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Dragonfli

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157. People make mistakes, I bet even you do at times (maybe not)

Mon Jun 23, 2014, 01:46 PM

Jun 2014

I just think that if one is to accuse somebody of being a "right winger trying to take down Obama" it would take more than one post made in error of a cartoon that appears to be about Chinese hacking to convince me of the accusation, you may require little to no evidence to convince you of whatever a person tells you, but I happen to expect more.

If you read what I posted all this should be rather clear already, if you have a chip on your shoulder and want to start a fight with me over it fine, but I am not required to take the bait.

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It's Getting Close Folks... Greenwald, Naming Names.... [View all] WillyT Jun 2014 OP

we seem to get this same news every couple weeks or so JI7 Jun 2014 #1

Yup, trying to milk his golden cow dry itsrobert Jun 2014 #4

How can you "learn" with your fingers in your ears and your eyes shut? You seem to want so rhett o rick Jun 2014 #36

Huh, em what?, this stuff was known during the Bush years itsrobert Jun 2014 #40

That's a bunch of crap and you know it. The NSA/CIA grabbed unbelievable power during the Bush rhett o rick Jun 2014 #47

This stuff was suspected in Stupid's presidency Warpy Jun 2014 #64

Exactly, Warpy, exactly. hedda_foil Jun 2014 #92

"Anyone who says this was all known during the Bush years is spinning wildly." greiner3 Jun 2014 #222

Nice! The "old news" defense with a "because we have a black president" finish. hughee99 Jun 2014 #155

Wait a minute. lark Jun 2014 #156

Christ on a trailor hitch LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #159

40 posts before someone played the race card Doctor_J Jun 2014 #211

36 post before someone played you are not a liberal if you dont bow down to GG/Snowden card itsrobert Jun 2014 #235

Post #34 was self hidden, did Cali_Democrat really say to "bow down before GG/Snowden?" Dragonfli Jun 2014 #245

You noticed that too, eh? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #246

I really was just curious because I had never seen such a thing and wanted to see for myself Dragonfli Jun 2014 #248

What we "learned" in the Bush years was vague. Now we have the documents to clarify JDPriestly Jun 2014 #223

was there supposed to be a sarcasm thingy on this? nashville_brook Jun 2014 #226

Being black has nothing to with... Rockyj Jun 2014 #233

Is there a version of Tourette's syndrome zappaman Jun 2014 #101

It sometimes manifests as 'Benghazi!' or 'Bergdahl!' randome Jun 2014 #108

Yes, it does... Whisp Jun 2014 #148

Well...its because it fits LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #125

Right zappaman Jun 2014 #126

WTF? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #128

No kidding Bobbie Jo Jun 2014 #145

This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jun 2014 #46

Yet the house is voting to reduce the power if the NSA! Weird! nt Logical Jun 2014 #70

... not weird, glad Obama started the conversation months before SnowGlens releases uponit7771 Jun 2014 #150

I forget. Was that before or after he signed the NDAA? Doctor_J Jun 2014 #212

It takes time. I can wait. Autumn Jun 2014 #2

Me Too... It's Been One Hell Of A Year... WillyT Jun 2014 #10

Cue the Snowden and Greenwald haters in 3, 2, 1,....... neverforget Jun 2014 #3

Nothing like a good food fight! Fuddnik Jun 2014 #117

They aren't really Snowden/Greenwald haters... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #138

You said: 'When the next Bush is in charge... Whisp Jun 2014 #154

Indeed, it will be amusing to see LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #160

I think I know which one as she was quite opposed to it at one time Dragonfli Jun 2014 #167

Something like this? bvar22 Jun 2014 #232

Don't look for honest brokers Aerows Jun 2014 #254

Awesome! That is too good... JackRiddler Jun 2014 #259

Some of them will. Octafish Jun 2014 #207

I bet the article has the name Jones in it- snooper2 Jun 2014 #5

Why the suspense? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #6

They are good RobertEarl Jun 2014 #8

Funny thing though....if you look at political polling Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #9

And Most Americans Have No Idea What The Constitution Says... You're Point ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #14

Prolonging this is pointless Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #17

Everything should be released immediately? ljm2002 Jun 2014 #88

"Why not just be honest." bobduca Jun 2014 #220

Some people see everything through a prism of how it will effect people in office. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #23

Thank You For That !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #39

Oh, your welcome Dragonfli Jun 2014 #67

Yes, thank you, dragonfli. truth2power Jun 2014 #115

+ 1000 LiberalLovinLug Jun 2014 #127

Thank you. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #163

Ding! To the BOG, every issue is judged by how it effects the Messiah Doctor_J Jun 2014 #213

Loyalty Derangement Syndrome, nashville_brook Jun 2014 #225

Post removed Post removed Jun 2014 #42

"Most Americans don't give a shit about the NSA." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #139

Is it just me hueymahl Jun 2014 #197

Welcome to ignore. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #199

Wow, my first ignore hueymahl Jun 2014 #202

Then this shouldn't cause much embarrassment for the president Doctor_J Jun 2014 #219

You mean only those of us who are informed, know a little history and care about our JDPriestly Jun 2014 #231

This idea that ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #16

Zing! Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #18

So... I Guess The Pulitzer Award Has Been Reduced To Zero... WillyT Jun 2014 #43

The classic DU-ism ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #69

And There Are Politicians And Journalists On Both Sides Of This Issue... WillyT Jun 2014 #74

I'm on the side of the truth. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #76

But How Does One Get To The Truth When Eveything Is Classified ???- This One Always Bothered Me... WillyT Jun 2014 #78

Some things need to be classified. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #102

The sun needs to come up in morning nolabels Jun 2014 #118

And what legitimate reason is there for collecting mass data on Americans' communications mindwalker_i Jun 2014 #134

I disagree... freebrew Jun 2014 #186

Your skepticism is yours... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #214

Hahaha! Without knowing their contents. Thanks for the laugh! Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #215

I'm confounded by your statement that they haven't offered any proof. hedda_foil Jun 2014 #95

This is the crux of the matter ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #104

And Maybe, THAT Is The Biggest Scandal Of All... What Was Once Unthinkable, Has Quietly Been... WillyT Jun 2014 #111

Or the Constitution. woo me with science Jun 2014 #210

If the President does it... nxylas Jun 2014 #239

You Mean To Tell Me That Tricky Dick Was Tellin' The Truth ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #241

Of course not nxylas Jun 2014 #261

No, Nance. You haven't sided with the "truth". bvar22 Jun 2014 #119

boom nt grasswire Jun 2014 #123

Double boom LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #162

Touche. woo me with science Jun 2014 #209

She has nothing to apologize for. n/t QC Jun 2014 #249

The kind of visceral hatred I read from GG haters elias49 Jun 2014 #58

I find it quite bizarre, it goes far beyond what one might expect. /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #62

The fact that you believe ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #75

You're shitting me, right? elias49 Jun 2014 #93

Exactly the response I expected ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #98

15th non response from SnowGlen supporter in 1.5wks... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #147

It makes Obama look bad. NealK Jun 2014 #84

...only to conservatives who think everything started under Bush makes Obama look bad no? tia uponit7771 Jun 2014 #149

No, really? NealK Jun 2014 #191

It's the same reaction you might expect if you told a 6 year old there is no Santa Claus. GoneFishin Jun 2014 #136

Another NSA defender? nt Logical Jun 2014 #71

Yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #99

It gets tiring having to explain that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2014 #120

Yessir... dhill926 Jun 2014 #133

What are you? zappaman Jun 2014 #152

or someone who sees SnowGlen for what they are and doesn't like what the Spy agencies are doing? uponit7771 Jun 2014 #144

Exactly. Historic NY Jun 2014 #72

AMEN AND AMEN!!! uponit7771 Jun 2014 #143

Greenwald never said he has info that would bring the US to its knees. Unbelievable that you put it Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #169

^^^^^^ grasswire Jun 2014 #177

It's a huge twist on what he actually said. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #181

and that poster had the chutzpah to correct someone's.. grasswire Jun 2014 #184

Great post! JDPriestly Jun 2014 #229

It's like previews for the next episode betsuni Jun 2014 #22

I would assume because the information has to be confirmed MaggieD Jun 2014 #63

Cali, you do realize that you're making a conditional statement, don't you?... truth2power Jun 2014 #142

Great Analogy !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #234

Post any interesting toons lately, Willy? Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #238

Just For You... WillyT Jun 2014 #240

What do we know about the author of he comic artist? Who does he/she vote for? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #247

I Have... No... Fucking... Clue... Nor Do I Care... WillyT Jun 2014 #251

Thanks! truth2power Jun 2014 #242

Did you read the OP and the article it linked to? JDPriestly Jun 2014 #228

"You have to interview them"? IDemo Jun 2014 #7

It takes a long time to interview everyone in the country. BlueCheese Jun 2014 #25

this is going to be a disaster for obama Takket Jun 2014 #11

Well, they are RobertEarl Jun 2014 #13

If You Don't Want To Get Hurt... Do Not Engage In The Game... Or At The Very Least... End The Game.. WillyT Jun 2014 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #20

How Many Years Have We Been On This Board Together... And THAT Is What You Got ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #21

To some it's about Obama. To others, like you and me, it's about un-Constitutional spying by neverforget Jun 2014 #26

I Know That... But Every Now And Then... Their Anger Reveals The Truth... And It Is Sad... WillyT Jun 2014 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #32

ridiculous grasswire Jun 2014 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #29

Um... Presidents Are Afforded Two Terms... He's Been Elected Twice... Math Says You Are Wrong... WillyT Jun 2014 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #34

SFGate Is Right-Wing ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #37

When someone actually does that let me know. Dragonfli Jun 2014 #38

I understand from an unimpeachable source ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #107

???? just how did you get that? I am reading this thread and I am also familiar Dragonfli Jun 2014 #35

Here: Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #44

A Toon That I Found On The WaPo Editorial Page, And Did Not Bother To Investigate... Nice Smear... WillyT Jun 2014 #49

Yup, we are never responsible itsrobert Jun 2014 #53

Posted All Sorts Of Toons And Graphics Here... Did Not Know If This One Was RW Or Not... Didn't Care WillyT Jun 2014 #57

the editorial page is political opinions which include conservatives like George Will JI7 Jun 2014 #56

Oh, I remember that and that had more to do with not knowing the right wing was behind it Dragonfli Jun 2014 #51

So your excuse for that person posting a right wing toon Cali_Democrat Jun 2014 #52

You're funny Dragonfli Jun 2014 #59

I Don't Get Why She Doesn't Ignore Me ??? WillyT Jun 2014 #65

I would think he/she would ignore you over me as I don't recall that we have engaged much Dragonfli Jun 2014 #68

He/She doesn't ignore you because you post a lot and he/she wants to smear you. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Drew Richards Jun 2014 #230

Why so many self deletes? nt Logical Jun 2014 #73

I'd like to know why, too. grasswire Jun 2014 #91

Well, it was kinda' bizarre, the poster was calling out Willy as a right winger trying to bring down Dragonfli Jun 2014 #96

I guess not, all your time is for right wing policies on DU as long as the delusional TheKentuckian Jun 2014 #205

Oh... so the political aware isn't aware and that's excuse enough to post RW attacks on Obama? ok... uponit7771 Jun 2014 #151

People make mistakes, I bet even you do at times (maybe not) Dragonfli Jun 2014 #157

nnnnnnnnnot like that, not childish ass'd RW mistakes while bashing also. uponit7771 Jun 2014 #172

