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H2O Man

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Sat Nov 22, 2014, 10:45 PM

Nov 2014

Yeah, I've gone through quite literally the whole book & CD.

Also, I do not think of this discussion as an argument, or in any sense hostile. People are entitled to their own opinions.

There were a couple books published after Mr. Bugliosi's, that reach a very different conclusion than he did. Mr. Bugliosi has stated that he considers the pair to be serious investigators. Their work includes references to literally thousands of documents, released only after Vince's book was published. I know he still believes -- sincerely and intelligently -- that he was still correct. But even he recognizes that others see things differently -- though in his paid performances, while presenting in his theatrical manner (re: prosecutor) he tends to dismiss all critics. Bugliosi is a good man (he has an association with one of my uncles, who thinks the world of him).

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51 years ago President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas. Case not closed at all. [View all] bobthedrummer Nov 2014 OP

I'll never forget it wilt the stilt Nov 2014 #1

Yep. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #3

I remember the shock I felt.....will NEVER forget it either: Useless in FL Nov 2014 #10

I think he was rather nutty Schema Thing Nov 2014 #2

You must be very young to hold such a view. You certainly are naive, at best, Schema Thing. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #5

Nah, I've looked at it deeply Schema Thing Nov 2014 #7

The evidence exposes some of the conspiracy, that is a fact. The case isn't closed, it's polarized bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #8

He was a great one for sure. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #22

Add this to your thoughts as you dig deeper MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #87

honestly a podcast is a horrible way to do research. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #104

I couldn't have predicted your answer any better... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #190

"that laughable piece of garbage from Bugliosi", lol. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #194

Answer my questions... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #199

smh Schema Thing Nov 2014 #205

Well… that's a bit of nonsense, isn't it? MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #207

Your sources have misled you. Zen Democrat Nov 2014 #9

Well IMO. zeemike Nov 2014 #44

This one there isn't a need to leave it up to your opinion Schema Thing Nov 2014 #47

Yes science does. zeemike Nov 2014 #52

JFK's head went forward at bullet impact cpwm17 Nov 2014 #93

Well I am not going to argue it here. zeemike Nov 2014 #107

You can see, even at normal speed, the shot came from behind cpwm17 Nov 2014 #109

Like I said I am not going to hijack this topic. zeemike Nov 2014 #117

It's clear as day here that the shot came from behind: cpwm17 Nov 2014 #118

Well that simply amazes me. zeemike Nov 2014 #137

I have no idea what you watched cpwm17 Nov 2014 #144

Well that has already been debunked. zeemike Nov 2014 #145

Roll the time line to 3:30 minutes... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #200

Back and to the left was slightly delayed from the frames I posted above cpwm17 Nov 2014 #201

No…. No he was not MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #204

The film and the frames I posted above clearly shows you are wrong cpwm17 Nov 2014 #212

Sad how science becomes conspiracy Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #95

It is the trump card in the game. zeemike Nov 2014 #108

The words 'conspiracy theorists' were deliberately determined to be a way to try to discredit those sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #128

I dismiss "CT" as well... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #195

Sorry your hanging out on a limb and sawing between you and the tree on this one... rwsanders Nov 2014 #99

You are correct regarding science. Which is why a majority of the people do not believe sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #127

huh? Schema Thing Nov 2014 #129

Common sense and science tells me there was more than one bullet fired that day. sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #132

Well, yeah. That's widely accepted fact. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #151

We'll never know, Blue_In_AK Nov 2014 #88

Very few who lived through that day believe the official story. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #133

Actually it didn't take much planning at all. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #136

I think the idea that Oswald was not put up to it is rather unbelievable. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #155

As I just explained, the mechanics were not very complex at all. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #158

Yes, I have read about them and became even more convinced that they were encouraged JDPriestly Nov 2014 #183

seriously? Schema Thing Nov 2014 #197

Then why did LHO kill Tippit? Recursion Nov 2014 #222

I don't know whether Oswald killed Kennedy. If he did, I doubt that he did it alone. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #227

And Jack Ruby also acted alone? Reter Nov 2014 #176

Yep. What world is it you live in where Schema Thing Nov 2014 #181

No fooling Jack Ruby. Octafish Nov 2014 #217

From your link: Schema Thing Nov 2014 #220

Here's the Wade press conference... Octafish Nov 2014 #234

Yes, I just quoted that from your earlier link Schema Thing Nov 2014 #251

Ninth grade english class madokie Nov 2014 #4

The only war lost by the US military, the civil rights movement, the Cold War-yep, indeed madokie. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #6

He was getting dangerous to Duval Nov 2014 #62

MLK, RFK and JFK madokie Nov 2014 #123

College sophomore English, as a matter of fact. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #121

take a trip to Dallas some da onethatcares Nov 2014 #11

I walked across the Houston Street viaduct into Dealy Plaza, etc, in 1968 onethatcares. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #13

