Are either of the Clintons Liberals?

[joshcryer]

135. Welfare passed on the third vote.

Each vote for welfare was more and more conservative. He said it was too conservative. The idea was to give people at the bottom work and education programs. The conservatives gutted it. It was a failure, not a policy he agreed with. Had he held out eventually you'd have seen even worse of a policy. ALEC would've assured that.

To say that Clinton "fought for NAFTA" is patently dishonest. The underpinnings of NAFTA were in place long before Clinton came to power. He wanted to implement stringent jobs programs. It was basically a foregone conclusion that it was going to happen.

NAFTA Krugman agreed with. It's unclear if NAFTA would've been so terrible if, say, Al Gore was the President. It's clear at least that the jobs programs behind NAFTA were not followed by Bush. NAFTA is still wrong. You'll note the OP of this thread doesn't think NAFTA was that bad either. But we're not calling him a neocon.

I don't need to "rehabilitate" them, their record is clear. What I do need to do is remind people that the right wingers conspired, literally conspired, to trash them to the ground, and that ultimately there are so called liberals ignorant of that fact, who carry water for divisive Democrat hating narratives. They win when people don't think there's a difference. There is.