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RobertEarl

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8. Lead it

Wed Sep 3, 2014, 02:47 AM

Sep 2014

It is what is required if we are going to save this country for our children.

Alas, i don't see such a leader coming 'round.

To those with the mindset that a revolution is violence, i suggest getting a dictionary and looking at the definitions.

HST - Having Said That - the right wing had a revolution, with leaders, and they were (in their own minds) very successful and the country paid a steep price and here we are struggling with debt, world hatred, a stinky environment, and war as the main foreign policy. It was a revolution and it was a rightward rev.

Our only hope now, and one many of us hoped for with Obama, is a real hard swerve to the left. Call it a revolution, or not, words don't matter, this country has to correct its course, now!

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If there WAS a broad mass-based left-wing revolution during a Democratic presidency... [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2014 OP

the broad mass-based race would then have a leader. Haven't we been there done that already? lonestarnot Sep 2014 #1

you're assuming she or he would HAVE to be leading it. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #2

A natural leader will have the tendency to lead. Anarchy doesn't work well. It can be a pain in lonestarnot Sep 2014 #3

"Anarchy" and "anarchism" are not interchangeable terms. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #16

The current President would view any left-leaning popular movement as hostile. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #32

Possibly as terrorists. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #41

That's sort of how he viewed OWS, judging from the Federal coordination of the crackdown. [n/t] Maedhros Sep 2014 #42

That's where I got the idea. Enthusiast Sep 2014 #43

It's truly a disturbing notion. Maedhros Sep 2014 #47

first one has to have a really democratic president nt msongs Sep 2014 #4

If we had one of those, the question would be moot. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #13

Great Man Theory of History strikes again YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #69

Define "revolution" Prophet 451 Sep 2014 #5

I was talking about the first. n/t. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #14

That's surprising; I suggest you add that to the OP to make it clear muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #45

I don't think you understand what revolution is BainsBane Sep 2014 #6

Yes, it's against a state and a social order. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #12

No, my comments are not right-wing BainsBane Sep 2014 #17

Why are you dwelling on people complaining about HRC and WalMart? Ken Burch Sep 2014 #22

There is no 'Left' in the US leftstreet Sep 2014 #33

"having taught the subject at the college level" malokvale77 Sep 2014 #54

Yeah, I at least understand that BainsBane Sep 2014 #60

Your first paragraph was fine. If all your posts in this thread had been like that, Ken Burch Sep 2014 #63

Thank you for injecting some actual knowledge of history into this thread YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #65

Revolutions eat their children Recursion Sep 2014 #7

True, but Stalinism wouldn't happen here. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #10

Revolutions make their own logic; Germany was the most liberal European country for a while Recursion Sep 2014 #19

Yes, Germany was the most liberal country. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #21

Forget trying to make "them" understand malokvale77 Sep 2014 #55

Maybe you should be very afraid then malokvale77 Sep 2014 #56

Lead it RobertEarl Sep 2014 #8

Send Victoria Nuland CJCRANE Sep 2014 #9

Armchair revolutionaries BainsBane Sep 2014 #11

Again, I'm not TELLING people to revolt. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #15

Genovese was a Marxist radical BainsBane Sep 2014 #18

Genovese's point was bogus Ken Burch Sep 2014 #20

I didn't read the Genovese quote as an accusation of cowardice against slaves. Nuclear Unicorn Sep 2014 #23

But that wasn't why people were asking the question Genovese condemns. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #25

"They wondered why Nat Turner was the only one" BainsBane Sep 2014 #59

The thing is, as far as I know, nobody actually WAS asking why Nat Turner was the only revolt leader Ken Burch Sep 2014 #62

Only two things, that I can see, will cause such a revolution steve2470 Sep 2014 #24

What if Spartacus had a Piper Cub? FSogol Sep 2014 #26

Bwahahaha!!!! JoePhilly Sep 2014 #27

Wait...I'm Spartacus. MineralMan Sep 2014 #35

maybe pull this behind it ... JoePhilly Sep 2014 #39

As long as it's really small... MineralMan Sep 2014 #48

If we had a real progressive Democratic president, a Democratic Senate, and a Democratic House Louisiana1976 Sep 2014 #28

"If we had a real progressive Democratic President" YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #64

I'd join up. hifiguy Sep 2014 #29

that. is not how the major political parties run. if they are able to get a consensus that is what still_one Sep 2014 #30

Most Democrats are political weather vanes... conservaphobe Sep 2014 #31

Not a realistic proposition, so I can't vote. MineralMan Sep 2014 #34

See 1968 Democratic Convention for the precedent. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #36

Currently the young are not conscripted Skidmore Sep 2014 #38

The SHOULD join it, but in reality, most would crush it. Jamastiene Sep 2014 #37

I still have to wonder about it's focus. Xyzse Sep 2014 #40

Lead it (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #44

Other - negotiate with it, and call a constitutional convention muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #46

That is also an option. Ken Burch Sep 2014 #49

Since this such an unlikely hypothetical situation, I'll assume the good faith is obvious muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #51

It would only help the Republicans. baldguy Sep 2014 #50

How about the democratic party join the left, instead? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #52

There will always be people who would rather burn the village down in the name of "saving" it. baldguy Sep 2014 #58

Why should it? YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #68

If individuals can't gain power through elections they shouldn't take it by force. N/T Chathamization Sep 2014 #53

Join it but history shows only one had the foresight to do it, FDR. mmonk Sep 2014 #57

FDR did no such thing YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #66

when the left primaries Tom Carper I'll start considering their potential to lead a revolution nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #61

Since the Democratic Party is neither revolutionary nor left-wing, why would a Dem POTUS do that? YoungDemCA Sep 2014 #67