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TreasonousBastard

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4. WWII has few, if any, parallels to this mess...

Sat Sep 27, 2014, 09:27 AM

Sep 2014

We were fighting a distinct enemy for distinct goals, and the country was on a total war economy for the effort.

We didn't have much of a stomach to enter that war until Pearl Harbor, but you'll note that even after 9/11 we don't have a draft or a fully supported effort to go in there and take over the ME. We did go in and topple Saddam, who had nothing to do with 9/11, and we farted around in Afghanistan without really changing anything.

A lot of death, destruction, and broken lives but no Marshall Plan. War is always confusing and shit happens, but the incompetence and corruption in our response to 9/11 is staggering. All that horror over there and nothing, NOTHING, has been accomplished when you get right down to it.

Obama has done a little to help straighten it all out, but I can't imagine anyone doing enough.

So, al-Qaeda started this mess, but we compounded it immeasurably and now have the choice to fully invade and take it all over, which is not a choice, or just walk away.

One is impossible, and the other is immoral.

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Is all out bombing worth it? [View all] Shankapotomus Sep 2014 OP

Your assumption seems to be that more bombing will indeed get the "return" merrily Sep 2014 #1

It can be said the allies didn't care two bits Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #3

Well, that and a million other differences between then and now and merrily Sep 2014 #17

I'm going to ask all who prefer a different way Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #6

How? 99Forever Sep 2014 #11

Good point /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #14

Here's my plan: nightscanner59 Sep 2014 #15

Put them all to sleep? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #16

My plan.... porn.... Bigmack Sep 2014 #35

It will probably work /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #47

Can we ask you the same question? Because I don't think your "solution" works. merrily Sep 2014 #18

Well, I think you're right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #20

Thank you, but I don't know if it is necessarily so that merrily Sep 2014 #21

Putin can play Stalin gwheezie Sep 2014 #2

I am partial to staying out of it too Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #12

Please don't use women and homosexuals to justify bombing the Middle East. merrily Sep 2014 #22

Of course Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #24

Sure, but that is another subject, not related to more or less bombing. merrily Sep 2014 #26

In Sadmas Iraq women had rights, they were governed under civil law same as the men. Autumn Sep 2014 #29

so when do we start bombing Saudi Arabia and Qatar? cali Sep 2014 #36

WWII has few, if any, parallels to this mess... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4

Also, bear in mind that Germany was a major industrial power CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7

As was Japan. And Nazism was... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #9

I drafted my replies 17 and 18 before seeing this post. merrily Sep 2014 #19

You're right that there was a lot going on before 9/11... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #25

As my Reply 18 suggests WWI likely contributed to the rise of Hitler and merrily Sep 2014 #28

Oh, there's no doubt that there's a direct connection... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #31

And another reason was probably the desire to avoid another uprising merrily Sep 2014 #33

No (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #5

After what bushco did madokie Sep 2014 #8

This is all about oil. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #10

Only to the bomb-makers. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2014 #13

Yep GummyBearz Sep 2014 #23

For better or worse customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #27

That's an amazingly valid point Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #32

It manifests itself in other ways customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #39

Now I see why it's taking so long Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #43

It's what will happen eventually customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #44

That was stupid of Hitler, wasn't it? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #45

He had extreme disdain customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #48

The comparison of the Nazis to ISIS is ludicrous cali Sep 2014 #30

I believe you are probably right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #38

It would be like using a sledgehammer to slap mosquitoes. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #34

+1.. our actions remind me of Elmer Fudd SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #49

At $7.5 million per cruise missile, you bet your sweet taxpayer it is. Octafish Sep 2014 #37

Ah, I see you are on top of things Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #40

You are most welcome, Shankapotomus. Thank you for a very important OP and thread. Octafish Sep 2014 #42

It wouldn't end it once and for all. Or are you suggesting bombing cali Sep 2014 #41

Not anymore Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #46