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12. Anyone who thinks JFK was killed by a conspiracy owes it to him- or herself to

Sat Nov 22, 2014, 02:15 PM

Nov 2014

read Vincent Bugliosi's Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Not for the faint of heart, Buglisoi's 1,000+-page book examines the work of the Warren Commission in exhaustive and minute detail and ultimately concludes that the WC pretty much got it right about LHO as a lone assassin with no conspiracy before- or after the fact. Along the way, Bugliosi takes up most of the mainstream conspiracy theories and deconstructs and demystifies each with a clinical precision that is often lacking in the discussion.

I used to believe in a version of the CT put forward by, among others, Oliver Stone in JFK. After I read Bugliosi's book, though, I have been forced to confront my own unscientific and prejudiced thinking and replace it with a solid reliance on the evidence.

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51 years ago President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. Case not closed at all. [View all] bobthedrummer Nov 2014 OP

I'll never forget it wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #1

Yep. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #3

I remember the shock I felt.....will NEVER forget it either: Useless in FL Nov 2014 #10

I think he was rather nutty Schema Thing Nov 2014 #2

You must be very young to hold such a view. You certainly are naive, at best, Schema Thing. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #5

Nah, I've looked at it deeply Schema Thing Nov 2014 #7

The evidence exposes some of the conspiracy, that is a fact. The case isn't closed, it's polarized bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #8

He was a great one for sure. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #22

Add this to your thoughts as you dig deeper MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #87

honestly a podcast is a horrible way to do research. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #104

I couldn't have predicted your answer any better... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #190

"that laughable piece of garbage from Bugliosi", lol. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #194

Answer my questions... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #199

smh Schema Thing Nov 2014 #205

Well… that's a bit of nonsense, isn't it? MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #207

Your sources have misled you. Zen Democrat Nov 2014 #9

Well IMO. zeemike Nov 2014 #44

This one there isn't a need to leave it up to your opinion Schema Thing Nov 2014 #47

Yes science does. zeemike Nov 2014 #52

JFK's head went forward at bullet impact cpwm17 Nov 2014 #93

Well I am not going to argue it here. zeemike Nov 2014 #107

You can see, even at normal speed, the shot came from behind cpwm17 Nov 2014 #109

Like I said I am not going to hijack this topic. zeemike Nov 2014 #117

It's clear as day here that the shot came from behind: cpwm17 Nov 2014 #118

Well that simply amazes me. zeemike Nov 2014 #137

I have no idea what you watched cpwm17 Nov 2014 #144

Well that has already been debunked. zeemike Nov 2014 #145

Roll the time line to 3:30 minutes... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #200

Back and to the left was slightly delayed from the frames I posted above cpwm17 Nov 2014 #201

No…. No he was not MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #204

The film and the frames I posted above clearly shows you are wrong cpwm17 Nov 2014 #212

Sad how science becomes conspiracy Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #95

It is the trump card in the game. zeemike Nov 2014 #108

The words 'conspiracy theorists' were deliberately determined to be a way to try to discredit those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #128

I dismiss "CT" as well... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #195

Sorry your hanging out on a limb and sawing between you and the tree on this one... rwsanders Nov 2014 #99

You are correct regarding science. Which is why a majority of the people do not believe sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #127

huh? Schema Thing Nov 2014 #129

Common sense and science tells me there was more than one bullet fired that day. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #132

Well, yeah. That's widely accepted fact. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #151

We'll never know, Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #88

Very few who lived through that day believe the official story. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #133

Actually it didn't take much planning at all. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #136

I think the idea that Oswald was not put up to it is rather unbelievable. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #155

As I just explained, the mechanics were not very complex at all. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #158

Yes, I have read about them and became even more convinced that they were encouraged JDPriestly Nov 2014 #183

seriously? Schema Thing Nov 2014 #197

Then why did LHO kill Tippit? Recursion Nov 2014 #222

I don't know whether Oswald killed Kennedy. If he did, I doubt that he did it alone. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #227

And Jack Ruby also acted alone? Reter Nov 2014 #176

Yep. What world is it you live in where Schema Thing Nov 2014 #181

No fooling Jack Ruby. Octafish Nov 2014 #217

From your link: Schema Thing Nov 2014 #220

Here's the Wade press conference... Octafish Nov 2014 #234

Yes, I just quoted that from your earlier link Schema Thing Nov 2014 #251

Ninth grade english class madokie Nov 2014 #4

The only war lost by the US military, the civil rights movement, the Cold War-yep, indeed madokie. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #6

