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Violet_Crumble

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414. Yr wrong. Plus those transphobes weren't 'supposed terfs'

Thu May 29, 2014, 04:10 AM

May 2014

I didn't jump to the defence of anyone. There was a guilt by association tactic being used, and I pointed out that guilt by association can be applied to HoF, as well as the Men's Group. And it was applied very heavily to HoF back when I was a host, and I copped a lot of guilt by association type accusations at the time, so I know how it feels.

Here. As yr still confused about what I said and what I meant, here's my initial reply that covers it all. Go back. Read it till it starts to sink in, because I don't think it's that complicated or anything. If yr still confused, feel free to ask questions and we'll work together to try to clear up any confusion on yr part. You may find that's far more constructive than sitting there telling me I meant something I didn't...

A TERF is someone who's transphobic...

And there were a few of them who've been returning since then and being nuked for their persistence. Not to mention Iverglas, who's nuking message covered it all. So, smearing one group because of bigots who've been welcomed there is fraught with danger if yr not prepared to be just as critical of another group for the same thing with other bigots. My stance has always been that the whole guilt by association thing is lame, no matter if it's aimed at HoF or the Men's Group. btw, there's no MRA group at DU. Apart from being a former host and co-founder of HoF, I've posted every now and then in the Men's group, and know a few really nice blokes who post in there. There's stuff I don't like, but there's also stuff I don't like posted in other groups and forums at DU, so I think that MRA line was really lame...

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Misogyny should not be tolerated on DU [View all] YoungDemCA May 2014 OP

Everytime i see misandry i start laughing. bravenak May 2014 #1

Seems to be quite the joke on DU Major Nikon May 2014 #60

I was like 8 when the Bobbit thing happened. bravenak May 2014 #71

How old were you last March? Major Nikon May 2014 #74

So something from last march has you riled up during this particular tragedy. bravenak May 2014 #85

Actually I could give a day old dog shit about what happened last March Major Nikon May 2014 #87

I asked you to mind your business and lecture someone else. bravenak May 2014 #92

Discuss whatever you want Major Nikon May 2014 #94

Blah blah blah, misandry, blah blah. bravenak May 2014 #95

Brilliant! Major Nikon May 2014 #98

Is that you? You are cute! bravenak May 2014 #99

Wow! A clever repackaging of the old worn out, "I'm rubber, you're glue" line Major Nikon May 2014 #111

Wahh!! Misandry!! Blah, blah, blah!!! bravenak May 2014 #116

. Major Nikon May 2014 #120

Misandry? randys1 May 2014 #134

Slavery. bravenak May 2014 #142

They can't so they whine... abakan May 2014 #308

I'm am posting in adoration. Starry Messenger May 2014 #141

Thank you. bravenak May 2014 #151

Are those your babies? randys1 May 2014 #159

Yeah, a few years ago, i need to put a new one but they never stay still. bravenak May 2014 #163

He's playing ismnotwasm May 2014 #280

... opiate69 May 2014 #310

No offense to dudes but those are hilarious mackerel May 2014 #401

Yeah i think so too. bravenak May 2014 #412

One of the best damn posts ever!!! theHandpuppet May 2014 #466

Last one i swear. bravenak May 2014 #502

Can you please provide links to jury results Ms. Toad May 2014 #162

I'm not sure how one would even do that Major Nikon May 2014 #267

You better watch it, sulphurdunn May 2014 #320

It's kinda like Churchill said... Major Nikon May 2014 #326

you didn't answer the question. why didn't you speak out against the post she's referring to? CreekDog May 2014 #270

Because I never saw it Major Nikon May 2014 #271

you didn't see it because you don't post in favor of women's rights CreekDog May 2014 #272

So you ask a question, completely ignore the answer, and then answer it for me Major Nikon May 2014 #291

It is hurtful to belittle someone else. Che1969 May 2014 #388

Pot, liberalhistorian May 2014 #405

Did you? pintobean May 2014 #396

Great response BrainMann1 May 2014 #316

Grear response BrainMann1 May 2014 #317

Is it possible to fight against all forms of discrimination at once? joeglow3 May 2014 #184

Because the thread is about misogyny. bravenak May 2014 #199

The position, as laid out above, was clearly not in relation to this thread only joeglow3 May 2014 #274

That's cool man. bravenak May 2014 #367

Well, I can walk and chew gum at the same time joeglow3 May 2014 #387

But the thread is about misogyny. bravenak May 2014 #389

Conversations flow and can cover multiples topics joeglow3 May 2014 #392

Is that a real question? bravenak May 2014 #393

Bullshit joeglow3 May 2014 #398

It is because some whining man always tries to scream misandry! bravenak May 2014 #399

Thanks for finally being honest joeglow3 May 2014 #402

Oh, no, I think you've just shown liberalhistorian May 2014 #408

Go back and re-read what I said joeglow3 May 2014 #452

Oh, I'm perfectly capable of reading. liberalhistorian May 2014 #474

Apparently you need to brush up on your reading joeglow3 May 2014 #475

I am brave enough to rarely lie. bravenak May 2014 #411

Good to know you only care about oppression that affects you joeglow3 May 2014 #456

There is no systematic oppression of males by females in our society. bravenak May 2014 #460

I would not have addressed but for its inclusion in the OP joeglow3 May 2014 #467

And too many posters like you simply liberalhistorian May 2014 #406

Good Lord, do you not realize just liberalhistorian May 2014 #403

WHY is it that, whenever there's a thread liberalhistorian May 2014 #404

Show me those threads and I will talk about fighting ALL oppression joeglow3 May 2014 #453

so, we focus on the women and womens issues, we just do not use the word woman, we use people, so seabeyond May 2014 #462

I was just commenting on the OP joeglow3 May 2014 #472

i commented off your words, was looking for your meaning. seabeyond May 2014 #491

Or the New Black Panther Party. eom. 1StrongBlackMan May 2014 #301

Yeah. bravenak May 2014 #368

Wait wait... abakan May 2014 #309

You mean Joe? bravenak May 2014 #370

THIS --> "You should start a foundation. Men against women laughing at men. You'll make money." bettyellen May 2014 #200

Lots of money in that. bravenak May 2014 #201

I remember when men outed themselves as rapists here and were allowed to stay roguevalley May 2014 #313

That's disgusting. bravenak May 2014 #364

There are also men here who call liberalhistorian May 2014 #409

oh lord I missed those. Given that my nephew's wife is roguevalley May 2014 #413

And then there are all of those baseless comments Art_from_Ark May 2014 #81

Do you have a link to the suggestion that all males be castrated at puberty? nt el_bryanto May 2014 #89

. Major Nikon May 2014 #102

Thank you - that's pretty obscure and it would have taken me a long time to find it on my own el_bryanto May 2014 #104

I'm pretty sure it is a minority view Major Nikon May 2014 #119

Possibly because males have much more power to impose their hang ups than females? el_bryanto May 2014 #122

Possibly Major Nikon May 2014 #148

"I don't care if someone is drunk in a bar..." thucythucy May 2014 #321

It was obviously sarcastic gollygee May 2014 #149

Yes, I've heard that one before Major Nikon May 2014 #155

and maybe it is not meant to be funny. you know. ha ha. maybe it is meant for people to think seabeyond May 2014 #161

Do you think sarcastic = necessarily funny gollygee May 2014 #168

Thank you Captain Obvious Major Nikon May 2014 #250

You're wrong gollygee May 2014 #251

You appear to be not so masterfully dodging the issue, so here it is again Major Nikon May 2014 #252

You are creating a false comparison gollygee May 2014 #254

You are still dodging the question Major Nikon May 2014 #273

It would probably depend on how it was done gollygee May 2014 #275

I'm pretty sure if it were done like the post in question it would get the expected response Major Nikon May 2014 #293

But it's not sarcastic the other way... Dems2002 May 2014 #188

There's lots of male genital mutilation going on right here! AAO May 2014 #341

That's why I refused to have liberalhistorian May 2014 #410

I've got a good Circ story AAO May 2014 #444

The only argument I usually hear is cleanliness. AAO May 2014 #445

So would "sarcastic" misogyny be equally tolerable? n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #257

well in response to genuine misandry I guess it could be: time to trot out Valerie Solanas again! bettyellen May 2014 #285

She said two lines down *in the same post* that it wasn't her point of view. nt redqueen May 2014 #185

There you go interjecting facts again. MadrasT May 2014 #242

Of course it is obscure to a community dedicated to and invested in ignoring it. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #256

Was it alerted on? Ms. Toad May 2014 #166

it's not that misandry is nonexistent, it's that it's a fake issue paulkienitz May 2014 #269

Exactly. bravenak May 2014 #365

You are certainly not alone in that. TDale313 May 2014 #2

Misogyny is already not allowed davidn3600 May 2014 #3

I smell another witch hunt brewing. zeemike May 2014 #8

You might be right, sadly. nt AverageJoe90 May 2014 #32

you're right because "they" love to obfuscate the issues hopemountain May 2014 #36

