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starroute

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13. Don't leave out the way Versailles messed up the Middle East
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jun 2014

We wouldn't have this whole ISIS mess on our hands today if not for what happened at the end of World War I.

http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/FeaturesEurope/WWI/1918_Conclusions01.htm

The Allies lost no time in betraying the Arabs who had been promised independence in return for rebelling against the Turks, and colonised them instead in order to exploit their oil reserves. The artificial nation of Kuwait was carved out of Iraq under a puppet emir so that its considerable oil reserves could be preserved for western exploitation. That would have its own blowback in 1990 when Saddam Hussein decided to re-take the territory for Iraq (the First Gulf War). And that would lead to the 2003 Iraq invasion (the Second Gulf War) and the ongoing war, which has its own part to play in the economic collapse the world over today.


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2001/10/whats_osama_talking_about.html

In his videotape broadcast, Osama Bin Laden made two references to "80 years." The first: "What America is tasting now is only a copy of what we have tasted. Our Islamic nation has been tasting the same for more than 80 years, of humiliation and disgrace, its sons killed and their blood spilled, its sanctities desecrated." Later, Osama repeated the temporal reference, saying "the sword fell upon America after 80 years." What's he talking about? What happened around 80 years ago?

It's impossible to be certain from such an oblique reference, but here's a plausible (albeit speculative) theory: Bin Laden is referring to the Sykes-Picot agreement, which divided the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire between the British and the French after World War I. Osama's prime goal is said to be the restoration of the Islamic caliphate, and the Sykes-Picot agreement may signal, to Bin Laden, the collapse of Muslim political and military power.

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Two Bullets Octafish Jun 2014 #1
Heydrich's assassination was May 29. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #3
Hairpin Turns Octafish Jun 2014 #7
Slight correction to the above: Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #10
Thank you. The guy was a NAZI prick. Octafish Jun 2014 #12
Thank you for sharing that, Octafish. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #22
I believe that someone erected a statue of the shooter there yesterday. roguevalley Jun 2014 #36
One wonders edhopper Jun 2014 #2
The only problem with this is that yeoman6987 Jun 2014 #4
I was referring to edhopper Jun 2014 #5
On the other hand, we lost a huge number of people who could've advanced and evolved our nation. NBachers Jun 2014 #16
but none of that was "inevitable" hfojvt Jun 2014 #6
True. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #8
It was definately 'A' trigger, the main one at that point anyway. BKH70041 Jun 2014 #9
Moltke Cartoonist Jun 2014 #11
Just read the Wikipedia article on him, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #26
Not the sole instigator Cartoonist Jun 2014 #27
Hmm. Yeah, you may be right about that. Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #28
Modern historians Cartoonist Jun 2014 #31
Don't leave out the way Versailles messed up the Middle East starroute Jun 2014 #13
Thank you. So few American citizens know the history that you shared. Enthusiast Jun 2014 #21
Good post. If you liked the first two, you'll love number III. Throd Jun 2014 #25
Spread the blame around Cartoonist Jun 2014 #30
Don't blame the Arabs starroute Jun 2014 #34
But they only "play nice" under the likes of Saddam Hussein. Throd Jun 2014 #42
Which should have been a good argument for leaving Saddam in control starroute Jun 2014 #43
And the Spanish flu epidemic, which killed more people than the war starroute Jun 2014 #14
Apparently they have erected a monument to honor the assassin A Little Weird Jun 2014 #15
Twitter live feed starting today from the British Foreign Office, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #17
A historical "butterfly effect" if there ever was one and if you were able Uncle Joe Jun 2014 #18
WWI marked the end of Empires PeoViejo Jun 2014 #19
Don't tell the NRA, but it was a handgun that did it. tclambert Jun 2014 #20
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Jun 2014 #23
Old school DU right here tkmorris Jun 2014 #24
+1 Boom Sound 416 Jun 2014 #35
K&R. Iggo Jun 2014 #29
K&R. I wonder what Europe and the rest of the world would look like had Archduke Louisiana1976 Jun 2014 #32
Probably not much different since the same Turbineguy Jun 2014 #37
Agreed. Coventina Jun 2014 #33
Not January 20, 1942? Alex P Notkeaton Jun 2014 #38
Not to diminish that, Benton D Struckcheon Jun 2014 #39
"The Guns of August" by Barbara Tuchman proves ridiculous incompetence led to the war. greatlaurel Jun 2014 #40
It Is A Sad Anniversary Liberal_Dog Jun 2014 #41
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