He was getting dangerous to Duval Nov 2014 #62

MLK, RFK and JFK madokie Nov 2014 #123

College sophomore English, as a matter of fact. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #121

take a trip to Dallas some da onethatcares Nov 2014 #11

I walked across the Houston Street viaduct into Dealy Plaza, etc, in 1968 onethatcares. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #13

I've been there Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #96

Anyone who thinks JFK was killed by a conspiracy owes it to him- or herself to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #12

Show some tribute for President Kennedy, KC. n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #16

Hunh? The best tribute we can give his life and legacy is a scrupulous adherence to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #18

Yes to this. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #26

If the Warren Commission got it so right, why was everything put under shraby Nov 2014 #40

Have you read Bugliosi's book yet? Don't mean to come off as a small-minded pedant KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #42

And the Book Depository SheilaT Nov 2014 #51

The written parts that matter have been locked up. A book depository is shraby Nov 2014 #74

Bugliosi actually interviewed several members of the original Warren Commission KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #165

I've read the Bulgosi book several times olddots Nov 2014 #78

Do you think any CT remains intact after Bugliosi is finished with it? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #170

yes ablamj Nov 2014 #188

Sigh. You are such a tease :) Care to elaborate? Which CT KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #189

"Some" of the information gathered during the investigation was hidden for 75 years. A length of world wide wally Nov 2014 #56

That's what sticks in my craw too. I have one question about that shraby Nov 2014 #75

I read a biography of J Edgar Hoover demigoddess Nov 2014 #46

Do you have any evidence at all for this belief? I mean, I despise Hoover as much KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #53

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #49

Yep. SheilaT Nov 2014 #50

Stone actually synthesizes 2-3 mainstream CTs, drawing salient points KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #55

EVERYTHING since JFK has been a conspiracy to some. 7962 Nov 2014 #59

9/11, Iran/Contra were actual conspiracies. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #68

You know what I mean by 9/11 conspiracy! 7962 Nov 2014 #180

No. You gave a big list of stuff including several actual conspiracies Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #228

"WMD's in Iraq" is a proven conspiracy. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #224

Conspiracy? No, just plain lie after lie! 7962 Nov 2014 #237

Really. Like the time LBJ said North Vietnam torpedoed our destroyers in Gulf of Tonkin. Octafish Nov 2014 #72

How is Iran/Contra not a conspiracy? deurbano Nov 2014 #76

LOL - Do you deny the Contras? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #174

No, I mean some people think THAT was covering up a different operation. nt 7962 Nov 2014 #179

For balance Depaysement Nov 2014 #64

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to take a look next time I'm at the library. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #160

I've read it. H2O Man Nov 2014 #81

If it was a footnote buried way in the back of the book, it would have been documented KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #163

Sure. H2O Man Nov 2014 #164

"Both saw and heard what happened" - well, that is the crux of the matter. So KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #167

Well, they don't H2O Man Nov 2014 #172

I used the word 'alleged' because eye- and ear-witness testimony is KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #173

It is a fascinating event H2O Man Nov 2014 #250

PS: H2O Man Nov 2014 #168

Then, you're not very well read, KC... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #206

Bugliosi's book didn't sell many copies b/c it is over 1,000 pages (plus KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #213

I don't believe it was a coincidence that JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. were all killed by lone gunmen. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #14

There IT is, rhett o rick. And look at all those that died after contradicting the Commission. Wet bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #20

Bush Sr billhicks76 Nov 2014 #124

Most people like them because it is exciting and the truth is boring! Proved. nt Logical Nov 2014 #142

Ahh yes, the "truth". It must be comforting to know when one knows the "truth". rhett o rick Nov 2014 #148

What is the biggest CT that most didn't believe that has been proved to be correct? nt Logical Nov 2014 #169

It's not that the truth is 'boring' but that it is so banal that it KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #178

Yes, this was only the first of many "where were you when" moments for us... LiberalElite Nov 2014 #15

Remembering that day, with grief. love_katz Nov 2014 #17

Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK Ezlivin Nov 2014 #19

I saw the documentary and thought it odd that all these years louis-t Nov 2014 #92

LOL, many have recreated those shots. nt Logical Nov 2014 #143

Name them. Octafish Nov 2014 #208

Send me the link to that report where that quote was listed nt Logical Nov 2014 #211

So, you can't name anyone who did what you stated? Octafish Nov 2014 #214

I'll send you a link from the 1975 documentary tomorrow. Nt Logical Nov 2014 #215

The quote is on that page?? nt Logical Nov 2014 #218

This thread belongs in Creative Speculation frogmarch Nov 2014 #21

Good lord -hit the alert then, and show some respect for our assassinated President. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #24

