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Octafish

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64. For starters, you attribute to Parry what RT wrote.

Wed May 28, 2014, 03:45 PM

May 2014

Which is what was known at the time. If you go from what Frontline reported last night, there's a propaganda war going on. From the footage that aired, I could see with my own eyes that there are murderers aplenty on both sides.

But, what really gets to me:

* Yanukovych fled after "neo-Nazi" militia seized government buildings on February 22nd. Not true. Yanukovych fled on the night of February 21-22, before police pulled back and the impeachment vote was had. He had actually been packing for two days before that, meaning that even as it relates to the initial negotiated deal that would have kept him in power but would have called for early elections--he apparently had no desire to stay in Ukraine and honor that.

If Parry wrote the guy left on Feb. 22 and you make it out like he was the night of Feb. 21/22, that is some catch you made.

Then there's:

* Russia never invaded Crimea because it already had troops there. False and disgustingly unprofessional journalism on Parry's part. Pre-annexation and pursuant to treaty, Russia had been allowed to keep its Soviet era naval base in Sevastapol, and naturally, Russia was allowed to have troops *ON THAT BASE*. That does not account for the well-armed and equipped uniformed men who appeared throughout Crimea and *OFF THE BASE* following the events in Maidan--troops Putin initially denied were Russian, but after annexation was achieved, he unequivocally admitted were in fact Russian military. Incredible chutzpah for Parry to lie about that.

Spin all you want, Russia owned Crimea. Most of the people in Crimea have Russian roots. Russia had troops defending its Naval base.

The United States has not done much to be proud of in the region. Boxing in Russia by converting its former fellow Soviet Republic states into allies, including Ukraine and its newly installed fascist regime, is not advancing the cause of world peace. It's moving the world toward war.

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Robert Parry: The State Department's Ukraine Fiasco [View all] eridani May 2014 OP

K&R woo me with science May 2014 #1

K & R malaise May 2014 #2

yup n/t reddread May 2014 #3

Russia and China united agin' us? Who knew? Octafish May 2014 #4

and another MisterP May 2014 #9

I'm in total disbelief that Parry was once considered a respectable investigative journalist. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #5

If deposing an elected leader isn't a coup, what is? eridani May 2014 #8

You might want to check up on the definition of "coup" Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #14

Violence? Svoboda? eridani May 2014 #15

NYT's One-Sided Ukraine Narrative eridani May 2014 #16

Yanukovych was not kidnapped, killed, arrested, or forcibly removed. He left on his own accord. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #21

And none of this had anything to do with the Svoboda stormtroopers, right? n/t eridani May 2014 #83

The "Svoboda stormtroopers", whoever they were, did not force Yankovych to leave. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #84

Yanukovich still had complete control of his military and security forces, including the Berkut and pampango May 2014 #86

So, in your opinion, all popular revolutions are coups? geek tragedy May 2014 #29

Yeah. He only broke Iran-Contra. Octafish May 2014 #10

And Cuba Gooding Jr. once won an Oscar. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #12

Saying he's a hack is slander. Putting it in print is libel. Octafish May 2014 #17

My position that he's a "hack" is my own statement of opinion based on facts I've gathered. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #19

Who's being reckless? Octafish May 2014 #20

Parry "found" jack shit. I doubt he's been in Ukraine over the past year, if at all. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #23

Bullshit. Octafish May 2014 #27

So if it's bullshit, do you have the evidence to bolster Parry's claims that I challenged? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #42

For starters, you attribute to Parry what RT wrote. Octafish May 2014 #64

Are you daft? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #71

No, I quoted what you wrote. And I stand by what I wrote. Octafish May 2014 #72

Crimea was shuffled around by the Soviets from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #75

Oh give us a break. NuclearDem May 2014 #30

Did I call you a shill? Octafish May 2014 #34

And there you go again. NuclearDem May 2014 #36

You say that a lot, but you never answer the question. Octafish May 2014 #65

Other than when I did. NuclearDem May 2014 #69

No, I asked if you were a shill. Octafish May 2014 #70

Other than the countless times that I've mentioned I'm an unemployed student. NuclearDem May 2014 #80

News to me. Octafish May 2014 #82

I agree. Blaming the US for the Russian invasion is laughable and unsupportable. stevenleser May 2014 #18

It's sad thought that people insist we must defer to his opinion... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #25

Normally I don't take offense on DU... Octafish May 2014 #31

Well, I was on my high school newspaper and all.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #47

Parry is one of the most respected US Journalists. And Nuland, we all know HER 'ties' btw, did way sabrina 1 May 2014 #46

Robert Parry of 2014 runs a two-bit website. His columns on Ukraine are rehashed RT stories.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #48

There was a coup in Ukraine, Parry is hardly the only one who recognizes that. Are you sabrina 1 May 2014 #53

Yes, I am arguing that there was not a coup. "Coup" has a specific meaning.... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #55

Definitely fits all the definitions of a coup. Complete with the tapes of the plotters several sabrina 1 May 2014 #57

So in your belief, Victoria Nuland plotted the "coup"? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #59

I've taken to plugging in "military-industrial complex" everywhere I see "Neocon" starroute May 2014 #6

+1. I've been watching them all of my life. bemildred May 2014 #7

''Money trumps peace.'' -- George W Bush, press conference, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish May 2014 #11

+100000000 Neocons, neolibs. Same monster no matter the party. woo me with science May 2014 #13

Agreed. Neocon Putin sent his head of the MIC to Syria to accept thanks from Assad pampango May 2014 #77

Ah, to remember the days when this type of bullshit was banned in GD snooper2 May 2014 #22

But Robert Parry was an investigative reporter in the 1980s!!!!!!! Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #24

Ad hominem is so you, Tommy_Carcetti. Octafish May 2014 #32

Well, it's hard these days Union Scribe May 2014 #35

Thanks, Union Scribe. Octafish May 2014 #41

True, and I dare say Union Scribe May 2014 #50

It's not really ad hominem. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #45

The day that Robert Parry is banned from this site, will be the day it has to declare itself sabrina 1 May 2014 #51

Sabrina: A simple question for you. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #52

The same way many leaders are forced out of office in coup d'etats. sabrina 1 May 2014 #54

Something you might not know about the timeline of events in February 2014. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #58

He also stated he was not leaving his post in a televised address *before* the controversial vote newthinking May 2014 #61

Why did he leave then? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #62

The coup timeline goes way further back than Feb. Yanukovych had no chance of being left in power, sabrina 1 May 2014 #66

Coups involve an actual scheme and execution. You've shown none of that. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #74

'Some figures' in the West, included those that were exposed publicly, members of the State Dept. sabrina 1 May 2014 #81

Victoria Nuland's got what Ukrainians crave! She's got coup cookies! Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #85

Parry has always hated fascists Oilwellian May 2014 #26

Parry is a puppet of Putin, routinely reprints whatever geek tragedy May 2014 #28

So, those who post against him lick Bush's boots. Octafish May 2014 #33

You're like a parody of yourself at this point. nt Union Scribe May 2014 #37

No, Parry has been carrying water for Putin geek tragedy May 2014 #38

Parry is reporting what he found. Octafish May 2014 #40

What did he find? Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #44

What Ray McGovern wrote, published on Parry's ConsortiumNews.com. Octafish May 2014 #68

Simply repeating the word "coup" over and over again does not mean there was actually a coup. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #73

Does Parry get paid for this? joeybee12 May 2014 #39

Judy Miller? Is that you? Octafish May 2014 #43

he gets access to Russian government officials. geek tragedy May 2014 #49

+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2014 #56

There was a great Non-Sequitur cartoon a few years back..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #78

+1 broiles May 2014 #60

Getting involved in other peoples civil wars have been ever so successful before. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2014 #63

To hear Parry talk about it, you'd think this is all our fault Blue_Tires May 2014 #67

Parry doesn't bother to mention things that don't fit his narrative. Tommy_Carcetti May 2014 #76

or treated Ukrainians as sentient human beings who have goals and hopes geek tragedy May 2014 #79