So Othering is great psiman May 2014 #43

I considered myself a feminist at one time here. polly7 May 2014 #203

humanist ~ i like this better, too hopemountain May 2014 #489

I'm sorry, does your discomfort require that we change the subject? Hekate May 2014 #42

O rly? How about this for misogyny: geek tragedy May 2014 #12

"radical feminist friends" Skittles May 2014 #16

I said it in reference to a story that was posted davidn3600 May 2014 #19

How many regulars in the MRA group have geek tragedy May 2014 #27

How many regulars in the 2nd feminist group have been banned for being TERFs? Major Nikon May 2014 #31

4thlaw was quite the champion for you guys. geek tragedy May 2014 #40

I just wanted to know how the guilt by association fallacy thing works Major Nikon May 2014 #44

I have no idea what a terf is, and I didn't cite anyone geek tragedy May 2014 #78

A TERF is someone who's transphobic... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #82

When's the last time anyone in a DU feminist group geek tragedy May 2014 #90

About two years ago when Feldspar and Iverglas were there. Why? Is there some time limit you apply? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #93

Transphobia is bigotry, we do not disagree. geek tragedy May 2014 #165

I enjoyed the hot celebrities thread... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #169

Do you think you should pay more for geek tragedy May 2014 #177

No to all of those n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #180

I agree with you. nt geek tragedy May 2014 #181

And on that note of agreement, I might head off for the night... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #186

Good morning where I am. geek tragedy May 2014 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #331

Republicans have a libertarian wing. geek tragedy May 2014 #332

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #342

If you had read more carefully, I noted that the folks in a certain geek tragedy May 2014 #344

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #346

you go thru your huge sighs... when we discuss issue. why? you say. WHY??? must we talk seabeyond May 2014 #333

Huh? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #343

The only bit I got was 'you and yours work very very hard at censoring.' Violet_Crumble May 2014 #416

See, those trolls banned from Men's Group were just speaking for themselves kcr May 2014 #144

Does that mean that "smearing" right wingers is fraught with danger, by that same logic? kcr May 2014 #107

I'm not sure what logic yr using. The Men's Group aren't right wingers... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #115

I'm using the same logic you are kcr May 2014 #124

No, yr not... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #128

I'm doing no such thing kcr May 2014 #135

Huh? I was right there where the transphobia was happening... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #138

Look at my start date. So was I. kcr May 2014 #139

What baseless accusations? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #145

The claim about the presence of terfs in HOF and DU feminists kcr May 2014 #147

That's not baseless. They definitely were there... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #153

Baseless. kcr May 2014 #156

How can it be baseless when there were transphobic trolls there? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #167

Because there weren't transphobic trolls there kcr May 2014 #170

Uh, Feldspar definitely was transphobic... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #171

Oh, three? Well, then, never mind. kcr May 2014 #173

What? n/t Violet_Crumble May 2014 #174

Huh? kcr May 2014 #176

I'm pretty positive you don't know what my case is... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #182

I'm sorry, but it appeard to me that when you jumped to the defense of someone who was kcr May 2014 #211

Don't sweat it..... boston bean May 2014 #295

I notice you didn't provide a link with yr creative interpretation of what happened... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #415

No nothing else, except thanks for proving my point. boston bean May 2014 #420

You had a point in all that? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #421

No, my own points. nt boston bean May 2014 #422

Three people were wrong on the internet 2 years ago... PassingFair May 2014 #325

Yr wrong. Plus those transphobes weren't 'supposed terfs' Violet_Crumble May 2014 #414

How exactly do you give someone a "warm welcome" that never even crosses your threshold? Major Nikon May 2014 #86

It's funny when you go back and look at the "favorite group".... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #372

Thank you. nt redqueen May 2014 #191

The MRA group? pintobean May 2014 #46

Tell us what % of the posts there are dedicated to: geek tragedy May 2014 #77

You tell us pintobean May 2014 #103

those are actual issues. i do not think i have ever heard pb discuss actual issues. seabeyond May 2014 #108

pinto and pintobean are different DUers. n/t winter is coming May 2014 #121

i shorten everyones name winter. thanks for expressing the need for clarification. i will change seabeyond May 2014 #126

Then you don't pay much attention. pintobean May 2014 #175

LOL, that's all you do! boston bean May 2014 #178

Listen to you pintobean May 2014 #193

You were blocked, not banned. nt boston bean May 2014 #195

lol lol lol. omg. truly. the only posts i have read of yours is discussions of duers. that is it seabeyond May 2014 #179

Bullshit sea pintobean May 2014 #189

you cant "bullshit sea" on this. literally, i have only read posts of yours seabeyond May 2014 #197

So says the king of meta who never ventures geek tragedy May 2014 #223

It's unmistakable. redqueen May 2014 #192

Throw a rock in the air . . . nt geek tragedy May 2014 #198

Yep. I keep seeing the 'only a few' line, but they have their little coterie redqueen May 2014 #207

ya. well. the efforts or whatever to get you kicked off, is not yours alone. for sure. lol. nt seabeyond May 2014 #206

Of course not, but the effort to get me kicked off simply for pointing out that fact redqueen May 2014 #208

yes. sure. there have been so many obvious. but... it also makes it interesting if seabeyond May 2014 #217

comtec, the guy who originally proposed that group, was banned here twice Starry Messenger May 2014 #212

so much. so much to remember. and thank you for reminding me. redq and i were probably seabeyond May 2014 #218

When issues were raised that were genuine, like male parenting Starry Messenger May 2014 #222

i do not think it was a matter of overestimating. i think it may be a learning curve seabeyond May 2014 #225

I know nothing about the events you describe. Laelth May 2014 #322

It is what it is. n/t JTFrog May 2014 #196

You should stop your slanders. DU doesn't have an "MRA group." Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #258

how are their opposition to pay equity measures, conspiracy theories about domestic geek tragedy May 2014 #268

There is no fucking MRA group here. polly7 May 2014 #263

Of course there is Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #417

No, there's not. Violet_Crumble May 2014 #423

Sorry, but... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #424

Why did you just ignore every question I asked you? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #425

Oh, no, rational people such as yourself boston bean May 2014 #428

Huh? Yr not making any sense at all now... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #433

Again denying that you make any broad brush generalizations. boston bean May 2014 #435

Yes, yr imagining that I said that... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #441

We discussed this in the other thread. I made it clear to you I was responding boston bean May 2014 #443

I did NOT say many at all. I'm not giving you the benefit of the doubt any more... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #449

Oh, but this not many are enough of a road block boston bean May 2014 #451

Yes, they are... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #454

Well, then, if you take your own advice boston bean May 2014 #457

No. You...don't....get....it.... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #458

Oh, ok, so when you see someone calling out HoF we can expect these boston bean May 2014 #463

I've said exactly the same thing about people broadbrushing HoF... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #464

So, if we keep it on a more personal DUER level versus boston bean May 2014 #465

Are you replying to the wrong post? That's got nothing to do with the post you replied to... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #468

Except I didn't say "hate group". Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #429

But MRA's *are* hate groups... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #434

Would you prefer if I'd said... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #436

Or even better. There are some DUers who use MRA talking points... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #439

Except... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #440

Since we agree MRA's are hate groups, and someone is using the same arguments boston bean May 2014 #437

Yeah, feminists tried a truce with them, that proves what in your mind? boston bean May 2014 #427

My understanding was it was a three-way truce... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #430

What is going on Violet? boston bean May 2014 #432

What's going on is you seem to be following me round this thread yelling at me... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #438

I presume you think I'm not one of those people you could have a discussion with. Ok. boston bean May 2014 #442

You presumed correctly in this one instance... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #446

The fact is the arguments are identical to those groups BainsBane May 2014 #448

No, I haven't bee to that reddit site... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #450

Well, it would seem to me BainsBane May 2014 #455

But I *do* understand what you said about misandry and MRA critters... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #459

very well stated. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #470

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 May 2014 #469

You should start an OP, Titled I like to Grave Dance bahrbearian May 2014 #338

Or maybe it should be called: "These women hating trolls should never have been on a liberal site, Squinch May 2014 #378

Thanks for sharing Dems2002 May 2014 #26

the definition has changed so much that how people answer the question is meaningless. Demit May 2014 #194

thank you for bringing this up. and let me say. i did not call me a feminist until about a year ago seabeyond May 2014 #215

I turned 18 in 1970, so was growing up in what they call the second wave of feminism. Demit May 2014 #236

and i was right in that time end of 70s, beginning of 80s when i had the most freedom ever, with the seabeyond May 2014 #240

do you meaned banned by mirt or drive by trolls are on mirt? uppityperson May 2014 #239