I've been there Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #96

Anyone who thinks JFK was killed by a conspiracy owes it to him- or herself to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #12

Show some tribute for President Kennedy, KC. n/t bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #16

Hunh? The best tribute we can give his life and legacy is a scrupulous adherence to KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #18

Yes to this. Schema Thing Nov 2014 #26

If the Warren Commission got it so right, why was everything put under shraby Nov 2014 #40

Have you read Bugliosi's book yet? Don't mean to come off as a small-minded pedant KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #42

And the Book Depository SheilaT Nov 2014 #51

The written parts that matter have been locked up. A book depository is shraby Nov 2014 #74

Bugliosi actually interviewed several members of the original Warren Commission KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #165

I've read the Bulgosi book several times olddots Nov 2014 #78

Do you think any CT remains intact after Bugliosi is finished with it? - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #170

yes ablamj Nov 2014 #188

Sigh. You are such a tease :) Care to elaborate? Which CT KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #189

"Some" of the information gathered during the investigation was hidden for 75 years. A length of world wide wally Nov 2014 #56

That's what sticks in my craw too. I have one question about that shraby Nov 2014 #75

I read a biography of J Edgar Hoover demigoddess Nov 2014 #46

Do you have any evidence at all for this belief? I mean, I despise Hoover as much KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #53

right heaven05 Nov 2014 #49

Yep. SheilaT Nov 2014 #50

Stone actually synthesizes 2-3 mainstream CTs, drawing salient points KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #55

EVERYTHING since JFK has been a conspiracy to some. 7962 Nov 2014 #59

9/11, Iran/Contra were actual conspiracies. Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #68

You know what I mean by 9/11 conspiracy! 7962 Nov 2014 #180

No. You gave a big list of stuff including several actual conspiracies Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #228

"WMD's in Iraq" is a proven conspiracy. grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #224

Conspiracy? No, just plain lie after lie! 7962 Nov 2014 #237

Really. Like the time LBJ said North Vietnam torpedoed our destroyers in Gulf of Tonkin. Octafish Nov 2014 #72

How is Iran/Contra not a conspiracy? deurbano Nov 2014 #76

LOL - Do you deny the Contras? JonLP24 Nov 2014 #174

No, I mean some people think THAT was covering up a different operation. nt 7962 Nov 2014 #179

For balance Depaysement Nov 2014 #64

Thanks for the tip. I'll try to take a look next time I'm at the library. - nt KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #160

I've read it. H2O Man Nov 2014 #81

If it was a footnote buried way in the back of the book, it would have been documented KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #163

Sure. H2O Man Nov 2014 #164

"Both saw and heard what happened" - well, that is the crux of the matter. So KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #167

Well, they don't H2O Man Nov 2014 #172

I used the word 'alleged' because eye- and ear-witness testimony is KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #173

It is a fascinating event H2O Man Nov 2014 #250

PS: H2O Man Nov 2014 #168

Then, you're not very well read, KC... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #206

Bugliosi's book didn't sell many copies b/c it is over 1,000 pages (plus KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #213

I don't believe it was a coincidence that JFK, RFK, and MLK Jr. were all killed by lone gunmen. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #14

There IT is, rhett o rick. And look at all those that died after contradicting the Commission. Wet bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #20

Bush Sr billhicks76 Nov 2014 #124

Most people like them because it is exciting and the truth is boring! Proved. nt Logical Nov 2014 #142

Ahh yes, the "truth". It must be comforting to know when one knows the "truth". rhett o rick Nov 2014 #148

What is the biggest CT that most didn't believe that has been proved to be correct? nt Logical Nov 2014 #169

It's not that the truth is 'boring' but that it is so banal that it KingCharlemagne Nov 2014 #178

Yes, this was only the first of many "where were you when" moments for us... LiberalElite Nov 2014 #15

Remembering that day, with grief. love_katz Nov 2014 #17

Mortal Error: The Shot That Killed JFK Ezlivin Nov 2014 #19

I saw the documentary and thought it odd that all these years louis-t Nov 2014 #92

LOL, many have recreated those shots. nt Logical Nov 2014 #143

Name them. Octafish Nov 2014 #208

Send me the link to that report where that quote was listed nt Logical Nov 2014 #211

So, you can't name anyone who did what you stated? Octafish Nov 2014 #214

I'll send you a link from the 1975 documentary tomorrow. Nt Logical Nov 2014 #215

The quote is on that page?? nt Logical Nov 2014 #218

This thread belongs in Creative Speculation frogmarch Nov 2014 #21

Good lord -hit the alert then, and show some respect for our assassinated President. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #24

Oh, please. frogmarch Nov 2014 #35

+1 YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #38

Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #39

Yup! Not at all about tribute. longship Nov 2014 #57

No. And if you believe that, here are 13 documents you should read about the JFK assassination. Octafish Nov 2014 #70

Sorry, my friend. No can go there. longship Nov 2014 #86

Very interesting story. You reply doesn't address the facts at hand, however. Octafish Nov 2014 #236

Nailed it... SidDithers Nov 2014 #113

CT challenges your blind faith in your authoritarian leaders. They would never lie to you. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #150

... SidDithers Nov 2014 #152

There are lots of conspiracies. They exist. Denying that they do is like denying climate change. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #154

Yes conspiracies exist ballabosh Nov 2014 #210

Yes maybe there isn't one. My problem is the self-righteous @#$%$ rhett o rick Nov 2014 #219

what about... ensemble Nov 2014 #231

Professional Disinformationist Octafish Nov 2014 #238

the people involved... ensemble Nov 2014 #240

ct jabber olddots Nov 2014 #130

Close minded people often have issues with abstract thought. Rex Nov 2014 #196

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, shouldn't that be in creative speculation? Rex Nov 2014 #192

No, what this thread got was the same few people who seek to use that phrase... MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #202

I love your kitty gifs. frogmarch Nov 2014 #232

Oh boo hoo. Once a year we get to point out just how fucked our history has been since '63 Warren Stupidity Nov 2014 #69

The fact RFK's kids can't talk on TV about what their father told them shows the cover-up continues. Octafish Nov 2014 #23

Glad to see you chiming in, Sir. This is a cradle to grave domestic black op in many respects imo. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #27

JFK: ''Peace and prosperity for all.'' Octafish Nov 2014 #256

Could it be because they were liberal icons? LongTomH Nov 2014 #90

+ 1000 red dog 1 Nov 2014 #94

Thanks for that, Octafish. n/t Ghost Dog Nov 2014 #186

"This thread is in memory of John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Join me in tribute to him". k&r for JFK uppityperson Nov 2014 #25

. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #28

I will never forget him and what he could have done for our country. TNNurse Nov 2014 #30

. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #34

..... YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #29

Say what? bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #31

Don't be obtuse YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #32

Is that how you show respect for our slain President, YoungDemCA??? bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #36

No more disrespectful than promoting a false narrative of history YoungDemCA Nov 2014 #37

So that really is how you show your feelings about what happened to President Kennedy in Dallas-woe. bobthedrummer Nov 2014 #41

Who now is promoting a false narrative of history? If it's such a false narrative shraby Nov 2014 #43

you decide whats false ? olddots Nov 2014 #161

Really? How childish. rhett o rick Nov 2014 #221

... Mnemosyne Nov 2014 #33

It's NEVER been closed heaven05 Nov 2014 #45

It was a right wing coup d'etat. jalan48 Nov 2014 #48

At least now the Democratic leaders aren't killed anymore, shraby Nov 2014 #80

LOL-Less Bloody I guess. jalan48 Nov 2014 #115

The Warren Commission is the ONLY explanation that fits. JFK was assasinated by a lone nut. MohRokTah Nov 2014 #54

But was the lone nut Lee Harvey Oswald or George H.W. Bush? Initech Nov 2014 #61

Oh brother! MohRokTah Nov 2014 #82

I can think of several reasons for Kennedy to be assassinated. PDJane Nov 2014 #58

+1. nt AnotherDreamWeaver Nov 2014 #63

I can think of a few more. RufusTFirefly Nov 2014 #73

Yep, those too. PDJane Nov 2014 #77

You left out the most important reason MohRokTah Nov 2014 #103

It's amazing how many lone nutballs there are in US history, PDJane Nov 2014 #138

With the exception of Lincoln, a lone nutball is responsible for ever presidential assassination. MohRokTah Nov 2014 #146

Uh huh. PDJane Nov 2014 #185

All of our future changed that day....not for better...still seek and wish for answers. joanbarnes Nov 2014 #60

Lyndon Johnson was the criminal who organized the assassination. undeterred Nov 2014 #65

I thought it was by J Edgar Hoover or George H.W. Bush or a right wing coup d'etat. cpwm17 Nov 2014 #98

LBJ was the organizer and stood to assume the presidency. undeterred Nov 2014 #105

I'll add the Secret Service and the CIA to the list of villains cpwm17 Nov 2014 #216

I love seeing all these candles lit Duval Nov 2014 #66

It Was Space Alien CIA Saucer Nazi Invisible Lizard Wolf Frankula Nov 2014 #67

cute olddots Nov 2014 #79

+10,000,000 eom MohRokTah Nov 2014 #83

Conveniently Quasimodem Nov 2014 #89

but if you don't know exactly what happened... ensemble Nov 2014 #230

Good Doggy. Quasimodem Nov 2014 #254

+A Brazillion! N/T Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2014 #110

I Forgot Illuminati Wolf Frankula Nov 2014 #126

On another post I posted my memory of the day JFK was assassinated. classof56 Nov 2014 #71

I'm definitely with you there! LongTomH Nov 2014 #91

An inconsistency is not proof of a conspiracy, Frizzy Fighter Nov 2014 #84

Gotta have the proper attire to view this thread. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2014 #85

I'm still crying Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #97

Don't go down to Bush town. blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #100

Three words: "Evidence of Revision" Youtube. nt kelliekat44 Nov 2014 #101

The official explanation is far from adequate. Enthusiast Nov 2014 #102

I, like everyone else, WinstonSmith4740 Nov 2014 #106

I was in my 1st year of college & didn't have classes that day because it was a Friday, red dog 1 Nov 2014 #111

LHO Was A Patsy colsohlibgal Nov 2014 #112

And, with the exception of the Apollo program awoke_in_2003 Nov 2014 #114

K&R...Thanks for posting, bobthedrummer red dog 1 Nov 2014 #116

i remember it like it was yesterday.... spanone Nov 2014 #119

Like you Bob, I pay tribute to JFK by continuing the search for justice. robertpaulsen Nov 2014 #120

Good read... malokvale77 Nov 2014 #139

this morning hopemountain Nov 2014 #122

K&R Warren DeMontague Nov 2014 #125

Thanks for the tribute thread to JFK, bobthedrummer. pacalo Nov 2014 #131

K&R Carolina Nov 2014 #134

A K & R for JFK Lifelong Protester Nov 2014 #135

I remember all too well malokvale77 Nov 2014 #140

FFS, more of this conspiracy shit? You are not helping his memory with that. Dishonoring it!! nt Logical Nov 2014 #141

You seem to be afraid of conspiracy shit. Why such a reaction? Does it challenge your rhett o rick Nov 2014 #157

How gullible are you? nt Logical Nov 2014 #171

sad... ensemble Nov 2014 #229

mom won't either PatrynXX Nov 2014 #147

... spanone Nov 2014 #149

. lastlib Nov 2014 #153

Yes, a tribute to JFK, and sadly there are still many unanswered questions IMO. n/t RKP5637 Nov 2014 #156

Here are some photos. midnight Nov 2014 #159

I've been watching... TeeYiYi Nov 2014 #162

Dark day in the history of our country! juajen Nov 2014 #166

How convenience that Jack Ruby shot Oswald before he could testify or be asked enough questions Reter Nov 2014 #175

FFS, it never ends what people will imagine! nt Logical Nov 2014 #198

I spent 51 years reading about this, NOT closed. gordianot Nov 2014 #177

who cares? JFK is still dead. It is time to move on. kwassa Nov 2014 #182

And a year later Poppy became Chairman of the Republican Party for Harris County, Texas. Rex Nov 2014 #184

Bingo. Ghost Dog Nov 2014 #187

K&R MissDeeds Nov 2014 #191

Our country has never been the same ailsagirl Nov 2014 #193

Mahalo bob.. I was driving along the road in Phoenix, AZ, listening to the radio and I Cha Nov 2014 #203

CIA involved, Oswald was the patsy. indivisibleman Nov 2014 #209

Inclined to say closed. moondust Nov 2014 #223

Yep, he's certainly not the type one would enlist in an assassination plot. cpwm17 Nov 2014 #233

well... ensemble Nov 2014 #244

The shells from his recently purchased weapon were still at the scene cpwm17 Nov 2014 #248

That's what the government tells us dflprincess Nov 2014 #257

But now you are making the conspiracy unmanageably large cpwm17 Nov 2014 #258

I was born 6 months before the assasination. nilesobek Nov 2014 #225

should look at Justice Integrity Project laserhaas Nov 2014 #226

Thank you! Outstanding resource!!!!!!! Octafish Nov 2014 #239

He's one cool attorney laserhaas Nov 2014 #242

Well... Octafish Nov 2014 #246

I Object, to assumption of facts not in evidence. laserhaas Nov 2014 #247

Thank you for the kind correction. Octafish Nov 2014 #253

I concur (and she's worse than you think) laserhaas Nov 2014 #255

I was in Catholic school. They sent us home. raven mad Nov 2014 #235

I remember the day like it was yesterday BlueJac Nov 2014 #241

My Dad always believed the republicans were behind the assassination. B Calm Nov 2014 #243

A TRUE HERO turbinetree Nov 2014 #245

The fact that during the 50-year discussion last year the words "accused" and "alleged" Boomerproud Nov 2014 #249

Case Closed, here's the dirty truth the MSM doesn't want you to know HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #252

K&R woo me with science Nov 2014 #259

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