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In reply to the discussion: Journalist Risen: 'Mercenary Class' Now Permanent Fixture in National Security State [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)73. Everyone should know just how much the government lied to defend the NSA
A web of deception has finally been untangled: the Justice Department got the US supreme court to dismiss a case that could have curtailed the NSA's dragnet. Why?
Trevor Timm
theguardian.com, Saturday 17 May 2014
If you blinked this week, you might have missed the news: two Senators accused the Justice Department of lying about NSA warrantless surveillance to the US supreme court last year, and those falsehoods all but ensured that mass spying on Americans would continue. But hardly anyone seems to care least of all those who lied and who should have already come forward with the truth.
Here's what happened: just before Edward Snowden became a household name, the ACLU argued before the supreme court that the Fisa Amendments Act one of the two main laws used by the NSA to conduct mass surveillance was unconstitutional.
In a sharply divided opinion, the supreme court ruled, 5-4, that the case should be dismissed because the plaintiffs didn't have "standing" in other words, that the ACLU couldn't prove with near-certainty that their clients, which included journalists and human rights advocates, were targets of surveillance, so they couldn't challenge the law. As the New York Times noted this week, the court relied on two claims by the Justice Department to support their ruling: 1) that the NSA would only get the content of Americans' communications without a warrant when they are targeting a foreigner abroad for surveillance, and 2) that the Justice Department would notify criminal defendants who have been spied on under the Fisa Amendments Act, so there exists some way to challenge the law in court.
It turns out that neither of those statements were true but it took Snowden's historic whistleblowing to prove it.
CONTINUED...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/17/government-lies-nsa-justice-department-supreme-court
In this case, at least, "Why?" is more essential to know than "Follow the money."
Trevor Timm
theguardian.com, Saturday 17 May 2014
If you blinked this week, you might have missed the news: two Senators accused the Justice Department of lying about NSA warrantless surveillance to the US supreme court last year, and those falsehoods all but ensured that mass spying on Americans would continue. But hardly anyone seems to care least of all those who lied and who should have already come forward with the truth.
Here's what happened: just before Edward Snowden became a household name, the ACLU argued before the supreme court that the Fisa Amendments Act one of the two main laws used by the NSA to conduct mass surveillance was unconstitutional.
In a sharply divided opinion, the supreme court ruled, 5-4, that the case should be dismissed because the plaintiffs didn't have "standing" in other words, that the ACLU couldn't prove with near-certainty that their clients, which included journalists and human rights advocates, were targets of surveillance, so they couldn't challenge the law. As the New York Times noted this week, the court relied on two claims by the Justice Department to support their ruling: 1) that the NSA would only get the content of Americans' communications without a warrant when they are targeting a foreigner abroad for surveillance, and 2) that the Justice Department would notify criminal defendants who have been spied on under the Fisa Amendments Act, so there exists some way to challenge the law in court.
It turns out that neither of those statements were true but it took Snowden's historic whistleblowing to prove it.
CONTINUED...
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/17/government-lies-nsa-justice-department-supreme-court
In this case, at least, "Why?" is more essential to know than "Follow the money."
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Journalist Risen: 'Mercenary Class' Now Permanent Fixture in National Security State [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2014
OP
T Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower all tried to rid the country of the post-war war machine
librechik
Oct 2014
#25
And don't forget how former Booz Allen CEO is now the lying head of the NSA. Conflict of interest
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#58
Forgot to mention: Cheney spearheaded the privatization of Pentagon profits for BFEE
Octafish
Oct 2014
#76
It is truly sickening. It is obvious to anyone now that the wars they drag this country into
sabrina 1
Oct 2014
#82
They hate the new Iphone. We aren't supposed to have anything that can keep them from searching us.
L0oniX
Oct 2014
#39
Remember when Blackwater threatened to kill State Department inspector in Iraq? RISEN told us...
Octafish
Oct 2014
#15
The prolongation of the mercenary class/top secret everything is deeply troubling to me.
democrank
Oct 2014
#20
this is actually the point where we need POTUS to fulfill the promise of transparency
nashville_brook
Oct 2014
#40
I think you missed the point here. It appears that Pres Obama doesn't have the power
rhett o rick
Oct 2014
#51
True and before a single shot is fired, somebody's got to pay. Just don't ask for an accounting...
Octafish
Oct 2014
#87
The fact that they can keep files locked for 50 years says a lot about how little we are allowed to
liberal_at_heart
Oct 2014
#27
Which would explain why Gov. Don Siegelman's in prison and George W Bush is not.
Octafish
Oct 2014
#50
In general, the Founding Fathers did not even want us to have a standing army,
JDPriestly
Oct 2014
#32
"a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design"
johnnyreb
Oct 2014
#42
With US-led air strikes on ISIS intensifying, it’s a good time to be an arms giant
Octafish
Oct 2014
#77
''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
Octafish
Oct 2014
#69
War is here to stay. Too much PROFIT to be had. And, yeah, we'll all be starving penniless in the
blkmusclmachine
Oct 2014
#61
Yet the Democratic Party resists any attempt to bring these toxic agencies under control. eom
whereisjustice
Oct 2014
#65
"But some have seen this national security crisis as a financial opportunity, Risen said."
suffragette
Oct 2014
#84