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Dragonfli

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23. Some people see everything through a prism of how it will effect people in office.

Sun Jun 22, 2014, 09:50 PM

Jun 2014

Rather than how things effect the constitution and the rights of the citizenry.

They are more concerned with the "feelings" or reputation of elected officials (whom they view as some do sports stars or pop singers) than they are our privacy, our rights, or our well being. It is a shallow extension of pop culture in politics, so to them polls are all that matter.

I and others consider what it means to the country and realize that no matter how bad the truth is, the Constitution is what is important as are the issues that effect the quality of all our lives, we realize that politicians are not so fragile that we must trade our well being to save them embarrassment or protect their legacies, and even if they were so fragile, the legacies of the few do not trump the well being of the majority.

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It's Getting Close Folks... Greenwald, Naming Names.... [View all] WillyT Jun 2014 OP

we seem to get this same news every couple weeks or so JI7 Jun 2014 #1

Yup, trying to milk his golden cow dry itsrobert Jun 2014 #4

How can you "learn" with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut? You seem to want so rhett o rick Jun 2014 #36

Huh, em what?, this stuff was known during the Bush years itsrobert Jun 2014 #40

That's a bunch of crap and you know it. The NSA/CIA grabbed unbelievable power during the Bush rhett o rick Jun 2014 #47

This stuff was suspected in Stupid's presidency Warpy Jun 2014 #64

Exactly, Warpy, exactly. hedda_foil Jun 2014 #92

"Anyone who says this was all known during the Bush years is spinning wildly." greiner3 Jun 2014 #222

Nice! The "old news" defense with a "because we have a black president" finish. hughee99 Jun 2014 #155

Wait a minute. lark Jun 2014 #156

Christ on a trailor hitch LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #159

40 posts before someone played the race card Doctor_J Jun 2014 #211

36 post before someone played you are not a liberal if you dont bow down to GG/Snowden card itsrobert Jun 2014 #235

Post #34 was self hidden, did Cali_Democrat really say to "bow down before GG/Snowden?" Dragonfli Jun 2014 #245

You noticed that too, eh? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #246

I really was just curious because I had never seen such a thing and wanted to see for myself Dragonfli Jun 2014 #248

What we "learned" in the Bush years was vague. Now we have the documents to clarify JDPriestly Jun 2014 #223

was there supposed to be a sarcasm thingy on this? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #226

Being black has nothing to with... Rockyj Jun 2014 #233

Is there a version of Tourette's syndrome zappaman Jun 2014 #101

It sometimes manifests as 'Benghazi!' or 'Bergdahl!' randome Jun 2014 #108

Yes, it does... Whisp Jun 2014 #148

Well...its because it fits LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #125

Right zappaman Jun 2014 #126

WTF? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #128

No kidding Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jun 2014 #46

Yet the house is voting to reduce the power if the NSA! Weird! nt Logical Jun 2014 #70

... not weird, glad Obama started the conversation months before SnowGlens releases uponit7771 Jun 2014 #150

I forget. Was that before or after he signed the NDAA? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #212

It takes time. I can wait. Autumn Jun 2014 #2

Me Too... It's Been One Hell Of A Year... WillyT Jun 2014 #10

Cue the Snowden and Greenwald haters in 3, 2, 1,....... neverforget Jun 2014 #3

Nothing like a good food fight! Fuddnik Jun 2014 #117

They aren't really Snowden/Greenwald haters... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #138

You said: 'When the next Bush is in charge... Whisp Jun 2014 #154

Indeed, it will be amusing to see LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #160

I think I know which one as she was quite opposed to it at one time Dragonfli Jun 2014 #167

Something like this? bvar22 Jun 2014 #232

Don't look for honest brokers Aerows Jun 2014 #254

Awesome! That is too good... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #259

Some of them will. Octafish Jun 2014 #207

I bet the article has the name Jones in it- snooper2 Jun 2014 #5

Why the suspense? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #6

They are good RobertEarl Jun 2014 #8

Funny thing though....if you look at political polling Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #9

And Most Americans Have No Idea What The Constitution Says... You're Point ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #14

Prolonging this is pointless Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #17

Everything should be released immediately? ljm2002 Jun 2014 #88

"Why not just be honest." bobduca Jun 2014 #220

Some people see everything through a prism of how it will effect people in office. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #23

Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #39

Oh, your welcome Dragonfli Jun 2014 #67

Yes, thank you, dragonfli. truth2power Jun 2014 #115

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #127

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #163

Ding! To the BOG, every issue is judged by how it effects the Messiah Doctor_J Jun 2014 #213

