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ozone_man

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155. Wait, is that a trick question?

Fri Nov 14, 2014, 08:17 PM

Nov 2014

Third way Manny is slippery, that's for sure! I think the poll is well stated. Everyone has their own definition of liberal, and they have to stick with that.

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Are either of the Clintons Liberals? [View all] MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 OP

They're both pro-business, conservative Democrats Warpy Nov 2014 #1

Somehow, I don't think they'll care whether you'll be "happy" about it (eom) Seeking Serenity Nov 2014 #49

No, they don't care. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #74

Define "Liberals". nt uppityperson Nov 2014 #2

The OPs def of "liberal" dosn't include 90% of the population baldguy Nov 2014 #43

The definition that the OP didn't give? MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #45

Please provide your definition, then. baldguy Nov 2014 #51

So you want me to bias the poll MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #59

You're as "unbiased" as Fox News. baldguy Nov 2014 #71

Just so you know Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #85

Thr OPs purpose is to criticize Democrats, no matter what their ideological bent is. baldguy Nov 2014 #87

Where did you get that idea from? Alittleliberal Nov 2014 #89

The author of the OP is certainly free to clarify, as I & several other have requested. baldguy Nov 2014 #90

Are you trying to redbait Manny? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #92

"Redbait"? That's a meaningless term in this context. baldguy Nov 2014 #93

So you're claiming Manny is a closet right-winger? Ken Burch Nov 2014 #95

His objective is to play Democrats & liberals for fools for his own amusement. baldguy Nov 2014 #98

"he always seems to attack the liberal Democrats" Union Scribe Nov 2014 #144

Wait, is that a trick question? ozone_man Nov 2014 #155

Drop the mic, bald guy. Game, set, and match! 11 Bravo Nov 2014 #148

lol, no kidding. Marr Nov 2014 #83

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting Andy823 Nov 2014 #60

No definition makes the results mean only what each individual thinks it means, totally subjective. uppityperson Nov 2014 #63

Which is actually what I was curious to measure. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #70

uh...WHAT definition? I didn't see one in the OP. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #68

85%. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #84

Yes, the OP is certainly concerned with *labels* baldguy Nov 2014 #88

Of course they are. joshcryer Nov 2014 #3

On what other policies have they been consistently MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #5

Read the Democratic Party platform. joshcryer Nov 2014 #12

They were to the right of most Americans on LGBT civil rights, MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #14

I don't think the Democratic Party platform represents most Americans. joshcryer Nov 2014 #18

Looking at it now... nothing jumps out as being to the left of most Americans MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #21

Look up the socialism/capitalism perceptions poll. joshcryer Nov 2014 #30

Maddow: Conservatives Love Liberal Policies, Except When They Learn That Obama Supports Them JonLP24 Nov 2014 #34

Most Americans don't know what they are, but they don't like sudden change. n/t KMOD Nov 2014 #19

They hold right-of-center positions on foreign policy and economics. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #40

Thank you.. sendero Nov 2014 #57

yeah, LGBT rights, women's rights, civil rights, reproductive rights don't "truly matter" YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #146

If you cannot eat.. sendero Nov 2014 #147

I didn't mean they didn't matter. Of course they matter. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #152

Oh, yes, social policies are "bourgeois side issues." joshcryer Nov 2014 #100

Politics is mostly economics and foreign policy isn't small potatoes. Add in the support TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #44

But you have to admit that Hillary embraced gay marriage before MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #46

Ok, moderate on orientation equality then. Check. TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #62

Social issues are inherently economic issues. joshcryer Nov 2014 #101

What the Clintons are "liberal" never leads to real change and never threaten the powers-that-be. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #106

That's crazy. joshcryer Nov 2014 #109

The Berlin Wall fell because East European states turned "socialism" into a code word for repression Ken Burch Nov 2014 #114

I posit that the biggest challenge to that is social. joshcryer Nov 2014 #116

I agree with you on THOSE issues Ken Burch Nov 2014 #120

The Clinton's don't agree on these issues? joshcryer Nov 2014 #123

We have their records in the offices they held. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #125

A vote? A quote? joshcryer Nov 2014 #127

We have their records in office. We know what they actually did. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #128

I don't know what you're talking about. joshcryer Nov 2014 #129

He fought for NAFTA and SIGNED the damn welfare persecution bill. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #133

Welfare passed on the third vote. joshcryer Nov 2014 #135

Maybe the welfare bill was going to pass anyway, but he didn't have to SIGN the damn thing. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #136

So he doesn't sign it. joshcryer Nov 2014 #137

He could have left the welfare bill become law without his signature. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #138

Hillary Clinton was more liberal than Elizabeth Warren. joshcryer Nov 2014 #140

The fall of the Berlin Wall had a lot to do with economics Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #121

Cultural influence eroded the Eastern Bloc. joshcryer Nov 2014 #122

I had a couple of professors who were very knowledgeable about the USSR Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #126

So, by your previous logic that Clinton is only conservative on economics and foreign policy TheKentuckian Nov 2014 #141

Two baby boomer culture warriors who went to Yale Dawson Leery Nov 2014 #4

Or their response to the era. polichick Nov 2014 #7

Precisely. Read Hillary's thesis. joshcryer Nov 2014 #16

Don't ask, don't tell, KMOD Nov 2014 #17

It's a nice feature of our democracy. joshcryer Nov 2014 #20

Things went fast during FDR's tenure as President MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #22

Not quite the same as now though. KMOD Nov 2014 #26

That's a plot of bad mistakes tularetom Nov 2014 #91

And those "mistakes" are bigger than any small bits of good they may have done or ever could do. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #94

Yes, people are fallible. joshcryer Nov 2014 #97

Krugman made one mistake. They made right-wing choice after right-wing choice. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #103

What choices? joshcryer Nov 2014 #107

No sigificant number of progressive politicians agreed with the Clintons on the bulk of those issues Ken Burch Nov 2014 #112

Was signing off on Gramm-Leach-Bliley a liberal thing to do? valerief Nov 2014 #6

Both are Liberal Republicans. Zen Democrat Nov 2014 #8

Yes, they are both liberals. n/t KMOD Nov 2014 #9

I would say they are both moderates. Rex Nov 2014 #10

At least they weren't Republicans till age 46 frazzled Nov 2014 #11

Go for it. MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #15

Manny is a little myopic when it comes to ID'ing Republicans. baldguy Nov 2014 #73

You better believe it! zappaman Nov 2014 #82

Of course not. darkangel218 Nov 2014 #13

They might not be liberal, but they've done more to advance and preserve liberal causes Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #23

What would you consider to be their greatest Liberal successes? Nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #24

I'm gonna throw that question back at you, KMOD Nov 2014 #31

Signing that evil freaking welfare bill. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #67

Don't forget 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' and DOMA. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Nov 2014 #86

They're cynical self-promoters whose political ideologies center around advancing their own careers Azathoth Nov 2014 #25

Him, mostly not. Jeff Rosenzweig Nov 2014 #27

Me? I'm a Glenn-Greenwald Libertarian. nt MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #32

Ah. Jeff Rosenzweig Nov 2014 #35

Thanks, it all make sense now. KMOD Nov 2014 #37

You are new-ish so I'll help you out. Manny was joking. Luminous Animal Nov 2014 #81

ahhh, thanks. KMOD Nov 2014 #99

Bwahahaha! I love it when you Colbert someone, I really do! n/t djean111 Nov 2014 #41

Yeah, but from now until I'm banned, MannyGoldstein Nov 2014 #47

Burn the Witch! SolutionisSolidarity Nov 2014 #77

Who the truth comes out. nt Andy823 Nov 2014 #76

So, Greenwald's running for President? Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #108

Personally, I don't think so Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #28

They belong to the Clinton Party. Half-Century Man Nov 2014 #29

There seems to be radical lefts along with radical rights, too far is not good. Thinkingabout Nov 2014 #33

Yup, and people despise both. KMOD Nov 2014 #36

Is media consolidation liberal? OnyxCollie Nov 2014 #38

Neo. GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #39

Liberal on social issues, conservative on economic issues n/t eridani Nov 2014 #42

Exactly. It's how 3rd was is described here and internationally HereSince1628 Nov 2014 #58

I voted "other" Seeking Serenity Nov 2014 #48

Rising wages, declining unemployment, advancing social causes. Bill made mistakes so he is not a pampango Nov 2014 #50

Hillary Clinton was 13th most liberal Senator. joshcryer Nov 2014 #104

They're not going to let facts get in the way of a good hate-on. baldguy Nov 2014 #111

on social issues like abortion and gay rights - yes Douglas Carpenter Nov 2014 #52

neo-liberals both. nt LWolf Nov 2014 #53

They are neo-lib. nt TBF Nov 2014 #54

They are good Democrats. They maybe more centrist than Warren or Sanders but they are hrmjustin Nov 2014 #55

Burn the heretics!!!! JoePhilly Nov 2014 #56

The masses don't WANT our party to be to the right of where it is now. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #134

Actually, the GOP put forward the most right wing candidates possible. JoePhilly Nov 2014 #142

This thread isn't about purging anyone. It's asking a legitimate question. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #149

Yes, the GOP put forward right-wing crazyheads and they won. Ken Burch Nov 2014 #150

Other RobinA Nov 2014 #61

They're "liberal" in the same sense that anyone who wears cowboy boots is a cowboy. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2014 #64

How liberal is liberal? Orsino Nov 2014 #65

Not by my measure, but few people are. hunter Nov 2014 #66

to say they are not, you have to be in a liberal bubble treestar Nov 2014 #69

Liberal in their personal lives, but conservative in execution of their public work. Baitball Blogger Nov 2014 #72

I think they are mostly conservatives. mylye2222 Nov 2014 #75

To me, liberal means centrist, so yes. Starry Messenger Nov 2014 #78

Not as liberal as Nixon!!! zappaman Nov 2014 #79

They don't even self identify as liberals. SolutionisSolidarity Nov 2014 #80

Just looking at this poll.... fadedrose Nov 2014 #96

Good thing DU represents about 0.0 percent of Democrats, eh? leftofcool Nov 2014 #119

Depends on your outlook. fadedrose Nov 2014 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #102

United we stand, divided we fall. baldguy Nov 2014 #105

Because this guy is slicket and smarter than most GOP operatives. Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #110

Corrosive ... that's a very good description. baldguy Nov 2014 #113

He'll be flagging t his post soon. Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #115

That's today's DU for you: The Democrats get TS'd and the Democrat haters get kudos. baldguy Nov 2014 #117

Just edit or self-delete. joshcryer Nov 2014 #118

Why? Old and In the Way Nov 2014 #130

+a million and another million after that. But I agree with Josh, you should self delete or edit Number23 Nov 2014 #131

Hahahaha! No. PeteSelman Nov 2014 #124

Nope. Neoliberals and corrupt to the core. woo me with science Nov 2014 #139

yes, in the same way as Justo Rufino Barrios or the guys who destroyed Canudos MisterP Nov 2014 #143

Of course. YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #145

159-31 say no. what does that tell you? JeffHead Nov 2014 #151

It tells me on DU this poll attracted VERY LIBERAL voters! BillZBubb Nov 2014 #154

Well this is kind of a VERY LIBERAL website, So what did you expect? JeffHead Nov 2014 #158

I think it says that DU is more savvy then the general public. n/t ozone_man Nov 2014 #156

I don't agree YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #157

They are both liberals to an extent. BillZBubb Nov 2014 #153