Agreed and appalled Dems2002 May 2014 #4

Great post. TDale313 May 2014 #6

Ditto to the change making me more vocal Dems2002 May 2014 #9

It's why I decided to stop lurking and start posting betsuni May 2014 #18

I appreciate all three of you in this subthread, and the OP writer very much. Thanks for being here. freshwest May 2014 #23

Yes, to the jury system. Whisp May 2014 #24

You should post more often, Dems2002. SunSeeker May 2014 #7

Thanks for the encouragement Dems2002 May 2014 #11

juries was the change steve2470 May 2014 #21

no moderators, no rules, this is what you get. the minorities will always be at a disadvantage. and seabeyond May 2014 #25

Great post A Little Weird May 2014 #131

my son and i were having that very conversation just yesterday. that the misogyny on du surpasses... seabeyond May 2014 #172

POST MORE! Squinch May 2014 #380

Countless posts on the same topic, like a dead horse beaten and dragged, reanimated, beaten again Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #5

Then stop whining about things that don't really exist - like "misandry." nomorenomore08 May 2014 #14

It's called "Trash Thread." Maedhros May 2014 #30

+1 Jamaal510 May 2014 #38

Ouch A's Fan? HangOnKids May 2014 #265

Was that a threat? Seemed like one. n/t Darkhawk32 May 2014 #339

If there was any lecturing it was from the OP..nt Jesus Malverde May 2014 #62

I'm glad we're having this discussion on the Internet. Maedhros May 2014 #260

Right. Cause stating that misogyny shouldn't be tolerated is such a controversial thing here. Squinch May 2014 #381

Oh I'm sorry, does this topic make you uncomfortable? I'll change the subject then.... Hekate May 2014 #39

. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #63

^^^^This^^^^ Jesus Malverde May 2014 #61

the same can be said about those of you that jump into womens issue threads for a little snark seabeyond May 2014 #118

Thats the guy that told me that i should be happy thats racism is almost over or something. bravenak May 2014 #125

wowser. seabeyond May 2014 #129

I noticed the difference. bravenak May 2014 #133

. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #137

You want i should repost that nasy business? bravenak May 2014 #140

. Jesus Malverde May 2014 #152

You just can't quit me can you? bravenak May 2014 #157

And yet YOU seem to feel the need to discuss it in a great number of posts. Go figure. Squinch May 2014 #382

Ignoring a problem would help how? uppityperson May 2014 #241

What problems get solved here? Puzzledtraveller May 2014 #366

So should the anti Iraq war posts have been banned because they didn't solve the Iraq war? Squinch May 2014 #383

i have had seabeyond May 2014 #384

There's a substantial minority of MRA cranks here. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #10

You are not alone Hekate May 2014 #13

Uncomfortable??? What the heck are you talking about? AllTooEasy May 2014 #47

What happened these past days? I live where all those youngsters were slaughtered. Hekate May 2014 #51

The original poster talked about misogyny on DU AllTooEasy May 2014 #59

No one should be made to feel unwelcome because of who they are. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #15

Agreed, should be no argument about this imho nt steve2470 May 2014 #17

Fuck yes, "I am tired of seeing the most odious, right-wing talking points re: women and feminism.. bettyellen May 2014 #20

THANK YOU. The Democratic Platform is clear, sane and many of us expect to see it supported at DU. freshwest May 2014 #22

The best framework for gender unity I've seen on DU. Thank you. We need to know the enemy, and it's ancianita May 2014 #209

Rec! Nt. Lunacee_2013 May 2014 #28

First put down that cup of fresh roasted coffee... 951-Riverside May 2014 #29

Helpful hint: It's not their maleness that makes them part of a socially disenfranchised class. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #33

Helpful hint: Take a long walk outside of suburbia. 951-Riverside May 2014 #35

I never said they weren't. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #37

"that has nothing to do with their masculinity" Major Nikon May 2014 #52

Paternalistic sexism benefits women in some instances, quelle surprise. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #53

Which is just another term for sexism against men Major Nikon May 2014 #56

No, it really isn't. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #58

Fair enough. Then if sexism that benefits women isn't really sexism against men Major Nikon May 2014 #64

Except I didn't say that. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #65

Actually you did Major Nikon May 2014 #68

It isn't sexism against men because it's based on paternalistic assumptions about women. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #69

For all your rhetoric you have yet to explain how this matters to the black male Major Nikon May 2014 #72

You know what? I'm just going to put you on ignore. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #73

Do you remember how many weeks we tried to explain the harm of benevolent sexism? redqueen May 2014 #204

all three that snark most, and created such a battle at that time, has since used seabeyond May 2014 #220

I call it being "deliberately obtuse". It is another p/a tactic. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #262

Please don't throw me in that briar patch! Major Nikon May 2014 #314

At least you might try to relate that to the post being shown as a fraud intaglio May 2014 #91

Your words are almost making complete sentences Major Nikon May 2014 #96

Spider called out a fraud that attempted to show slavery was a sign of misandre intaglio May 2014 #101

Ummm, nope Major Nikon May 2014 #109

racism gets discounted in importance by the same six guys who discount the relevance of sexism here bettyellen May 2014 #283

are you serious?! first of all: it's inner city noiretextatique May 2014 #45

+1 nomorenomore08 May 2014 #49

They were disenfranchised because they weren't white. Not because they were male. n/t nomorenomore08 May 2014 #50

this Hispanic man DonCoquixote May 2014 #76

So now you want to talk about Slavery which Kalidurga May 2014 #34

His discomfort and denial require that we change the subject to spare his feelings.... Hekate May 2014 #41

yeah if I had to change the subject every time I said something Kalidurga May 2014 #492

Which was because they were Native, Hispanic, or black. NuclearDem May 2014 #88

Oh, this argument again YoungDemCA May 2014 #243

For example? AllTooEasy May 2014 #48

Here's an example of something we evidently can't complaint about Major Nikon May 2014 #54

Thanks, but I was requesting a DU misogyny example AllTooEasy May 2014 #55

Yes, it's a figment of your imagination. Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #57

"same collective power" does not mean what you think it means Major Nikon May 2014 #66

79 female representatives out of 435, 20 female senators out of 100... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #67

"collective power" is exercised by the right to vote Major Nikon May 2014 #70

yeah he has a point DonCoquixote May 2014 #79

wow. don. and they aer right. i am exhausted. all of us are. i know too many on du are. and still seabeyond May 2014 #114

L. Ron Hubbard was a scourge. He's still killing people by proxy. chrisa May 2014 #146

Exactly! JTFrog May 2014 #205

Wow, excellent post. redqueen May 2014 #210

The "Gish Gallop" but used against feminists. Starry Messenger May 2014 #227

Sorry, but you don't get your own set of facts Major Nikon May 2014 #318

now to destroy this prop DonCoquixote May 2014 #349

You most certainly did burn down that strawman Major Nikon May 2014 #355

now for this DonCoquixote May 2014 #360

I'm really just not that amused by those who can only argue by analogy Major Nikon May 2014 #374

wow, a whopping 80 cents on the dollar DonCoquixote May 2014 #480

i'll have to rec it. barbtries May 2014 #75

As usual, I prefer more speech over less speech. Laelth May 2014 #80

Should we tolerate a little racism, too? nt redqueen May 2014 #216

If it fosters useful and constructive dialogue, then, yes. Laelth May 2014 #281

male speech. you are for more male speech, or males right to speech. this is an interesting seabeyond May 2014 #221

It remains quite depressing ... Laelth May 2014 #279

on the contrary. you and i disagree just that much. but, no. you like challenging thought? seabeyond May 2014 #284

Thank you. Laelth May 2014 #288

?? trekbiker May 2014 #323

If anyone has the jury results for this post I would love to see them. nt redqueen May 2014 #226

I am shocked that my post, above, was alerted upon. Laelth May 2014 #277

There is only one way to stop it. boston bean May 2014 #83

Misogyny should not be tolerated, but misandry should be allowed? baldguy May 2014 #84

What's misandry? betsuni May 2014 #100

Misandry is hatred for men and/or boys... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #105

I'm sure the poster understands the definition of the word. baldguy May 2014 #112

I figured I'd play the straight guy to a lame attempt at a joke... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #117

'Kay another joke betsuni May 2014 #132

I don't sense any improvement between attempt 1 and 2... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #143

Well then betsuni May 2014 #154

It's like when girls don't let men be the boss. bravenak May 2014 #130

omg... i am so stealin'. i LOVE. h a ha. lol. nt seabeyond May 2014 #136

Good one randys1 May 2014 #330

Generally, "misandry" refers to the hatred and oppression of men on a genotypic basis. redqueen May 2014 #214

but tv shows can just call women liars as if we all accept that. chuckle chuckle. no bashing there seabeyond May 2014 #230

