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In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: The State Department's Ukraine Fiasco [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)72. No, I quoted what you wrote. And I stand by what I wrote.
From another one of my sources:
USSR ceded Crimea to SR Ukraine.
Now that Ukraine wants to go with Europe rather than Russia, Russia took it back.
Making it all legal like was the referendum.
A real brain explained:
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn: Ukraine and The New Russia
I recalled correctly from my Russian studies a half century ago that Soviet leaders had stuck Russian territories into Ukraine, but I mistakenly attributed all of the transfers to Khrushchev. (Paul Craig Roberts)
An Interview With Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, by Paul Klebnikov, in the May 9, 1994, issue of Forbes magazine
(Klebnikov) With Russia in chaos, it does sound a bit far-fetched to see her as an aggressor.
(Solzhenitsyn) Russia today is terribly sick. Her people are sick to the point of total exhaustion. But even so, have a conscience and dont demand thatjust to please AmericaRussia throw away the last vestiges of her concern for her security and her unprecedented collapse. After all, this concern in no way threatens the United States.
Former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski disagrees. He argues that the U.S. must defend the independence of Ukraine.
In 1919, when he imposed his regime on Ukraine, Lenin gave her several Russian provinces to assuage her feelings. These provinces have never historically belonged to Ukraine. I am talking about the eastern and southern territories of todays Ukraine.
Then, in 1954, Khrushchev, with the arbitrary capriciousness of a satrap, made a gift of the Crimea to Ukraine. But even he did not manage to make Ukraine a gift of Sevastopol, which remained a separate city under the jurisdiction of the U.S.S.R. central government. This was accomplished by the American State Department, first verbally through Ambassador Popadiuk in Kiev and later in a more official manner.
Why does the State Department decide who should get Sevastopol? If one recalls the tactless declaration of President Bush about supporting Ukrainian sovereignty even before the referendum on that matter, one must conclude that all this stems from a common aim: to use all means possible, no matter what the consequences, to weaken Russia.
Why does independence for Ukraine weaken Russia?
As a result of the sudden and crude fragmentation of the intermingled Slavic peoples, the borders have torn apart millions of ties of family and friendship. Is this acceptable? The recent elections in Ukraine, for instance, clearly show the [Russian] sympathies of the Crimean and Donets populations. And a democracy must respect this.
I myself am nearly half Ukrainian. I grew up with the sounds of Ukrainian speech. I love her culture and genuinely wish all kinds of success for Ukrainebut only within her real ethnic boundaries, without grabbing Russian provinces.
SOURCE: http://www.globalresearch.ca/aleksandr-solzhenitsyn-ukraine-and-the-new-russia/5373508
So, Parry and Solzhenitsyn makes it 2-0 versus you and ad hominem.
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I'm in total disbelief that Parry was once considered a respectable investigative journalist.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#5
Yanukovych was not kidnapped, killed, arrested, or forcibly removed. He left on his own accord.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#21
The "Svoboda stormtroopers", whoever they were, did not force Yankovych to leave.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#84
Yanukovich still had complete control of his military and security forces, including the Berkut and
pampango
May 2014
#86
My position that he's a "hack" is my own statement of opinion based on facts I've gathered.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#19
Parry "found" jack shit. I doubt he's been in Ukraine over the past year, if at all.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#23
So if it's bullshit, do you have the evidence to bolster Parry's claims that I challenged?
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#42
Crimea was shuffled around by the Soviets from the Russian SSR to the Ukrainian SSR.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#75
Other than the countless times that I've mentioned I'm an unemployed student.
NuclearDem
May 2014
#80
I agree. Blaming the US for the Russian invasion is laughable and unsupportable.
stevenleser
May 2014
#18
Parry is one of the most respected US Journalists. And Nuland, we all know HER 'ties' btw, did way
sabrina 1
May 2014
#46
Robert Parry of 2014 runs a two-bit website. His columns on Ukraine are rehashed RT stories....
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#48
There was a coup in Ukraine, Parry is hardly the only one who recognizes that. Are you
sabrina 1
May 2014
#53
Yes, I am arguing that there was not a coup. "Coup" has a specific meaning....
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#55
Definitely fits all the definitions of a coup. Complete with the tapes of the plotters several
sabrina 1
May 2014
#57
I've taken to plugging in "military-industrial complex" everywhere I see "Neocon"
starroute
May 2014
#6
Agreed. Neocon Putin sent his head of the MIC to Syria to accept thanks from Assad
pampango
May 2014
#77
The day that Robert Parry is banned from this site, will be the day it has to declare itself
sabrina 1
May 2014
#51
Something you might not know about the timeline of events in February 2014.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#58
He also stated he was not leaving his post in a televised address *before* the controversial vote
newthinking
May 2014
#61
The coup timeline goes way further back than Feb. Yanukovych had no chance of being left in power,
sabrina 1
May 2014
#66
Coups involve an actual scheme and execution. You've shown none of that.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#74
'Some figures' in the West, included those that were exposed publicly, members of the State Dept.
sabrina 1
May 2014
#81
Simply repeating the word "coup" over and over again does not mean there was actually a coup.
Tommy_Carcetti
May 2014
#73
Getting involved in other peoples civil wars have been ever so successful before.
Tierra_y_Libertad
May 2014
#63