Loyalty Derangement Syndrome, nashville_brook Jun 2014 #225

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #42

"Most Americans don't give a shit about the NSA." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #139

Is it just me hueymahl Jun 2014 #197

Welcome to ignore. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #199

Wow, my first ignore hueymahl Jun 2014 #202

Then this shouldn't cause much embarrassment for the president Doctor_J Jun 2014 #219

You mean only those of us who are informed, know a little history and care about our JDPriestly Jun 2014 #231

This idea that ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #16

Zing! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #18

So... I Guess The Pulitzer Award Has Been Reduced To Zero... WillyT Jun 2014 #43

The classic DU-ism ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #69

And There Are Politicians And Journalists On Both Sides Of This Issue... WillyT Jun 2014 #74

I'm on the side of the truth. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #76

But How Does One Get To The Truth When Eveything Is Classified ???- This One Always Bothered Me... WillyT Jun 2014 #78

Some things need to be classified. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #102

The sun needs to come up in morning nolabels Jun 2014 #118

And what legitimate reason is there for collecting mass data on Americans' communications mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #134

I disagree... freebrew Jun 2014 #186

Your skepticism is yours... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #214

Hahaha! Without knowing their contents. Thanks for the laugh! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #215

I'm confounded by your statement that they haven't offered any proof. hedda_foil Jun 2014 #95

This is the crux of the matter ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #104

And Maybe, THAT Is The Biggest Scandal Of All... What Was Once Unthinkable, Has Quietly Been... WillyT Jun 2014 #111

Or the Constitution. woo me with science Jun 2014 #210

If the President does it... nxylas Jun 2014 #239

You Mean To Tell Me That Tricky Dick Was Tellin' The Truth ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #241

Of course not nxylas Jun 2014 #261

No, Nance. You haven't sided with the "truth". bvar22 Jun 2014 #119

boom nt grasswire Jun 2014 #123

Double boom LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #162

Touche. woo me with science Jun 2014 #209

She has nothing to apologize for. n/t QC Jun 2014 #249

The kind of visceral hatred I read from GG haters elias49 Jun 2014 #58

I find it quite bizarre, it goes far beyond what one might expect. /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #62

The fact that you believe ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #75

You're shitting me, right? elias49 Jun 2014 #93

Exactly the response I expected ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #98

15th non response from SnowGlen supporter in 1.5wks... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #147

It makes Obama look bad. NealK Jun 2014 #84

...only to conservatives who think everything started under Bush makes Obama look bad no? tia uponit7771 Jun 2014 #149

No, really? NealK Jun 2014 #191

It's the same reaction you might expect if you told a 6 year old there is no Santa Claus. GoneFishin Jun 2014 #136

Another NSA defender? nt Logical Jun 2014 #71

Yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #99

It gets tiring having to explain that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #120

Yessir... dhill926 Jun 2014 #133

What are you? zappaman Jun 2014 #152

or someone who sees SnowGlen for what they are and doesn't like what the Spy agencies are doing? uponit7771 Jun 2014 #144

Exactly. Historic NY Jun 2014 #72

AMEN AND AMEN!!! uponit7771 Jun 2014 #143

Greenwald never said he has info that would bring the US to its knees. Unbelievable that you put it Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #169

^^^^^^ grasswire Jun 2014 #177

It's a huge twist on what he actually said. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #181

and that poster had the chutzpah to correct someone's.. grasswire Jun 2014 #184

Great post! JDPriestly Jun 2014 #229

It's like previews for the next episode betsuni Jun 2014 #22

I would assume because the information has to be confirmed MaggieD Jun 2014 #63

Cali, you do realize that you're making a conditional statement, don't you?... truth2power Jun 2014 #142

Great Analogy !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #234

Post any interesting toons lately, Willy? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #238

Just For You... WillyT Jun 2014 #240

What do we know about the author of he comic artist? Who does he/she vote for? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #247

I Have... No... Fucking... Clue... Nor Do I Care... WillyT Jun 2014 #251

Thanks! truth2power Jun 2014 #242

Did you read the OP and the article it linked to? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #228

"You have to interview them"? IDemo Jun 2014 #7

It takes a long time to interview everyone in the country. BlueCheese Jun 2014 #25

this is going to be a disaster for obama Takket Jun 2014 #11

Well, they are RobertEarl Jun 2014 #13

If You Don't Want To Get Hurt... Do Not Engage In The Game... Or At The Very Least... End The Game.. WillyT Jun 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #20

How Many Years Have We Been On This Board Together... And THAT Is What You Got ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #21

