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Octafish

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24. Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change. (Boston Globe)
Mon Oct 20, 2014, 10:06 AM
Oct 2014

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The people we elect aren’t the ones calling the shots, says Tufts University’s Michael Glennon

By Jordan Michael Smith
The Boston Globe, OCTOBER 19, 2014

THE VOTERS WHO put Barack Obama in office expected some big changes. From the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping to Guantanamo Bay to the Patriot Act, candidate Obama was a defender of civil liberties and privacy, promising a dramatically different approach from his predecessor.

But six years into his administration, the Obama version of national security looks almost indistinguishable from the one he inherited. Guantanamo Bay remains open. The NSA has, if anything, become more aggressive in monitoring Americans. Drone strikes have escalated. Most recently it was reported that the same president who won a Nobel Prize in part for promoting nuclear disarmament is spending up to $1 trillion modernizing and revitalizing America’s nuclear weapons.

Why did the face in the Oval Office change but the policies remain the same? Critics tend to focus on Obama himself, a leader who perhaps has shifted with politics to take a harder line. But Tufts University political scientist Michael J. Glennon has a more pessimistic answer: Obama couldn’t have changed policies much even if he tried.

Though it’s a bedrock American principle that citizens can steer their own government by electing new officials, Glennon suggests that in practice, much of our government no longer works that way. In a new book, “National Security and Double Government,” he catalogs the ways that the defense and national security apparatus is effectively self-governing, with virtually no accountability, transparency, or checks and balances of any kind. He uses the term “double government”: There’s the one we elect, and then there’s the one behind it, steering huge swaths of policy almost unchecked. Elected officials end up serving as mere cover for the real decisions made by the bureaucracy.

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How exactly has double government taken hold? And what can be done about it? Glennon spoke with Ideas from his office at Tufts’ Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy. This interview has been condensed and edited.

IDEAS: Where does the term “double government” come from?

GLENNON: It comes from Walter Bagehot’s famous theory, unveiled in the 1860s. Bagehot was the scholar who presided over the birth of the Economist magazine—they still have a column named after him. Bagehot tried to explain in his book “The English Constitution” how the British government worked. He suggested that there are two sets of institutions. There are the “dignified institutions,” the monarchy and the House of Lords, which people erroneously believed ran the government. But he suggested that there was in reality a second set of institutions, which he referred to as the “efficient institutions,” that actually set governmental policy. And those were the House of Commons, the prime minister, and the British cabinet.

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The fact that those responsible for the deaths of more than 4,500 Americans and a million more innocent people killed in illegal, immoral, unnecessary and disastrous wars for profit have not been prosecuted is proof ours no longer is a republic. Thank you, democrank, for understanding what the real situation and our seemingly everlasting crisis are

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K&R n/t Feral Child Oct 2014 #1
Proof that Power, Money and Crushing Dissent Are NSA’s Real Motives for Spying Octafish Oct 2014 #3
When Ashcroft, Bush, et.al... came out with.... ReRe Oct 2014 #13
I saw him on Up malaise Oct 2014 #23
Recommended. H2O Man Oct 2014 #2
War Inc is friend to Empire, not Democracy Octafish Oct 2014 #6
T Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower all tried to rid the country of the post-war war machine librechik Oct 2014 #25
I believe unknowingly, defacto7 Oct 2014 #66
yes, exactly!--once they discovered how much money and power it gave them librechik Oct 2014 #70
+1 nashville_brook Oct 2014 #21
Everyone should know just how much the government lied to defend the NSA Octafish Oct 2014 #73
with bushieboy and darth heaven05 Oct 2014 #4
Carlyle Group owns Booz Allen Hamilton, NSA's go-to contractor. Octafish Oct 2014 #9
thank you heaven05 Oct 2014 #12
And don't forget how former Booz Allen CEO is now the lying head of the NSA. Conflict of interest sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #58
Well said, sabrina 1! Octafish Oct 2014 #74
Forgot to mention: Cheney spearheaded the privatization of Pentagon profits for BFEE Octafish Oct 2014 #76
It is truly sickening. It is obvious to anyone now that the wars they drag this country into sabrina 1 Oct 2014 #82
Did not know that. Thanks. Wella Oct 2014 #91
It always comes back to the military industrial complex that we were warned of. zeemike Oct 2014 #5
It seems they've got a special focus on enemies domestic. Octafish Oct 2014 #10
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We've got domestic enemies alright... ReRe Oct 2014 #17
i just listened to an interview with Dave Lindorff nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #30
Department of Homeland Security Brands ThisCantBeHappening! a ‘Threat’ Octafish Oct 2014 #36
They hate the new Iphone. We aren't supposed to have anything that can keep them from searching us. L0oniX Oct 2014 #39
Interesting thanks. zeemike Oct 2014 #46
Huge K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #7
Remember when Blackwater threatened to kill State Department inspector in Iraq? RISEN told us... Octafish Oct 2014 #15
Yep... I Do... WillyT Oct 2014 #19
But.. But.. Judith Miller Fumesucker Oct 2014 #8
Jeff Gerth, meet Judith Miller Octafish Oct 2014 #11
While I can't H2O Man Oct 2014 #43
I don't think they feel they need to fake evidence any more. zeemike Oct 2014 #47
K&R.... daleanime Oct 2014 #16
Leaked documents expose secret contracts between NSA and tech companies Octafish Oct 2014 #48
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Sen. Prescott Bush, Sr. talked about Iraq's oil reserves back in 1959... Octafish Oct 2014 #60
The prolongation of the mercenary class/top secret everything is deeply troubling to me. democrank Oct 2014 #20
Vote all you want. The secret government won’t change. (Boston Globe) Octafish Oct 2014 #24
Expect the usual attacks because this info discourages voting. L0oniX Oct 2014 #37
this is actually the point where we need POTUS to fulfill the promise of transparency nashville_brook Oct 2014 #40
I think you missed the point here. It appears that Pres Obama doesn't have the power rhett o rick Oct 2014 #51
Eggzaklee! Scuba Oct 2014 #56
The first mistake the citizens make... SHRED Oct 2014 #22
True and before a single shot is fired, somebody's got to pay. Just don't ask for an accounting... Octafish Oct 2014 #87
It's been "permanent" for a long while already... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #26
Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Oct 2014 #88
The fact that they can keep files locked for 50 years says a lot about how little we are allowed to liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #27
Answers sought on CIA role in ‘78 JFK probe Octafish Oct 2014 #89
And guess what? Obama has little or no control over them... nt kelliekat44 Oct 2014 #28
POTUS has no real power? Well I figured that anyway. L0oniX Oct 2014 #34
Which would explain why Gov. Don Siegelman's in prison and George W Bush is not. Octafish Oct 2014 #50
k/r you rock Octafish nationalize the fed Oct 2014 #29
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Oct 2014 #31
In general, the Founding Fathers did not even want us to have a standing army, JDPriestly Oct 2014 #32
Where Democracy, freedom, privacy goes to die ...USA L0oniX Oct 2014 #33
K&R for the original post and subsequent informative posts and links. JEB Oct 2014 #35
Perpetual war is good for the economy. raouldukelives Oct 2014 #38
There's a certain voice conspicuously missing from this thread hootinholler Oct 2014 #41
"a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design" johnnyreb Oct 2014 #42
Blackwater & Co. 99th_Monkey Oct 2014 #44
Back to the top with this incredibly important story. BIG K&R nt riderinthestorm Oct 2014 #45
k&r Electric Monk Oct 2014 #49
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wholehearted kick. thx Octafish nt navarth Oct 2014 #54
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Kick. Thanks Octafish. Scuba Oct 2014 #57
With US-led air strikes on ISIS intensifying, it’s a good time to be an arms giant Octafish Oct 2014 #77
It’s always good time to be an arms giant. Scuba Oct 2014 #80
A little late maybe, but another K&R dgauss Oct 2014 #59
''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Oct 2014 #69
War is here to stay. Too much PROFIT to be had. And, yeah, we'll all be starving penniless in the blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #61
''War is a Racket.'' Octafish Oct 2014 #68
This story should be front page stuff across the country. JEB Oct 2014 #62
+1 woo me with science Oct 2014 #63
Well, look what Risen has been facing. woo me with science Oct 2014 #64
Yet the Democratic Party resists any attempt to bring these toxic agencies under control. eom whereisjustice Oct 2014 #65
The Church Committee - the last time they tried. Octafish Oct 2014 #67
What's worse... CanSocDem Oct 2014 #71
Always worth a trip back to the links.....to refresh the dot connections. KoKo Oct 2014 #75
Great post. Thanks! whereisjustice Oct 2014 #81
K&R woo me with science Oct 2014 #72
K&R .. thanks Octafish wavesofeuphoria Oct 2014 #78
DURec leftstreet Oct 2014 #79
k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2014 #83
"But some have seen this national security crisis as a financial opportunity, Risen said." suffragette Oct 2014 #84
It is clear traitors use the state to make war and enrich themselves. Octafish Oct 2014 #85
Sad, but oh so true. suffragette Oct 2014 #90
but doing that would destroy the facade that it's us vs. them! Puzzledtraveller Oct 2014 #86
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