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Erose999

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100. Status quo is not an improvement. Has ANY US intervention is the Middle East ever improved anything?

Reply to MohRokTah (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 23, 2014, 10:03 AM

Sep 2014

I'm inclined to say NO.

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OK, we started bombing a new country. Straight up or down: do you support it? [View all] Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 OP

Couldn't you wait until all the facts were in....you decided in an hour with limited information? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #1

Um...for what? To see what flavor the bombs are? To see if they're the new kind Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #3

Perhaps to see who is doing what? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #5

Let me go back to DU in 2003 to see if anyone waited for "who was doing what." nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #9

in less than an hour? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #15

Maybe you're right. Maybe we're dropping pillows and blankies on them. nt Dreamer Tatum Sep 2014 #17

So you object to the US harming members of ISIL? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #42

When did we invent bombs that only hurt those we deem to be "bad guys"? Scootaloo Sep 2014 #56

Same time we invented the "click your heels together three times and the geek tragedy Sep 2014 #59

That doesn't even make any sense, geek. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #62

that's the nature of any weapon. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #64

Why can't Iraq bomb them? Its their fucking country. They will have to have their training wheels Erose999 Sep 2014 #97

We bomb, they fight on the ground. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #113

We are bombing both ISIL AND a "new" Al-Quada "affiliated" group in Syria. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2014 #130

Your point being . . . ? nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #131

The US is doing it, oh bright one. morningfog Sep 2014 #10

And if Arab Nations feel threatened and THEY are bombing.....bright one? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #14

Then no need for us to be there, nor does it legalize our involvement. morningfog Sep 2014 #18

Uh Bright one....we OWN Iraq because we broke it AND we do have American lives there.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #20

This tired and tortured bullshit. morningfog Sep 2014 #22

We broke it....its vulnerable to ISIL....we have to defend what little bullshit govt they have VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #28

You keep saying "we" Union Scribe Sep 2014 #33

My father was career military.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #52

I am not part of this "we" that broke Iraq, is anyone else here? That shit is 100% not my fault. Erose999 Sep 2014 #99

It's what we are dealing with by choice. We chose to join this bloody and long civil war. morningfog Sep 2014 #34

Yes....WE did... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #54

No Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #47

we own Iraq? Just holy shit. cali Sep 2014 #91

Neocolonialism. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #108

you can be tired all you want VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #126

so try to learn to distinguish between fact and opinion, Vanilla. cali Sep 2014 #127

that is what i was addressing VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #128

We are killing them. grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #101

Food Network doesn't take an hour. Come ON! NYC_SKP Sep 2014 #4

What the fuck? What rock have you been under for the past month? morningfog Sep 2014 #8

Uh you realize I got a hide for saying the EXACT phrase you just said.... VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #12

So alert? morningfog Sep 2014 #16

what facts are you talking about? cali Sep 2014 #90

We still don't have all the facts about our bombing of North Vietnam. Jim Lane Sep 2014 #124

Iraq maybe, Syria hell fucking no Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #2

and if the other Arab nations are feeling like they need to kick some ISIL ass before they become VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #7

Yes and not just the Arab nations, Iran can fight them too if they want Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #30

How do you know they are not yet? VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #31

I didn't say they aren't, I'm just saying we don't need to get in the middle of it Hippo_Tron Sep 2014 #36

If the Arab nations insist because they don't want to appear to be taking responsibility for the VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #38

"kick some ISIL ass". that level of "thinking" is just sad. cali Sep 2014 #93

Right up there with "Kick Their Ass and Steal Their Gas" signs... WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2014 #129

No sense letting them have all that sanctuary creeksneakers2 Sep 2014 #6

Fuck no. morningfog Sep 2014 #11

I do support it Dwayne Hicks Sep 2014 #13

Here ya go Caretha Sep 2014 #88

HERP to the mutha fucking derp bobduca Sep 2014 #104

Do you think Syria's allies Feral Child Sep 2014 #119

I'm sick whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #19

so anyone who disagrees with you on bombing ISIS is an idiot? Hmm. nt geek tragedy Sep 2014 #41

Heard that one before whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #45

so your position is that every time that US bombs anyone, it's an unqualified act of pure geek tragedy Sep 2014 #46

Most the time, yes. whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #55

"more death and terror on the world than any other nation ever has" geek tragedy Sep 2014 #58

I am opposed to our current actions overseas. NCTraveler Sep 2014 #116

Yes, I admit it was way hyperbolic whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #122

Have our airstrikes ever improved the Middle East? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #21

Yes. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #39

You're reaching badly. What the hell did that achieve? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #63

Maintaining the status quo was the best available option. Otherwise, you'd ahve what we have now. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #68

Going back to my point, what has bombing every improved in the Mid East? LittleBlue Sep 2014 #70

And bombing DID improve the situation. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #74

Yeah sure LittleBlue Sep 2014 #75

I proved my point. Bombing Iraq under Clinton improved the situation in the Middle East. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #80

Status quo is not an improvement. Has ANY US intervention is the Middle East ever improved anything? Erose999 Sep 2014 #100

Didn't our policies lead to 9-11, and the Middle East falling apart? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #110

"We could have stepped in...in a coup maneuver..." Comrade Grumpy Sep 2014 #121

No. I do not support invading the sovereignty of any other nation that we are not at war with. kelliekat44 Sep 2014 #23

PNAC has posted their agenda Aerows Sep 2014 #29

Not just no Aerows Sep 2014 #24

Pass, because there is a lot going on that I do not know about. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #25

Lol. Union Scribe Sep 2014 #53

because most of the hair on fire rhetoric is coming from those opposed. geek tragedy Sep 2014 #57

Against Algernon Moncrieff Sep 2014 #26

Waiting for details.. too many different stories Peacetrain Sep 2014 #27

should FDR's dehousing-Germany strategy be copied in Syria? quadrature Sep 2014 #32

Actually the carpet bombing of Germany was the brainchild of the UK Cali_Democrat Sep 2014 #83

I trust Obama to do the right thing. Nye Bevan Sep 2014 #35

... woo me with science Sep 2014 #92

It's the only available strategy. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #37

Bullshit on tap whatchamacallit Sep 2014 #40

I have come up with an analogy....think of those guys at the Cliven Bundy Ranch VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #43

Well said. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #44

Aw, war buddies. nt Union Scribe Sep 2014 #48

. MohRokTah Sep 2014 #50

The key word is "over there". Its not our circus and those are not our monkeys. As for the Bundy Erose999 Sep 2014 #102

uh some of us went there and are now back.. VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #112

And now you want to go back for more? I don't think most who've been there would cosign that stateme Erose999 Sep 2014 #114

how do you consider it the same VanillaRhapsody Sep 2014 #117

Personally, no. But if the administration were concerned about genocide, they'd have intervened in Erose999 Sep 2014 #118

I'm usually not wishy-washy on these things but I'm not sure on this one. BlueJazz Sep 2014 #49

No, because I can't imagine bombs raining down on me ecstatic Sep 2014 #51

+10000000 nt Mnemosyne Sep 2014 #60

likewise, i can't imagine being beheaded on youtube. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #61

I agree with some of what you've said ecstatic Sep 2014 #66

Agree sort of, also. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #71

I blame pretty much all Americans MattBaggins Sep 2014 #69

No. Not all cheered. I recall the tens of thousands who protested. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #72

I said almost all MattBaggins Sep 2014 #79

yes. I hear ya and you are right. So many fools. misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #82

I'm sure you'd be just as dead as if they'd shot you. The beheadings are just theatre for shock Erose999 Sep 2014 #109

Yes as of right now based on the Arab coalition. nt. Hosnon Sep 2014 #65

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?? paid shills?? I was kinda thinking the same thing misterhighwasted Sep 2014 #76

We live in a propaganda state. woo me with science Sep 2014 #96

I'm guessing a paid shill alerted it. bobduca Sep 2014 #106

Well, the personas now are of sufficient numbers woo me with science Sep 2014 #111

How will we pay for it??? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #73

Only 2 ways to go here LittleBlue Sep 2014 #77

Special tax on those that can afford it, too much to ask? grahamhgreen Sep 2014 #78

at the very least, we could heavily tax profiteering from war. grasswire Sep 2014 #84

Indeed. People fret about conditions in Syria as their neighbors are starving and homeless. Erose999 Sep 2014 #115

when you get a some shit on you, unblock Sep 2014 #81

"The more you stir in a pile of shit Aerows Sep 2014 #123

I am firmly conflicted Douglas Carpenter Sep 2014 #85

... countryjake Sep 2014 #86

I'm ambivilent, but the question is not quite accurate. Threedifferentones Sep 2014 #87

We bombed Raqqa and Aleppo. Most of the population in both cities is civilian cali Sep 2014 #94

bad idea, won't work KG Sep 2014 #89

I would probably not "support" bombing anyone. Orsino Sep 2014 #95

I do not support it (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #98

Choice of devils. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2014 #103

I wish there were a better way treestar Sep 2014 #105

I don't know - and I hope this doesn't mean that I 'm a Monday morning quarterback hedgehog Sep 2014 #107

Against. Feral Child Sep 2014 #120

Not just no, a big hell fucking no!!! Initech Sep 2014 #125

No no no. cwydro Sep 2014 #132