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In reply to the discussion: Journalist Risen: 'Mercenary Class' Now Permanent Fixture in National Security State [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)88. Nov. 22, 1963
Exit Strategy: In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam
In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam.
James K. Galbraith
September 01, 2003
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(John M.) Newmans argument was not a case of counterfactual historical reasoning, as Larry Berman described it in an early response.2 It was not about what might have happened had Kennedy lived. Newmans argument was stronger: Kennedy, he claims, had decided to begin a phased withdrawal from Vietnam, that he had ordered this withdrawal to begin. Here is the chronology, according to Newman:
(1) On October 2, 1963, Kennedy received the report of a mission to Saigon by McNamara and Maxwell Taylor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The main recommendations, which appear in Section I(B) of the McNamara-Taylor report, were that a phased withdrawal be completed by the end of 1965 and that the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1,000 out of 17,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963. At Kennedys instruction, Press Secretary Pierre Salinger made a public announcement that evening of McNamaras recommended timetable for withdrawal.
(2) On October 5, Kennedy made his formal decision. Newman quotes the minutes of the meeting that day:
The passage illustrates two points: (a) that a decision was in fact made on that day, and (b) that despite the earlier announcement of McNamaras recommendation, the October 5 decision was not a ruse or pressure tactic to win reforms from Diem (as Richard Reeves, among others, has contended 3) but a decision to begin withdrawal irrespective of Diem or his reactions.
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In 1963, JFK ordered a complete withdrawal from Vietnam.
James K. Galbraith
September 01, 2003
EXCERPT...
(John M.) Newmans argument was not a case of counterfactual historical reasoning, as Larry Berman described it in an early response.2 It was not about what might have happened had Kennedy lived. Newmans argument was stronger: Kennedy, he claims, had decided to begin a phased withdrawal from Vietnam, that he had ordered this withdrawal to begin. Here is the chronology, according to Newman:
(1) On October 2, 1963, Kennedy received the report of a mission to Saigon by McNamara and Maxwell Taylor, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (JCS). The main recommendations, which appear in Section I(B) of the McNamara-Taylor report, were that a phased withdrawal be completed by the end of 1965 and that the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1,000 out of 17,000 U.S. military personnel stationed in Vietnam by the end of 1963. At Kennedys instruction, Press Secretary Pierre Salinger made a public announcement that evening of McNamaras recommended timetable for withdrawal.
(2) On October 5, Kennedy made his formal decision. Newman quotes the minutes of the meeting that day:
The President also said that our decision to remove 1,000 U.S. advisors by December of this year should not be raised formally with Diem. Instead the action should be carried out routinely as part of our general posture of withdrawing people when they are no longer needed. (Emphasis added.)
The passage illustrates two points: (a) that a decision was in fact made on that day, and (b) that despite the earlier announcement of McNamaras recommendation, the October 5 decision was not a ruse or pressure tactic to win reforms from Diem (as Richard Reeves, among others, has contended 3) but a decision to begin withdrawal irrespective of Diem or his reactions.
CONTINUED...
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Journalist Risen: 'Mercenary Class' Now Permanent Fixture in National Security State [View all]
Octafish
Oct 2014
OP
T Roosevelt, Truman, and Eisenhower all tried to rid the country of the post-war war machine
librechik
Oct 2014
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And don't forget how former Booz Allen CEO is now the lying head of the NSA. Conflict of interest
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Forgot to mention: Cheney spearheaded the privatization of Pentagon profits for BFEE
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It is truly sickening. It is obvious to anyone now that the wars they drag this country into
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They hate the new Iphone. We aren't supposed to have anything that can keep them from searching us.
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The prolongation of the mercenary class/top secret everything is deeply troubling to me.
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this is actually the point where we need POTUS to fulfill the promise of transparency
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I think you missed the point here. It appears that Pres Obama doesn't have the power
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True and before a single shot is fired, somebody's got to pay. Just don't ask for an accounting...
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The fact that they can keep files locked for 50 years says a lot about how little we are allowed to
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Which would explain why Gov. Don Siegelman's in prison and George W Bush is not.
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In general, the Founding Fathers did not even want us to have a standing army,
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"a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design"
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With US-led air strikes on ISIS intensifying, it’s a good time to be an arms giant
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''Money trumps peace.'' -- appointed pretzeldent George Walker Bush, Feb. 14, 2007
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War is here to stay. Too much PROFIT to be had. And, yeah, we'll all be starving penniless in the
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Yet the Democratic Party resists any attempt to bring these toxic agencies under control. eom
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