Oh, please. frogmarch Nov 2014 #35

+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #38

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Yup! Not at all about tribute. longship Nov 2014 #57

No. And if you believe that, here are 13 documents you should read about the JFK assassination. Octafish Nov 2014 #70

Sorry, my friend. No can go there. longship Nov 2014 #86

Very interesting story. You reply doesn't address the facts at hand, however. Octafish Nov 2014 #236

Nailed it... SidDithers Nov 2014 #113

CT challenges your blind faith in your authoritarian leaders. They would never lie to you. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #150

... SidDithers Nov 2014 #152

There are lots of conspiracies. They exist. Denying that they do is like denying climate change. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #154

Yes conspiracies exist ballabosh Nov 2014 #210

Yes maybe there isn't one. My problem is the self-righteous @#$%$ rhett o rick Nov 2014 #219

what about... ensemble Nov 2014 #231

Professional Disinformationist Octafish Nov 2014 #238

the people involved... ensemble Nov 2014 #240

ct jabber olddots Nov 2014 #130

Close minded people often have issues with abstract thought. Rex Nov 2014 #196

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, shouldn't that be in creative speculation? Rex Nov 2014 #192

No, what this thread got was the same few people who seek to use that phrase... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #202

I love your kitty gifs. frogmarch Nov 2014 #232

Oh boo hoo. Once a year we get to point out just how fucked our history has been since '63 Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #69

The fact RFK's kids can't talk on TV about what their father told them shows the cover-up continues. Octafish Nov 2014 #23

Glad to see you chiming in, Sir. This is a cradle to grave domestic black op in many respects imo. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #27

JFK: ''Peace and prosperity for all.'' Octafish Nov 2014 #256

Could it be because they were liberal icons? LongTomH Nov 2014 #90

+ 1000 red dog 1 Nov 2014 #94

Thanks for that, Octafish. n/t Ghost Dog Nov 2014 #186

"This thread is in memory of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Join me in tribute to him". k&r for JFK uppityperson Nov 2014 #25

. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #28

I will never forget him and what he could have done for our country. TNNurse Nov 2014 #30

. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #34

..... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #29

Say what? bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #31

Don't be obtuse YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #32

Is that how you show respect for our slain President, YoungDemCA??? bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #36

No more disrespectful than promoting a false narrative of history YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #37

So that really is how you show your feelings about what happened to President Kennedy in Dallas-woe. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #41

Who now is promoting a false narrative of history? If it's such a false narrative shraby Nov 2014 #43

you decide whats false ? olddots Nov 2014 #161

Really? How childish. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #221

... Mnemosyne Nov 2014 #33

It's NEVER been closed heaven05 Nov 2014 #45

It was a right wing coup d'etat. jalan48 Nov 2014 #48

At least now the Democratic leaders aren't killed anymore, shraby Nov 2014 #80

LOL-Less Bloody I guess. jalan48 Nov 2014 #115

The Warren Commission is the ONLY explanation that fits. JFK was assasinated by a lone nut. MohRokTah Nov 2014 #54

But was the lone nut Lee Harvey Oswald or George H.W. Bush? Initech Nov 2014 #61

Oh brother! MohRokTah Nov 2014 #82

I can think of several reasons for Kennedy to be assassinated. PDJane Nov 2014 #58

+1. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2014 #63

I can think of a few more. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #73

Yep, those too. PDJane Nov 2014 #77

You left out the most important reason MohRokTah Nov 2014 #103

It's amazing how many lone nutballs there are in US history, PDJane Nov 2014 #138

With the exception of Lincoln, a lone nutball is responsible for ever presidential assassination. MohRokTah Nov 2014 #146

Uh huh. PDJane Nov 2014 #185

All of our future changed that day....not for better...still seek and wish for answers. joanbarnes Nov 2014 #60

Lyndon Johnson was the criminal who organized the assassination. undeterred Nov 2014 #65

I thought it was by J Edgar Hoover or George H.W. Bush or a right wing coup d'etat. cpwm17 Nov 2014 #98

LBJ was the organizer and stood to assume the presidency. undeterred Nov 2014 #105

I'll add the Secret Service and the CIA to the list of villains cpwm17 Nov 2014 #216

I love seeing all these candles lit Duval Nov 2014 #66

It Was Space Alien CIA Saucer Nazi Invisible Lizard Wolf Frankula Nov 2014 #67

cute olddots Nov 2014 #79

+10,000,000 eom MohRokTah Nov 2014 #83

Conveniently Quasimodem Nov 2014 #89

but if you don't know exactly what happened... ensemble Nov 2014 #230

Good Doggy. Quasimodem Nov 2014 #254

+A Brazillion! N/T Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2014 #110

I Forgot Illuminati Wolf Frankula Nov 2014 #126

On another post I posted my memory of the day JFK was assassinated. classof56 Nov 2014 #71

I'm definitely with you there! LongTomH Nov 2014 #91

An inconsistency is not proof of a conspiracy, Frizzy Fighter Nov 2014 #84

Gotta have the proper attire to view this thread. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2014 #85

I'm still crying Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #97

Don't go down to Bush town. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #100

Three words: "Evidence of Revision" Youtube. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #101

The official explanation is far from adequate. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #102

I, like everyone else, WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2014 #106

I was in my 1st year of college & didn't have classes that day because it was a Friday, red dog 1 Nov 2014 #111

LHO Was A Patsy colsohlibgal Nov 2014 #112

And, with the exception of the Apollo program awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #114

K&R...Thanks for posting, bobthedrummer red dog 1 Nov 2014 #116

i remember it like it was yesterday.... spanone Nov 2014 #119

Like you Bob, I pay tribute to JFK by continuing the search for justice. robertpaulsen Nov 2014 #120

Good read... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #139

this morning hopemountain Nov 2014 #122

K&R Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #125

Thanks for the tribute thread to JFK, bobthedrummer. pacalo Nov 2014 #131

K&R Carolina Nov 2014 #134

A K & R for JFK Lifelong Protester Nov 2014 #135

I remember all too well malokvale77 Nov 2014 #140

FFS, more of this conspiracy shit? You are not helping his memory with that. Dishonoring it!! nt Logical Nov 2014 #141

You seem to be afraid of conspiracy shit. Why such a reaction? Does it challenge your rhett o rick Nov 2014 #157

How gullible are you? nt Logical Nov 2014 #171

sad... ensemble Nov 2014 #229

mom won't either PatrynXX Nov 2014 #147

... spanone Nov 2014 #149

. lastlib Nov 2014 #153

Yes, a tribute to JFK, and sadly there are still many unanswered questions IMO. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #156

Here are some photos. midnight Nov 2014 #159

I've been watching... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #162

Dark day in the history of our country! juajen Nov 2014 #166

How convenience that Jack Ruby shot Oswald before he could testify or be asked enough questions Reter Nov 2014 #175

FFS, it never ends what people will imagine! nt Logical Nov 2014 #198

I spent 51 years reading about this, NOT closed. gordianot Nov 2014 #177

who cares? JFK is still dead. It is time to move on. kwassa Nov 2014 #182

And a year later Poppy became Chairman of the Republican Party for Harris County, Texas. Rex Nov 2014 #184

Bingo. Ghost Dog Nov 2014 #187

K&R MissDeeds Nov 2014 #191

Our country has never been the same ailsagirl Nov 2014 #193

Mahalo bob.. I was driving along the road in Phoenix, AZ, listening to the radio and I Cha Nov 2014 #203

CIA involved, Oswald was the patsy. indivisibleman Nov 2014 #209

Inclined to say closed. moondust Nov 2014 #223

Yep, he's certainly not the type one would enlist in an assassination plot. cpwm17 Nov 2014 #233

well... ensemble Nov 2014 #244

The shells from his recently purchased weapon were still at the scene cpwm17 Nov 2014 #248

That's what the government tells us dflprincess Nov 2014 #257

But now you are making the conspiracy unmanageably large cpwm17 Nov 2014 #258

I was born 6 months before the assasination. nilesobek Nov 2014 #225

should look at Justice Integrity Project laserhaas Nov 2014 #226

Thank you! Outstanding resource!!!!!!! Octafish Nov 2014 #239

He's one cool attorney laserhaas Nov 2014 #242

Well... Octafish Nov 2014 #246

I Object, to assumption of facts not in evidence. laserhaas Nov 2014 #247

Thank you for the kind correction. Octafish Nov 2014 #253

I concur (and she's worse than you think) laserhaas Nov 2014 #255

I was in Catholic school. They sent us home. raven mad Nov 2014 #235

I remember the day like it was yesterday BlueJac Nov 2014 #241

My Dad always believed the republicans were behind the assassination. B Calm Nov 2014 #243

A TRUE HERO turbinetree Nov 2014 #245

The fact that during the 50-year discussion last year the words "accused" and "alleged" Boomerproud Nov 2014 #249

Case Closed, here's the dirty truth the MSM doesn't want you to know HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #252

K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #259

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