No, you are definitely not alone. demmiblue May 2014 #97

+1 LiberalLoner May 2014 #113

Agreed! Thank you for saying it! City Lights May 2014 #106

I like this idea CFLDem May 2014 #110

It's hard to see men putting their heads in the sand scruboak May 2014 #123

"Misandry" is a dopey dog-whistle. chrisa May 2014 #127

While the term is a real one, I agree it's not a systematic form of bigotry... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #150

Trust me, the rest wasn't a rose garden either. chrisa May 2014 #160

I trust you on that... Violet_Crumble May 2014 #164

just like "reverse racism" noiretextatique May 2014 #261

Ahhh, you haven't been to a typical family court then, have you? LMAO. ;) n/t Darkhawk32 May 2014 #336

i have. a number of times. point? nt seabeyond May 2014 #345

Nothing that I could having a reasonable discussion with you about. Darkhawk32 May 2014 #348

mmmmmm. lol. i hear ya. seabeyond May 2014 #350

. Squinch May 2014 #385

it's just one small handful of clowns making it look bad by posting over and over.... dionysus May 2014 #158

Yes, but it also should not be tolerated anywhere lostincalifornia May 2014 #183

Absolutely, misogyny should not be tolerated. polly7 May 2014 #187

Here is the flaw in the theory DonCoquixote May 2014 #351

And here is the flaw in yours. polly7 May 2014 #395

your flaw DonCoquixote May 2014 #477

Don't put words in my mouth. polly7 May 2014 #479

Remember, though, that one outrageous statement against women does not a misogynist make. ancianita May 2014 #202

nu uh. lol seabeyond May 2014 #233

Sorry, I don't get your meaning. I was just making the case for being judicious. ancianita May 2014 #246

lol. seabeyond May 2014 #248

... ancianita May 2014 #249

the best... seabeyond May 2014 #253

Well, I went an looked at a dictionary... rrneck May 2014 #213

Nothing sexist about calling women overly emotional geek tragedy May 2014 #228

well, that is why we cannot, like, you know, feed ourselves or choose our sex partners, ya know. seabeyond May 2014 #235

Are you feeling overly emotional? rrneck May 2014 #264

whoosh nt geek tragedy May 2014 #266

As a sentient being, a thinking, feeling, perceptive member of the Human Race allow me to Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #229

oh my fuggin' goddess you are. lol. seabeyond May 2014 #237

woman, ya got that right! Have a great day, sea Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #244

meh... i will work harder next time, on what works. love this show seabeyond May 2014 #255

'substitute the word human for feminist' Yoo Hoo! Love it! freshwest May 2014 #276

Interesting. rrneck May 2014 #373

Typical reply except it took you all day. Tuesday Afternoon May 2014 #375

I work for a living. rrneck May 2014 #377

... Spider Jerusalem May 2014 #238

.... seabeyond May 2014 #247

I don't think you're off base at all. rrneck May 2014 #376

Somebody looked in the dictionary again. bravenak May 2014 #219

I'm surprised that people aren't being attacked for saying "mansplalning". redqueen May 2014 #224

It will happen soon. bravenak May 2014 #231

This sometimes happens with discussions of homophobia. Starry Messenger May 2014 #232

Straight pride? Are we not proud enough yet? bravenak May 2014 #234

Yep yep. Starry Messenger May 2014 #245

'Misandry is their Benghazi.' I'm gonna remember that one! freshwest May 2014 #278

Sums it up Nicely ismnotwasm May 2014 #282

So if I understand correctly, misogyny should not be tolerated because it is totally hughee99 May 2014 #259

no, read it again maybe? bettyellen May 2014 #286

Which part do I have wrong? hughee99 May 2014 #287

I've read this thread, and seem to have the same understanding as you. Science Crow May 2014 #289

Or perhaps you could get a tutor to help you? bettyellen May 2014 #290

Apparently not. n/t hughee99 May 2014 #292

Posters who are angry about misogyny are not guilty of misandry. Maedhros May 2014 #294

I never suggested otherwise hughee99 May 2014 #296

There is no recourse, as it did not occur. Science Crow May 2014 #297

In the present context, trying to pry into posts discussing misogyny and divert the discussion Maedhros May 2014 #298

I'm not suggesting that I support false charges of misandry, hughee99 May 2014 #299

You make sense, and I agree with you Science Crow May 2014 #300

It's an understandable mistake. Maedhros May 2014 #303

There is no mistake Science Crow May 2014 #306

I think you are being purposefully obtuse if you can't put this OP in the context of the ongoing Maedhros May 2014 #307

I can't Science Crow May 2014 #311

Alas, you can't see the context. Maedhros May 2014 #312

Not only is it tolerated... The MRAs got their own group Ohio Joe May 2014 #302

Women have 5 groups here and men have 1 davidn3600 May 2014 #304

Not counting GD, which seems to be little more than overflow from some of the others Major Nikon May 2014 #305

it's the content... Ohio Joe May 2014 #319

Not agreeing with feminists on every single thing doesn't automatically equal misogyny davidn3600 May 2014 #334

I wish someone would write the history of how the HOF group came to exist. ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #358

there has been a feminist issue you agreed with? Ohio Joe May 2014 #476

Well...let me think.... davidn3600 May 2014 #485

"What I disagree with is some of these radical ideas like "rape culture."" Ohio Joe May 2014 #490

Im not going to sit here and play these circular word games davidn3600 May 2014 #494

Debate? I agree with you... You defined what an MRA is as well as defined yourself as one. Ohio Joe May 2014 #495

Im done talking about it with you anymore.... davidn3600 May 2014 #496

oh... But I'll miss you so much... Ohio Joe May 2014 #497

dont you think that women should pay more in health care? dont you think there is not a pay seabeyond May 2014 #498

Im tired of words getting put in my mouth davidn3600 May 2014 #499

asking a question is the opposite of putting words in your mouth. it is asking a question for seabeyond May 2014 #501

Don't forget oogling celebrities thucythucy May 2014 #337

Yeah, it's the most viewed thread on DU, thanks. Warren DeMontague May 2014 #353

OOOOO!!!! opiate69 May 2014 #357

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #359

Isn't that the singer from The Vinnie Vincent Invasion?? opiate69 May 2014 #362

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #363

To be fair to old Vinnie, I think the band in that picture is actually Nitro. opiate69 May 2014 #369

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #371

Oooh, the "why isn't there a white history month?" argument. Always a winner. nt LeftyMom May 2014 #335

<squawk!> MRA! <squawk!> You are a one-trick pony. And it's not a very good trick. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #354

A-yup. opiate69 May 2014 #361

How does he even have time to PLAY video games? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #391

I guess everybody needs a hobby.... opiate69 May 2014 #394

it seems I spend a lot less then those who oppose equality Ohio Joe May 2014 #478

why do you anarchists hate roads so much, dorothy? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #482

you should visit the "men's" group... you would see its true Ohio Joe May 2014 #483

I know there's a "hot celebrities" thread there, which is like the WORST THING EVAH Warren DeMontague May 2014 #484

This may have been said already passiveporcupine May 2014 #315

Sure, that's it Major Nikon May 2014 #324

You have been reading the same threads I have passiveporcupine May 2014 #328

I'm not sure how one can speak "in defense of all women" without trying to speak for all women Major Nikon May 2014 #340

"There's also quite a bit of fear associated with that." polly7 May 2014 #347

Well said Major Nikon May 2014 #352

Very well stated and thank you for providing us with voices we can all unite behind... cascadiance May 2014 #379

Let's assume you are right. Laelth May 2014 #327

I'm not sure it's our place to fix all the broken people in the world passiveporcupine May 2014 #329

Agreed. It's not our responsibility to fix all the broken people of the world. Laelth May 2014 #418

I agree with you that change causes a fear backlash passiveporcupine May 2014 #487

Good post. Thanks. Laelth May 2014 #488

When women and people of color had NO rights, they were very afraid. What did those who were Squinch May 2014 #386

I agree that it's not our responsibility to do anything about these fears. Laelth May 2014 #419

Sorry, but someone who said being against censorship.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #356

Yeah.... Che1969 May 2014 #390

...unless it is supporting a candidate for national political office and the year is 2008. McCamy Taylor May 2014 #397

neither should vanity threads Doctor_J May 2014 #400

I take into account the context of the posts and OP I am reading. Rex May 2014 #407

Trash Feral Child May 2014 #426

Wait! Not all men.... sofa king May 2014 #431

Just wanted to say... flashbang May 2014 #447

I think you underestimate the scope of this problem. Laelth May 2014 #461

I do? flashbang May 2014 #471

Not sure what to do with your hostile reaction. Laelth May 2014 #473

Probably best if we allow the experts in the HOF group to ban as needed... Demo_Chris May 2014 #481

It's so adorable how a few people here simply cannot resist trying to derail these discussions redqueen May 2014 #486

like chris hayes says, wow the way some men get so worked up over a few women. seabeyond May 2014 #493

Exactly. Rhinodawg May 2014 #500

Once again it feels like gay men get ignored. Hosnon May 2014 #503