You are so far from making any sense I can't even discuss this with you Dragonfli Jun 2014 #182

The "I'm done with you" retort is so common here... it's about the 16th time I've seen this in weeks uponit7771 Jun 2014 #187

Maybe that should tell you something Dragonfli Jun 2014 #189

Yes, that these Snowden\GW reflexive defenses aren't very well thought through? regards uponit7771 Jun 2014 #195

"Snowden hasn't given us anything new." betsuni Jun 2014 #12

He means Snowden hasn't given them anything new recently... BlueCheese Jun 2014 #24

Ah, silly me. Never mind. betsuni Jun 2014 #27

Good to see Greenwald contributing content to the Intercept again... Blue_Tires Jun 2014 #19

This thread needs a theme song. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #33

A better selection - whistler162 Jun 2014 #122

There is nothing religious or demagogic about Greenwald or Snowden's message. Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #146

Anytime... Uncle Joe, Anytime... WillyT Jun 2014 #236

WillyT! Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #237

should be very interesting. barbtries Jun 2014 #41

I think so, too. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #82

of course they are a danger Mnpaul Jun 2014 #252

I wonder if he'll showcase the reported NSA's spying on Obama? Oilwellian Jun 2014 #45

Am *I* named?!1 UTUSN Jun 2014 #48

Why don't you tell me what your name is and I'll shoot Greenwald an email. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #185

How many NYC size phone books will this fill? DJ13 Jun 2014 #50

Thank You Snowden, Thank You Greenwald, Thank You For Sharing WillyT cantbeserious Jun 2014 #54

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #61

What people should take away is - THIS is the way you report this magnitude of information... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #55

Well Said! KoKo Jun 2014 #113

Thanks, KoKo... MrMickeysMom Jun 2014 #206

I'm excited to see what he has MaggieD Jun 2014 #60

Want to bet most are on the left? Warpy Jun 2014 #66

But the Rwers are patriots, Warpy. LuvNewcastle Jun 2014 #87

Thanks for the heads up... ljm2002 Jun 2014 #77

Not getting enough publicity Greenwad? SoapBox Jun 2014 #79

'Greenwad' Bwaha. Now that's real funny there. elias49 Jun 2014 #94

The poster couldn't find the time to type an "L" Aerows Jun 2014 #253

Thanks for the SFGate article, WillyT ReRe Jun 2014 #81

Thanks ReRe... WillyT Jun 2014 #83

K&R NealK Jun 2014 #85

Just cut to the chase, Greenwald... KansDem Jun 2014 #86

The NSA is just trying to protect... nikto Jun 2014 #89

LOL !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #90

Thanks for posting, WillyT. Don'tcha notice how the smear campaign truth2power Jun 2014 #97

Let me fill you in on a little secret ... NanceGreggs Jun 2014 #105

"In addition..." JackRiddler Jun 2014 #137

than you for sayng what I would have said...i grasswire Jun 2014 #164

While you can claim that you personally LondonReign2 Jun 2014 #165

And the names are... Envelope, please... Whisp Jun 2014 #100

THANK YOU !!!! SamKnause Jun 2014 #103

Heavy breathing bluestateguy Jun 2014 #106

LOL!!! Beaverhausen Jun 2014 #130

Yeah, that sure was a terrible time back in the Bush Presidency. randome Jun 2014 #109

NSA profiles domestic US enemy groups. One of them is below, scrambled for security purposes. blkmusclmachine Jun 2014 #110

I don't understand Rstrstx Jun 2014 #174

That's awesome hueymahl Jun 2014 #200

It will be interesting to see which names Greenwald chooses MineralMan Jun 2014 #112

Greenwald is right to play this out slowly. The Abu Ghraib revelations were gone in one news cycle. RufusTFirefly Jun 2014 #114

Milk that Teat!,,,,, nt Cryptoad Jun 2014 #116

Interesting that he is going to use a different channel to publish this material. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #121

Probably the NYTimes insisted on context and he did not like that. randome Jun 2014 #131

I think that is probably what will happen. NCTraveler Jun 2014 #158

Huh? This makes no sense. Why wouldn't he publish on The Intercept? Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #173

I don't understand either, and why would he be writing for the New York Times? Dragonfli Jun 2014 #178

He hasn't shared one byline with the Times. I don't see why he'd start now. Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #180

I think it is time to consider whether the confusion is genuine or feigned for some purpose Dragonfli Jun 2014 #183

Not a Greenwald fan and especially after seeing him ON Bill Mahrer. He comes across as mfcorey1 Jun 2014 #124

I am more interested in the information he will release in the forthcoming article Dragonfli Jun 2014 #132

Oh no! "Arrogant"! I guess NSA is okay. JackRiddler Jun 2014 #135

He was fabulous on Maher. Makes me like even more! nt valerief Jun 2014 #161

if you haven't seen that debate with Hayden, grasswire Jun 2014 #166

Thanks. I've bookmarked it and will watch it later! nt valerief Jun 2014 #168

Worthless ad Hominem. Hissyspit Jun 2014 #216

Recommend..thanks! n/t Jefferson23 Jun 2014 #129

The Green One is gonna name names? All hail the Green One! randome Jun 2014 #140

Any day now.... zappaman Jun 2014 #153

When did you post something to expose crimes of the national security state, zappaman? Octafish Jun 2014 #208

Hold on! zappaman Jun 2014 #243

So, got nothing, hunh? Hissyspit Jun 2014 #217

No, not a thing. Just trying to inject some levity into the oh-so-serious brigade. randome Jun 2014 #224

wait... we're supposed to just believe Snowden (a damn liar) without proof...............AGAIN?! tia uponit7771 Jun 2014 #141

No, we are supposed to examine leaked documents and that's about it, they actually do exist. /nt Dragonfli Jun 2014 #170

This isn't about leaked docs and they're not posting any docs with names of spied on US uponit7771 Jun 2014 #171

The names are found in the documents Dragonfli Jun 2014 #176

I'm not going to take Snowdens word for it doesn't make sense to you?!!? REALLY?! That's interesting uponit7771 Jun 2014 #188

The leaked documents are the proof, the reality of it can't be more clear Dragonfli Jun 2014 #192

There wont be any "leaked documents" in this context there will be "stories". I've already quoted uponit7771 Jun 2014 #193

I fully expect the article to be sourced, so I expect something different Dragonfli Jun 2014 #196

so you've already seen the documents? grasswire Jun 2014 #179

From the OP... Snowden wont be giving "documents" he'll be giving "stories" quote inside uponit7771 Jun 2014 #190

Snowden doesn't have any documents to give and Greenwald has posted supporting documents with Luminous Animal Jun 2014 #201

I think the poster is reading "unpublished documents" and not realizing Dragonfli Jun 2014 #203

God I hope they drag it out more. JoeyT Jun 2014 #175

a lot of the craziness we took as reactive was really preemptive I suspect carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #218

If the intent of their smear campaign was innoculation, bvar22 Jun 2014 #227

One Screamer always seems to convince a Pragmatic New Poster bobduca Jun 2014 #221

I can hardly contain myself! randome Jun 2014 #194

I opened this thread in an incognito window Aerows Jun 2014 #198

Ignore is ideal for Johnny-one-note types carolinayellowdog Jun 2014 #244

K&R DeSwiss Jun 2014 #204

To be cheered in 2016 obxhead Jun 2014 #250

This entire thread illustrates more eloquently Aerows Jun 2014 #255

+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #257

The United States of America Aerows Jun 2014 #260

Thanks for the heads-up! K&R Babel_17 Jun 2014 #256

You Are Quite Welcome !!! WillyT Jun 2014 #258