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173. Except it's not a smear to point out you defending the BFEE.

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Thu Sep 4, 2014, 10:12 PM

Sep 2014

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Robert Parry: Who’s Telling the ‘Big Lie’ on Ukraine? [View all] Karmadillo Sep 2014 OP

Regarding your first paragraph...we sure do have a 'gaggle' of those around here. Purveyor Sep 2014 #1

Yep, Shock & Awe is not only for Iraqis... MattSh Sep 2014 #78

I don't have time for nuance, Karmadillo. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #2

You are, Parry...nt SidDithers Sep 2014 #3

Answer : Robert Parry. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #4

Well, that doesn't refute anything in the article. What is he wrong about? He's not the only one sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #33

The same Robert Parry who blames the U.S. for MH17? Blue_Tires Sep 2014 #5

the same Robert Parry who uncovered the treason of GHWB reddread Sep 2014 #6

I can live in the 1980s, too. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #8

Not Robert Parry's. Octafish Sep 2014 #9

I hear he is a finalist tritsofme Sep 2014 #14

that wasnt the 80's reddread Sep 2014 #20

We are talking about his excellent work throughout the BUSH years, which airc, were just a few years sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #34

Thank you, Karmadillo. Wish more understood how Journalism works. Octafish Sep 2014 #7

The major separatist stronghold of Sloviansk fell July 5th. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #11

Got a link for any of that? Octafish Sep 2014 #13

It's pretty concisely spelled out in wiki.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #16

Not really a source as Wiki's infiltrated by spooks. Keep trying. Octafish Sep 2014 #18

OFFS. Go to the Wiki page, look at footnotes 309-430. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #26

Wikipedia is a CIA front!!! zappaman Sep 2014 #27

And let's not get started on Wikibear! Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #31

Great, so if I see a Waaahhhhhhhh in the Ukraine article I'll know where it came from. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #30

Amazing Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #28

Why is the Kiev government killing its own people? The world is appalled at the carnage being sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #35

WTF? Lost me at WW3. nt jazzimov Sep 2014 #10

Robert Parry is an excellent journalist Dems to Win Sep 2014 #12

WAS a good journalist. WAS. KittyWampus Sep 2014 #15

Why WAS? Octafish Sep 2014 #19

I assume because the modern concept of a "good journalist" utterly precludes him reddread Sep 2014 #21

You're entitled to that opinion. Octafish Sep 2014 #23

I assume you are being rhetorical. There were a lot of "good journalists" when they were critical rhett o rick Sep 2014 #24

What should have knocked some sense of reality into their heads was Biden fracking Ukraine. Octafish Sep 2014 #61

"What should have knocked some sense of reality into their heads", you are looking at it rhett o rick Sep 2014 #68

I like the media's roles. Octafish Sep 2014 #71

that's pretty much it Doctor_J Sep 2014 #121

Weak of mind, yet strong in purpose. Octafish Sep 2014 #130

Journalists don't have to die to stop being good journalists. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #25

See Don Fulsom. Octafish Sep 2014 #62

Terrific. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #65

Like Robert Parry, Don Fulsom is a top journalist covering crimes of the State. Octafish Sep 2014 #70

Ah, well you'll excuse me not making the connection immediately. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #73

Also like Parry, Fulsom had two eyes, two ears, a nose, a mouth..... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #75

He got it right on Bush/Cheney too. He has made enemies for his reporting on that criminal sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #36

Definitely. 840high Sep 2014 #86

DURec leftstreet Sep 2014 #17

K & R malaise Sep 2014 #22

Parry being Parry. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #29

Like the snake oil we bought the last time JEB Sep 2014 #37

Depending how you mean that, it's a good assessment. The neocons are the Putinistas stevenleser Sep 2014 #44

Unprovoked war of aggression? JEB Sep 2014 #47

Yes an unprovoked war of aggression. That term has a specific meaning in terms of international law stevenleser Sep 2014 #48

I cannot justify our war of aggression. JEB Sep 2014 #49

We didn't engage in one in the Ukraine situation. You are justifying GWb's invasion of Iraq if stevenleser Sep 2014 #50

Now that is some fancy dancing. JEB Sep 2014 #53

No dancing. You are apologizing for an unprovoked war of aggression, just like in Iraq. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #54

Oh, it's the old "if you arn't with us, you're againsy us" trick. JEB Sep 2014 #57

Nope, you are engaging in apologia for an unprovoked war of aggression. Simple as that. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #76

Nope, you are engaging in fear mongering and jingoism. Easy peasy, works like a charm. JEB Sep 2014 #87

Nope. You're projecting. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #93

This is why you lose credibility on this subject. No one invaded Crimea. It is an insult to the sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #38

Um...he's not the one with no credibility. zappaman Sep 2014 #40

Awkward mythology Sep 2014 #94

"No one invaded Crimea." NuclearDem Sep 2014 #41

It's like another reality, ain't it? zappaman Sep 2014 #42

Seriously. FSogol Sep 2014 #45

No one invaded Crimea? Really? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #43

That is a link to part of the Western MSM which is hardly a reliable source. Russia always had sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #60

You're hopeless. I don't even know where to start. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #64

There's that condescension again. I am saying one thing, the Western Media is not reliable any more sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #82

Did Putini say that or not? Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #101

But RT is totally reliable. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #66

No media is totally reliable, and especially after they have been caught lying over and over again. sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #69

Well, of course RT is totally reliable. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #72

that may be why most of us use multible sourcing Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #102

Do I know you? sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #110

No, and here is what Putin actually said reorg Sep 2014 #109

So Putin didn't invade Crimea in February/March because Odessa in May? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #112

as to what Putin actually said reorg Sep 2014 #113

Clearly you have no idea as to the events of the mob riots in Odessa... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #118

People like you are so uninformed it is frightening and dangerous. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #55

Exactly, thank you, at least YOU know why they didn't invade Crimea. Was that comment intended sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #59

Ridiculous. NuclearDem Sep 2014 #67

What utter bull Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #103

By law the troops there could not leave without permission. joshcryer Sep 2014 #104

LMFAO! EU is to blame for Russia's war of aggression BC they proposed an association with Ukraine! stevenleser Sep 2014 #32

Yeah, they said that about him when he was writing about the Cheney/Bush criminal administration sabrina 1 Sep 2014 #39

Hundreds of hours of video and thousands of photo from the war zone daily... MattSh Sep 2014 #80

Your entire post is debunked by the Russians themselves admitting their troops are there. stevenleser Sep 2014 #81

Link? MattSh Sep 2014 #97

Has been all over media for the last week. Read it and weep stevenleser Sep 2014 #98

Ooooh, ten soldiers... MattSh Sep 2014 #100

Reading is fundamental. Ten soldiers were CAPTURED. Surely you understand the difference, right? nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #114

Oh, silly Steven. They were just "vacationing." Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #120

LMAO, the lies and sad justifications from Putin and his apologists are pathetic and stevenleser Sep 2014 #127

Good read, Karmadillo. nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #46

I suppose, if you like fiction. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #51

I don't mind yours so much when I read it. polly7 Sep 2014 #52

I don't post fiction. I have citations that prove the facts underlying my positions. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #77

Excuse me, but..... polly7 Sep 2014 #91

Victoria Nuland nationalize the fed Sep 2014 #56

If one accepts all that at face value, it does not justify an unprovoked war of aggression by Russia stevenleser Sep 2014 #84

PNAC in Ukraine Octafish Sep 2014 #96

Both sides are telling big lies and Parry's article is misleading. BillZBubb Sep 2014 #58

Sort of like this you mean? MattSh Sep 2014 #83

After reading Parry's piece again, I'm even more astonished how idiotic it is. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #63

''All of this--I mean, all of this--is Putin's handiwork.'' -- Tommy_Carcetti Octafish Sep 2014 #74

You show me the evidence as to how the US actually executed the forcible removal of Yanukovych.... Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #79

The irony is, even if the US completely put the uprising up to it, it does not justify Russia's stevenleser Sep 2014 #85

If word out of the mouths of US State Department officials won't do it, perhaps you need new media. Octafish Sep 2014 #90

Someone in the State Department confessed to forcibly removing Yanukovych from power? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #92

It was the BFEE. zappaman Sep 2014 #99

Funny how you never find anything wrong with the BFEE, zappaman. Octafish Sep 2014 #107

You mean like the Iraq war that every DUer disagreed with including zappaman? nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #117

Got a link for that? Octafish Sep 2014 #122

Pretty lazy, huh? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #123

Tag Team, huh? Octafish Sep 2014 #125

Doesn't take a tag team to show you are making things up again. zappaman Sep 2014 #158

Like where you posted all the negative stuff about the BFEE? Octafish Sep 2014 #161

Check out Octafish's responses throughout the thread from #107 down. Its deliberate. stevenleser Sep 2014 #139

Link for what? nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #126

Where zappaman posted in opposition to the Iraq invasion. Octafish Sep 2014 #128

You are accusing some DUers of being in favor of the Iraq war? You need proof otherwise? stevenleser Sep 2014 #129

No need to write what I didn't. Octafish Sep 2014 #131

You accused Zappaman of not being against anything the BFEE does. Iraq was one of those things. stevenleser Sep 2014 #132

No. That's what you said. Octafish Sep 2014 #133

Your post #107 is only a few above this. Its not like its from another OP. stevenleser Sep 2014 #134

I write about the BFEE and that's embarrassing? Octafish Sep 2014 #135

You suggested Zappaman didnt object to anything about the BFEE. Which he did and obviously so. stevenleser Sep 2014 #138

Right. So he had nothing to say. Seems you don't either. Octafish Sep 2014 #140

We both object to what the BFEE did with Iraq. As I have already told you and was proven. stevenleser Sep 2014 #142

It may satisfy your mind, stevenleser. Octafish Sep 2014 #143

Its in post #123 above. Once again, how many times do we have to post something before it sinks in stevenleser Sep 2014 #146

Except it doesn't show what you said it does. Octafish Sep 2014 #149

OK, lets try this very slowly. stevenleser Sep 2014 #150

Don't need to go slow. Octafish Sep 2014 #166

Sorry dude. zappaman Sep 2014 #163

Brad? Is that an attempt to smear me as Bradblog? Octafish Sep 2014 #167

Don't act like we aren't buds, Brad. zappaman Sep 2014 #168

So who is Brad you refer to? Octafish Sep 2014 #169

Why do you smear DUers, dude? zappaman Sep 2014 #170

Except it's not a smear to point out you defending the BFEE. Octafish Sep 2014 #173

Why do you smear DUers, Brad? zappaman Sep 2014 #174

It's part of a pattern. Octafish Sep 2014 #175

Yes, your smears and dodging of your own words is certainly a pattern. zappaman Sep 2014 #176

Seems like you're on to me. Octafish Sep 2014 #178

We all are, dude. zappaman Sep 2014 #184

You mean, apart from where DUers up and down this thread have shown you? Octafish Sep 2014 #108

All I've ever seen is references to a phone call. One that happened weeks before Yanukovych left. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #111

Preferences? LOL. Octafish Sep 2014 #116

*How* did the "coup" happen? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #119

America's Coup Machine: Destroying Democracy Since 1953 Octafish Sep 2014 #124

Okay. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #136

Nothing you wrote is sourced. Octafish Sep 2014 #141

When we source something, you ignore it and claim several posts later it wasnt sourced. stevenleser Sep 2014 #144

Really? Like Tag Team? Octafish Sep 2014 #148

Really? Like... does a source become invalid if more than one person cites it? stevenleser Sep 2014 #151

Are you disputing the timeline? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #145

No, that's not it. Octafish Sep 2014 #147

It's your theory to prove. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #152

I've posited no theory. Octafish Sep 2014 #153

So how did the CIA remove Yanukovych? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #154

Through covert means. Octafish Sep 2014 #156

Okay, let's look back at the Davies piece, if we must. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #159

That provides 'Plausible Deniability.' Octafish Sep 2014 #160

What provides plausible deniability? The video of Yanukovych packing up and leaving? Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #165

Got nothing? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #177

The CIA’S Mop-Up Man: LA Times Reporter Cleared Stories with Agency before Publication Octafish Sep 2014 #179

And this is proof the CIA faked the videos of Yanukovych how? nt Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #182

Documents CIA manipulation of the media. Octafish Sep 2014 #183

We're talking about a very specific case here. Tommy_Carcetti Sep 2014 #186

I think I can speak for Octafish. zappaman Sep 2014 #187

It is a coup. zappaman Sep 2014 #164

I've learned this much from zappaman... Octafish Sep 2014 #180

You're welcome! zappaman Sep 2014 #185

Basically anyone with any remote ties to US media is a liar. joshcryer Sep 2014 #105

I read that article on another site, today. Parry nails it.... truth2power Sep 2014 #88

Der Spiegel... 9/01/2014 truth2power Sep 2014 #89

Yes poor innocent little Putin mythology Sep 2014 #95

I keep losing track of the reasons for the invasion of Crimea and Ukraine davidpdx Sep 2014 #106

And that shows you exactly what's going on here. An unprovoked war of aggression by Russia they stevenleser Sep 2014 #115

Recommend....Good Read KoKo Sep 2014 #137

Has anyone pointed out that the USA has a firm hand on its own backyard? flamingdem Sep 2014 #155

Nothing about the US will justify an unprovoked war of aggression by Russia against Ukraine. nt stevenleser Sep 2014 #171

I'm not trying to justify anything flamingdem Sep 2014 #172

Are we going to try to fix our economy by going back to the cold war era? I don't think it is going jwirr Sep 2014 #157

aaaaaand ........... one more kick! nt. polly7 Sep 2014 #162

He thinks less of our media than I do. nt kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #181