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In reply to the discussion: This Obama quote should be carved in stone somewhere [View all]MissMarple
(9,656 posts)30. Good, more heart, less logic. Logic doesn't quickly change minds and hearts.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Elections/President/2012/0403/Slamming-social-Darwinism-Obama-reignites-debt-clash-with-GOP
It is antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everybody who's willing to work for it, a place where prosperity doesn't trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class, Obama continued. And by gutting the very things we need to grow an economy that's built to last education and training, research and development, our infrastructure it is a prescription for decline.
We need more appealing to patriotism, religious principle, being an American, and what is really at the roots of our freedom, our country. People react initially through emotion and instinct, then they use "reason" to justify what they think. We all tend to place a different emphasis on an array of values that we as humans have. Conservatives care about people and value fairness but not exactly like liberals do. They value loyalty to their groups, respect for authority, and religious faith as much as care and fairness. Then there is that libertarian thing about freedom that seems to have transcended in their thinking since Ronnie Reagan demonized government.
The people who really want to rule the world know conservative language and can manipulate them very well. We just need to learn their language and how they weigh the values that we all have. Logic can only be applied if you get their attention first. And I don't mean hitting them over the head.
Oddly, we seem to be in the minority. We tend to be individuals who happen to work well in groups, we respect authority much less and that really bothers people who value that...a lot.
Jonathan Haidt, a moral psychologist, is well worth a good look. Just don't get your knickers all in a twist because he likes conservatives, too. And he can explain why he likes conservatives, and why we all need each other. He also quite clearly explains that we all think we are right in how we view things, and that we can explain why, or at least try. "Well, because, why can't you see that?" is sometimes all we can come up with. I think he goes farther than Lakoff.
So, more heart, more kindness, less logic, less judgementalism. ...all around. "We are all going to be here a while, can't we just all get along?"
http://righteousmind.com/
So, exiting the soapbox...
It is antithetical to our entire history as a land of opportunity and upward mobility for everybody who's willing to work for it, a place where prosperity doesn't trickle down from the top, but grows outward from the heart of the middle class, Obama continued. And by gutting the very things we need to grow an economy that's built to last education and training, research and development, our infrastructure it is a prescription for decline.
We need more appealing to patriotism, religious principle, being an American, and what is really at the roots of our freedom, our country. People react initially through emotion and instinct, then they use "reason" to justify what they think. We all tend to place a different emphasis on an array of values that we as humans have. Conservatives care about people and value fairness but not exactly like liberals do. They value loyalty to their groups, respect for authority, and religious faith as much as care and fairness. Then there is that libertarian thing about freedom that seems to have transcended in their thinking since Ronnie Reagan demonized government.
The people who really want to rule the world know conservative language and can manipulate them very well. We just need to learn their language and how they weigh the values that we all have. Logic can only be applied if you get their attention first. And I don't mean hitting them over the head.
Oddly, we seem to be in the minority. We tend to be individuals who happen to work well in groups, we respect authority much less and that really bothers people who value that...a lot.
Jonathan Haidt, a moral psychologist, is well worth a good look. Just don't get your knickers all in a twist because he likes conservatives, too. And he can explain why he likes conservatives, and why we all need each other. He also quite clearly explains that we all think we are right in how we view things, and that we can explain why, or at least try. "Well, because, why can't you see that?" is sometimes all we can come up with. I think he goes farther than Lakoff.
So, more heart, more kindness, less logic, less judgementalism. ...all around. "We are all going to be here a while, can't we just all get along?"
http://righteousmind.com/
So, exiting the soapbox...

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That's not a sure thing..once the asshats get into office, they are sold like
russspeakeasy
Apr 2012
#50
And he knows that the noise coming from his far left flank is just that. Noise.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#23
Yeah, and if he had, millions of unemployed people would have been fucked out of UI
Arkana
Apr 2012
#80
Hi adam in oregon. You do know the difference between aspirations and governance, right?
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#27
"I am vothing third party this time around. I realize they aren't 'viable'".
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#36
"You just want an echo chamber." Nope. There's no echo chamber here. Many voices.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#42
I had a hunch, but I declined to alert. Some think the post was just fine. Go figure.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#57
No matter the candidate it will always be so. They cannot pass laws by decree. nt
stevenleser
Apr 2012
#18
How could you possibly know this? Alan Grayson LOST! Russ Feingold LOST! Kooch LOST!
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#28
We agree about the rightward shift of the country. However, while we were bickering.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#65
Obama should have taken a greater lead in educating people, talking to voters
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#78
Obama is exactly who I voted for. While I'm sure he studied all the greats, this is 2012, not 1933.
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#85
The right taking over our school board in Los Angeles claim to be Democrats --
JDPriestly
Apr 2012
#86
Empirical data - Neville Chamberlain vs Winston Churchill - appeasement or leadership.
jtuck004
Apr 2012
#32
Whether I like Elizabeth or not isn't at issue. I do. However, I was hoping the poster....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#35
Well, spineless can be dangerous. Especially when it lowers the bar for "good".
jtuck004
Apr 2012
#75
Harriet's wisdom isn't at issue here. How does does one know when one has crossed over.....
Tarheel_Dem
Apr 2012
#76
If you honestly think that every challenger to the Blanche Lincolns of the world was some sort
Arkana
Apr 2012
#77
Good, more heart, less logic. Logic doesn't quickly change minds and hearts.
MissMarple
Apr 2012
#30
It wasn't his nomination speech where he talked about cutting deficits and killing bureaucracy.
joshcryer
Apr 2012
#67
I guess this is as close to "gluttons of privilege" as we are going to get. nt
Smarmie Doofus
Apr 2012
#69