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Shankapotomus

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Sat Sep 27, 2014, 08:55 AM Sep 2014

Is all out bombing worth it? [View all]

The U.S. has devoted a fortune in lives, treasure and time to Iraq with little to no return. In fact, it can be argued the region is worse.

For what we already gave to not only Iraq, but the region, we should have a stable Middle East.

We don't.

It seems whether we continue with our past bombing strategy or stay completely out of the conflicts in the regions, people are going die. They are going to die at the hands of ISIL and the various unending conflicts that engulf the region. Or they are going to die under the past and current level of our bombing campaigns.


If ISIL or any of the various extremists of the region win out, it can be expected that the people of the region will suffer indefinitely under the restraints of a cruel ideology.

So with all that suffering and dying lying ahead of us no matter what we do or don't do, can a case be made for ending the conflicts once and for all with the threat or use of our superior strength (not necessarily our nuclear arsenal) as we did in World War Two?

Such an all out war doesn't have to mean bombing civilians but it could mean taking a heavier hand on extremists and their sympathizes than we have and outlawing extremist ideologies as was Nazism in Germany. In addition, getting the UN to create a referendum to outlaw all armies, both national and private in the regions, with that eventually being applied world wide except for a global UN peace keeping force.

As distasteful as an all out war was, it did put an end to the conflict and the ideology that gave rise to it and it did it all on multiple fronts within 6 years. And for all the expense of World War Two, yes, including selling their souls to the devil, the allies got what they wanted out of it in the end.

Can we say the same? We've already bombed. We've already sold our souls to get rid of these terrorists and they're still fucking here.

If we're going to sell our souls anyway should we not go all the way in order to get the return we are looking for?

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Is all out bombing worth it? [View all] Shankapotomus Sep 2014 OP
Your assumption seems to be that more bombing will indeed get the "return" merrily Sep 2014 #1
It can be said the allies didn't care two bits Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #3
Well, that and a million other differences between then and now and merrily Sep 2014 #17
I'm going to ask all who prefer a different way Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #6
How? 99Forever Sep 2014 #11
Good point /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #14
Here's my plan: nightscanner59 Sep 2014 #15
Put them all to sleep? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #16
My plan.... porn.... Bigmack Sep 2014 #35
It will probably work /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #47
Can we ask you the same question? Because I don't think your "solution" works. merrily Sep 2014 #18
Well, I think you're right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #20
Thank you, but I don't know if it is necessarily so that merrily Sep 2014 #21
Putin can play Stalin gwheezie Sep 2014 #2
I am partial to staying out of it too Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #12
Please don't use women and homosexuals to justify bombing the Middle East. merrily Sep 2014 #22
Of course Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #24
Sure, but that is another subject, not related to more or less bombing. merrily Sep 2014 #26
In Sadmas Iraq women had rights, they were governed under civil law same as the men. Autumn Sep 2014 #29
so when do we start bombing Saudi Arabia and Qatar? cali Sep 2014 #36
WWII has few, if any, parallels to this mess... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4
Also, bear in mind that Germany was a major industrial power CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7
As was Japan. And Nazism was... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #9
I drafted my replies 17 and 18 before seeing this post. merrily Sep 2014 #19
You're right that there was a lot going on before 9/11... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #25
As my Reply 18 suggests WWI likely contributed to the rise of Hitler and merrily Sep 2014 #28
Oh, there's no doubt that there's a direct connection... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #31
And another reason was probably the desire to avoid another uprising merrily Sep 2014 #33
No (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #5
After what bushco did madokie Sep 2014 #8
This is all about oil. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #10
Only to the bomb-makers. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2014 #13
Yep GummyBearz Sep 2014 #23
For better or worse customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #27
That's an amazingly valid point Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #32
It manifests itself in other ways customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #39
Now I see why it's taking so long Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #43
It's what will happen eventually customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #44
That was stupid of Hitler, wasn't it? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #45
He had extreme disdain customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #48
The comparison of the Nazis to ISIS is ludicrous cali Sep 2014 #30
I believe you are probably right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #38
It would be like using a sledgehammer to slap mosquitoes. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #34
+1.. our actions remind me of Elmer Fudd SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #49
At $7.5 million per cruise missile, you bet your sweet taxpayer it is. Octafish Sep 2014 #37
Ah, I see you are on top of things Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #40
You are most welcome, Shankapotomus. Thank you for a very important OP and thread. Octafish Sep 2014 #42
It wouldn't end it once and for all. Or are you suggesting bombing cali Sep 2014 #41
Not anymore Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #46
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