To some it's about Obama. To others, like you and me, it's about un-Constitutional spying by neverforget Jun 2014 #26

I Know That... But Every Now And Then... Their Anger Reveals The Truth... And It Is Sad... WillyT Jun 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #32

ridiculous grasswire Jun 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #29

Um... Presidents Are Afforded Two Terms... He's Been Elected Twice... Math Says You Are Wrong... WillyT Jun 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #34

SFGate Is Right-Wing ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #37

When someone actually does that let me know. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #38

I understand from an unimpeachable source ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #107

???? just how did you get that? I am reading this thread and I am also familiar Dragonfli Jun 2014 #35

Here: Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #44

A Toon That I Found On The WaPo Editorial Page, And Did Not Bother To Investigate... Nice Smear... WillyT Jun 2014 #49

Yup, we are never responsible itsrobert Jun 2014 #53

Posted All Sorts Of Toons And Graphics Here... Did Not Know If This One Was RW Or Not... Didn't Care WillyT Jun 2014 #57

the editorial page is political opinions which include conservatives like George Will JI7 Jun 2014 #56

Oh, I remember that and that had more to do with not knowing the right wing was behind it Dragonfli Jun 2014 #51

So your excuse for that person posting a right wing toon Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #52

You're funny Dragonfli Jun 2014 #59

I Don't Get Why She Doesn't Ignore Me ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #65

I would think he/she would ignore you over me as I don't recall that we have engaged much Dragonfli Jun 2014 #68

He/She doesn't ignore you because you post a lot and he/she wants to smear you. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Drew Richards Jun 2014 #230

Why so many self deletes? nt Logical Jun 2014 #73

I'd like to know why, too. grasswire Jun 2014 #91

Well, it was kinda' bizarre, the poster was calling out Willy as a right winger trying to bring down Dragonfli Jun 2014 #96

I guess not, all your time is for right wing policies on DU as long as the delusional TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #205

Oh... so the political aware isn't aware and that's excuse enough to post RW attacks on Obama? ok... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #151

People make mistakes, I bet even you do at times (maybe not) Dragonfli Jun 2014 #157

nnnnnnnnnot like that, not childish ass'd RW mistakes while bashing also. uponit7771 Jun 2014 #172

You are so far from making any sense I can't even discuss this with you Dragonfli Jun 2014 #182

The "I'm done with you" retort is so common here... it's about the 16th time I've seen this in weeks uponit7771 Jun 2014 #187

Maybe that should tell you something Dragonfli Jun 2014 #189

Yes, that these Snowden\GW reflexive defenses aren't very well thought through? regards uponit7771 Jun 2014 #195

"Snowden hasn't given us anything new." betsuni Jun 2014 #12

He means Snowden hasn't given them anything new recently... BlueCheese Jun 2014 #24

Ah, silly me. Never mind. betsuni Jun 2014 #27

Good to see Greenwald contributing content to the Intercept again... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #19

This thread needs a theme song. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #33

A better selection - whistler162 Jun 2014 #122

There is nothing religious or demagogic about Greenwald or Snowden's message. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #146

Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime... WillyT Jun 2014 #236

WillyT! Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #237

should be very interesting. barbtries Jun 2014 #41

I think so, too. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #82

of course they are a danger Mnpaul Jun 2014 #252

I wonder if he'll showcase the reported NSA's spying on Obama? Oilwellian Jun 2014 #45

Am *I* named?!1 UTUSN Jun 2014 #48

Why don't you tell me what your name is and I'll shoot Greenwald an email. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #185

How many NYC size phone books will this fill? DJ13 Jun 2014 #50

Thank You Snowden, Thank You Greenwald, Thank You For Sharing WillyT cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #61

What people should take away is - THIS is the way you report this magnitude of information... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #55

Well Said! KoKo Jun 2014 #113

Thanks, KoKo... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #206

I'm excited to see what he has MaggieD Jun 2014 #60

Want to bet most are on the left? Warpy Jun 2014 #66

But the Rwers are patriots, Warpy. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #87

Thanks for the heads up... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #77

Not getting enough publicity Greenwad? SoapBox Jun 2014 #79

'Greenwad' Bwaha. Now that's real funny there. elias49 Jun 2014 #94

The poster couldn't find the time to type an "L" Aerows Jun 2014 #253

Thanks for the SFGate article, WillyT ReRe Jun 2014 #81

Thanks ReRe... WillyT Jun 2014 #83

K&R NealK Jun 2014 #85

Just cut to the chase, Greenwald... KansDem Jun 2014 #86

The NSA is just trying to protect... nikto Jun 2014 #89

LOL !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #90

Thanks for posting, WillyT. Don'tcha notice how the smear campaign truth2power Jun 2014 #97

Let me fill you in on a little secret ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #105

"In addition..." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #137

than you for sayng what I would have said...i grasswire Jun 2014 #164

While you can claim that you personally LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #165

And the names are... Envelope, please... Whisp Jun 2014 #100

THANK YOU !!!! SamKnause Jun 2014 #103

Heavy breathing bluestateguy Jun 2014 #106

LOL!!! Beaverhausen Jun 2014 #130

Yeah, that sure was a terrible time back in the Bush Presidency. randome Jun 2014 #109

NSA profiles domestic US enemy groups. One of them is below, scrambled for security purposes. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #110

I don't understand Rstrstx Jun 2014 #174

That's awesome hueymahl Jun 2014 #200

It will be interesting to see which names Greenwald chooses MineralMan Jun 2014 #112

Greenwald is right to play this out slowly. The Abu Ghraib revelations were gone in one news cycle. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #114

Milk that Teat!,,,,, nt Cryptoad Jun 2014 #116

Interesting that he is going to use a different channel to publish this material. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #121

Probably the NYTimes insisted on context and he did not like that. randome Jun 2014 #131

I think that is probably what will happen. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #158

Huh? This makes no sense. Why wouldn't he publish on The Intercept? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #173

I don't understand either, and why would he be writing for the New York Times? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #178

He hasn't shared one byline with the Times. I don't see why he'd start now. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #180

I think it is time to consider whether the confusion is genuine or feigned for some purpose Dragonfli Jun 2014 #183

Not a Greenwald fan and especially after seeing him ON Bill Mahrer. He comes across as mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #124

I am more interested in the information he will release in the forthcoming article Dragonfli Jun 2014 #132

Oh no! "Arrogant"! I guess NSA is okay. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #135

He was fabulous on Maher. Makes me like even more! nt valerief Jun 2014 #161

if you haven't seen that debate with Hayden, grasswire Jun 2014 #166

Thanks. I've bookmarked it and will watch it later! nt valerief Jun 2014 #168

Worthless ad Hominem. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #216

Recommend..thanks! n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #129

The Green One is gonna name names? All hail the Green One! randome Jun 2014 #140

Any day now.... zappaman Jun 2014 #153

When did you post something to expose crimes of the national security state, zappaman? Octafish Jun 2014 #208

Hold on! zappaman Jun 2014 #243

So, got nothing, hunh? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #217

No, not a thing. Just trying to inject some levity into the oh-so-serious brigade. randome Jun 2014 #224

wait... we're supposed to just believe Snowden (a damn liar) without proof...............AGAIN?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2014 #141

No, we are supposed to examine leaked documents and that's about it, they actually do exist. /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #170

This isn't about leaked docs and they're not posting any docs with names of spied on US uponit7771 Jun 2014 #171

The names are found in the documents Dragonfli Jun 2014 #176

I'm not going to take Snowdens word for it doesn't make sense to you?!!? REALLY?! That's interesting uponit7771 Jun 2014 #188

The leaked documents are the proof, the reality of it can't be more clear Dragonfli Jun 2014 #192

There wont be any "leaked documents" in this context there will be "stories". I've already quoted uponit7771 Jun 2014 #193

I fully expect the article to be sourced, so I expect something different Dragonfli Jun 2014 #196

so you've already seen the documents? grasswire Jun 2014 #179

From the OP... Snowden wont be giving "documents" he'll be giving "stories" quote inside uponit7771 Jun 2014 #190

Snowden doesn't have any documents to give and Greenwald has posted supporting documents with Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #201

I think the poster is reading "unpublished documents" and not realizing Dragonfli Jun 2014 #203

God I hope they drag it out more. JoeyT Jun 2014 #175

a lot of the craziness we took as reactive was really preemptive I suspect carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #218

If the intent of their smear campaign was innoculation, bvar22 Jun 2014 #227

One Screamer always seems to convince a Pragmatic New Poster bobduca Jun 2014 #221

I can hardly contain myself! randome Jun 2014 #194

I opened this thread in an incognito window Aerows Jun 2014 #198

Ignore is ideal for Johnny-one-note types carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #244

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #204

To be cheered in 2016 obxhead Jun 2014 #250

This entire thread illustrates more eloquently Aerows Jun 2014 #255

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #257

The United States of America Aerows Jun 2014 #260

Thanks for the heads-up! K&R Babel_17 Jun 2014 #256

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #258