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daredtowork

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36. I agree, but you're wrong about the church
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

It's all about political will, and that starts with the issue actually being part of the conversation.

I have to say, though, I was amazed at just how much slack the church is picking up in this situation, though. Before I was on welfare, I was furious about Bush funding "faith-based" initiatives and the implications about funding belief systems and pressuring poor people to fake faith just to get a little bit of help. Also, when I was growing up the small town "church ladies" would complain about the same "drifters" showing up and begging for help. So I had a negative view of both the church helping and the people who were going to them for help!

Wow has my outlook ever changed now!

Since the State does not offer adequate survival resources, the Church steps up to fill in the gap. Once you find out the only thing you can get from "welfare" is a $336/month check (a LOAN) to your LANDLORD, you scramble everywhere for places to get help paying bills and to pick up necessities, and for help to cover your rent during months the State screws up that welfare check - which is often!!!

In Oakland the best place to go is St. Vincent de Paul and Catholic Charities. I've heard St. Anthonies in San Francisco is similar. In my home town all the churches, Protestant and Catholic, cooperated to provide these charity services. To give you an example of the sort of help you can find, without any "religious" pressure at all: baggies of non-food hygiene necessities, billboards with consolidated lists of important services for the homeless in the area, direct help with payment of bills, on-site medical clinics such as podiatry, clothing and shoes (I got a pair of New Balances that I really needed because I was having difficulty walking), hot food, and a place to do your laundry.

When you are on welfare you need a lot of stuff, and the State does not help you with it. All "social workers" do is process the form for the 2 programs single people without children in Oakland area are eligible for General Assistance and Food Stamps. While there are "secular" nonprofits that help very low income people, most of them are narrowly focused, and sadly some of them are just about enrolling people so they can get funding: they mainly just supply people with referral lists elsewhere - largely back to the religious charities which actually DO stuff to help people!

So until we have a welfare system that actually acknowledges and addresses peoples needs, these religious charities have to exist, and they have to be lauded for continuing to step up while everyone hates the idea of "faith based" charity and the fragmented approach of volunteerism. (And I certainly hate the idea of a bunch of "church ladies" making judgments about me because I have to come back month after month). But right now THAT IS ALL WE HAVE. And I'm falling down on my knees and thanking whatever deity there is, if there is one, that something is still there trying to help the people that government "welfare" has failed to help.

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K&R.... daleanime Aug 2014 #1
Missed TY to this one daredtowork Aug 2014 #20
No need to thank me...... daleanime Aug 2014 #22
I think if people really saw the causes, we'd deal with it daredtowork Aug 2014 #27
Unfortunately, the big monied people own Congress truedelphi Aug 2014 #38
The disempowerment problem daredtowork Aug 2014 #39
A big K&R. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #2
Good luck tomorrow renate Aug 2014 #3
Thank you for your support. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #9
Are You Able to Do Volunteer Activities? daredtowork Aug 2014 #18
Pardon me for not getting back in touch with you earlier. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #43
Food Stamps are attached to work? daredtowork Aug 2014 #46
Yes, there are work requirements in order for a single person to receive food stamps (SNAP). TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #52
To help clarify this daredtowork Aug 2014 #54
In addition, if a recipient tries to collect on SNAP benefits TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #53
The other big stressor in here daredtowork Aug 2014 #55
See post #43. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #44
I'm so glad!! renate Aug 2014 #49
Illustrates the point daredtowork Aug 2014 #4
thank you for posting this....maybe it will wake up some of the masses Stargazer99 Aug 2014 #6
The Biggest Problem Is No One Can See It daredtowork Aug 2014 #10
btw daredtowork Aug 2014 #5
I was on Lyrica between six to seven years. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #8
That's another problem daredtowork Aug 2014 #12
It's true tht some days can be worse than others. No Vested Interest Aug 2014 #13
wise advice daredtowork Aug 2014 #15
Thank you. TexasTowelie Aug 2014 #45
So happy for your good news re staying No Vested Interest Aug 2014 #48
Antipoverty programs are being sacrificed at the altar of tax cuts for the wealthy. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #7
You may have misunderstood the word "reform" daredtowork Aug 2014 #14
I understood perfectly well what reform meant. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #24
Yes the Clintons came in with a trumpets blaring daredtowork Aug 2014 #28
It is a matter of changing the trend of our national conversation. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #35
I agree, but you're wrong about the church daredtowork Aug 2014 #36
I don't think we have an argument. LiberalAndProud Aug 2014 #37
I totally agree - church programs do nothing to lift people out of poverty daredtowork Aug 2014 #40
Oh, snap maced666 Aug 2014 #47
churches should understand the reason why daredtowork Aug 2014 #50
btw daredtowork Aug 2014 #51
Rec! progressoid Aug 2014 #11
TY for the Tiger Power daredtowork Aug 2014 #16
K&R rpannier Aug 2014 #17
TY for the K and the R daredtowork Aug 2014 #19
It's important for people to know about rpannier Aug 2014 #21
If you participate on other forums, bring it up daredtowork Aug 2014 #30
Kick and Rec! Excellent OP and informative bulletin. nt adirondacker Aug 2014 #23
Thank you! daredtowork Aug 2014 #31
K&R Moosepoop Aug 2014 #25
The Irony daredtowork Aug 2014 #32
A friend once said that the stress of being poor was like the panic you feel when drowning riderinthestorm Aug 2014 #26
It Does Feel Like Drowning daredtowork Aug 2014 #33
Thank you for posting this Tree-Hugger Aug 2014 #29
I keep hoping neurons can be regenerated daredtowork Aug 2014 #34
K & R - excellen graphic and OP. Even more insightful discussion thread. salin Aug 2014 #41
Thank You daredtowork Aug 2014 #42
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