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customerserviceguy

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27. For better or worse
Sat Sep 27, 2014, 12:09 PM
Sep 2014

we simply don't have what it takes to fight the way we did in WWII. Some see that as a positive thing, some (myself included) see that as a negative thing, and yet others don't think about it until its their lives that are personally affected. Seeing the Cold War end without an actual WWIII being fought simply solidified the "we can do this surgically" idea that still pervades the highest levels of our military.

We don't have generals who know what it is to win a war decisively, how would you expect them to develop that mentality? WWII had plenty of experienced officers who knew what victory in WWI looked like and how to achieve it.

We've possibly "outgrown" total war, and are willing to take the civilian casualties that result from limited warfare. Can you imagine a modern President doing what FDR did with Executive Order 9066, and rounding up all Islamic people in the US? Or even a lesser measure, such as rounding up all Islamic people in our Armed Forces, and quarantining them, that surely would have stopped Nidal Hasan's massacre, but we're satisfied with simply dealing with the aftermath of the tragedy rather than preventing it.

I argue that since we no longer have the will to truly win a war, and our enemies all know that if they prolong one long enough we will tire of it, and they will win, that we simply avoid getting into one wherever possible. Sometimes there will be notable exceptions, but they would be rare.

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Is all out bombing worth it? [View all] Shankapotomus Sep 2014 OP
Your assumption seems to be that more bombing will indeed get the "return" merrily Sep 2014 #1
It can be said the allies didn't care two bits Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #3
Well, that and a million other differences between then and now and merrily Sep 2014 #17
I'm going to ask all who prefer a different way Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #6
How? 99Forever Sep 2014 #11
Good point /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #14
Here's my plan: nightscanner59 Sep 2014 #15
Put them all to sleep? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #16
My plan.... porn.... Bigmack Sep 2014 #35
It will probably work /nt Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #47
Can we ask you the same question? Because I don't think your "solution" works. merrily Sep 2014 #18
Well, I think you're right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #20
Thank you, but I don't know if it is necessarily so that merrily Sep 2014 #21
Putin can play Stalin gwheezie Sep 2014 #2
I am partial to staying out of it too Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #12
Please don't use women and homosexuals to justify bombing the Middle East. merrily Sep 2014 #22
Of course Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #24
Sure, but that is another subject, not related to more or less bombing. merrily Sep 2014 #26
In Sadmas Iraq women had rights, they were governed under civil law same as the men. Autumn Sep 2014 #29
so when do we start bombing Saudi Arabia and Qatar? cali Sep 2014 #36
WWII has few, if any, parallels to this mess... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #4
Also, bear in mind that Germany was a major industrial power CJCRANE Sep 2014 #7
As was Japan. And Nazism was... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #9
I drafted my replies 17 and 18 before seeing this post. merrily Sep 2014 #19
You're right that there was a lot going on before 9/11... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #25
As my Reply 18 suggests WWI likely contributed to the rise of Hitler and merrily Sep 2014 #28
Oh, there's no doubt that there's a direct connection... TreasonousBastard Sep 2014 #31
And another reason was probably the desire to avoid another uprising merrily Sep 2014 #33
No (nt) bigwillq Sep 2014 #5
After what bushco did madokie Sep 2014 #8
This is all about oil. Le Taz Hot Sep 2014 #10
Only to the bomb-makers. (n/t) Iggo Sep 2014 #13
Yep GummyBearz Sep 2014 #23
For better or worse customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #27
That's an amazingly valid point Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #32
It manifests itself in other ways customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #39
Now I see why it's taking so long Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #43
It's what will happen eventually customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #44
That was stupid of Hitler, wasn't it? Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #45
He had extreme disdain customerserviceguy Sep 2014 #48
The comparison of the Nazis to ISIS is ludicrous cali Sep 2014 #30
I believe you are probably right Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #38
It would be like using a sledgehammer to slap mosquitoes. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2014 #34
+1.. our actions remind me of Elmer Fudd SomethingFishy Sep 2014 #49
At $7.5 million per cruise missile, you bet your sweet taxpayer it is. Octafish Sep 2014 #37
Ah, I see you are on top of things Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #40
You are most welcome, Shankapotomus. Thank you for a very important OP and thread. Octafish Sep 2014 #42
It wouldn't end it once and for all. Or are you suggesting bombing cali Sep 2014 #41
Not anymore Shankapotomus Sep 2014 #46
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