.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#73
Getting involved in other peoples civil wars have been ever so successful before.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#63