Michael Brown’s mother may face felony armed robbery charges: report

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12. I said no such thing

If Brown was shot for being a suspect in the robbery of the store that would clearly be illegal. The only reason a police officer can shoot someone is if they present an immediate threat to themselves or others. Just try and find anything I said that even remotely indicated that Brown was shot because he robbed a store.

BS again on claiming I said Brown attacked the officer for no reason. I said that I believe Brown attacked the officer because he robbed the store and didn't want to get arrested for committing a felony robbery. I said it was JOHNSON that claimed WILSON attacked BROWN for no reason.

AGAIN, I don't give a shit what the police chief said days after the incident. What we know NOW is entirely different. According to police and EMT radio calls the Post-Dispatch posted a time line of the initial incident...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ferguson-police-radio-calls-surface-from-michael-brown-shooting/
CBS News November 14, 2014, 10:32 PM
Ferguson police radio calls surface from Michael Brown shooting

At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a "stealing in progress" at the Ferguson Market and a brief description of the suspect, who was believed to have taken a packet of cigars. Officers were told to look for a black male wearing a white T-shirt, running toward the QuikTrip convenience store. Additional information was soon added: the man was wearing a red Cardinals hat, khaki shorts and yellow socks; a second man was with him.

At noon, Wilson asked the officers searching for the robbery suspects if they needed assistance. An officer responded that the men had disappeared.

Two minutes later, at 12:02 p.m. Wilson radioed in, "Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car," a request for additional officers.

Sources have told the newspaper that prior to making that call, Wilson claimed he told Brown and his friend Dorian Johnson to stop walking in the street. Wilson said it was after that that he recognized that Brown matched the robbery suspect's description, called for backup and stopped his SUV next to the two men.


* bold emphasis mine

This also corroborates Dorian Johnson's version of events in part - that he and Brown were initially stopped the FIRST time because they were walking in the street (not jaywalking - I already explained the difference to you). They briefly spoke, and Wilson let them go on their way. Wilson then sped up to them a SECOND time where the altercation in the car occurred and the initial shot/s were fired inside the car, Brown then ran but turned back to the officer.

Johnson and some other witness claimed that at that point Brown surrendered with his hands up while we have since learned that the grand jury has questioned many witnesses where some claim that Brown put his hands up and didn't move forward while others claim that he either didn't put his hands up or only held his arms out away from his sides and then ran toward Wilson at which time Wilson fired the shots that killed him. The latter is what Wilson apparently claimed occurred.

There was also the video where in the audio you can hear a man explaining that he saw what happened and that he thought the officer was missing all of his shots because Brown was still running toward him. That man's voice comes in around 6 minutes into the video. He repeats this and other details I can't quite catch but that sounds like he said that Brown was running away and then turned around and ran toward Wilson. He also says something a few times about the officer's "truck" though with all the other voices and wind noise, etc. I couldn't catch that. Supposedly the individual heard in the audio that said Brown ran toward Wilson and kept running because he thought the officer's shots were all missing him was one of the witnesses that testified before the grand jury.

And now you're accusing me of repeating things from the rightwing blogsphere. Holy fucking cow. And this after you got everything I said completely wrong. I've seen some of the racist stupid shit from the rightwing blogsphere about a lot of things, but I only see them HERE because I don't go to the rightwing blogsphere or any wing blogsphere, don't read anyone's blog about anything or facebook or any of that stuff nor do I read asinine comments from boobs in comment sections particularly Yahoo because I already know that nuts say really nutty things. I don't get any tv and haven't for years and I could give a rat's ass what crazy stupid shit lunatic rightwinger has to say about anything. I spend a good portion of my time here trashing threads that mention anything about what some crazy rightwinger has said since it's guaranteed to be something lunatic/offensive so why bother. I've got 10 or more years here of posts that are so liberal (I'm not ashamed of that word and won't use the shiny new "progressive" term) most people here would think I was nearly all the way to being a communist.

I rarely ever say a thing about politics here because for the most part I think most of the people here treat it like a football game between R's and D's than actual policies. I grew up under Carter, most of my teachers fought in Vietnam, protested Vietnam, burned bras, went to Woodstock (the only actual Woodstock there was or will ever be) still wore fringed suede vests, moccasins and big plastic peace signs on strings of beads when not in class. All of my 5 siblings are significantly older than me and WERE hippies - the real ones. They still are with a different wardrobe as well as I am through association and still have bits of the wardrobe and wear them. Still have my plastic peace sign and "Make Love Not War" button on my bedroom mirror.

If I ever said what I actually think about every single president since Carter I'd likely be run out of here on a rail for not pompom waving Dems that fucking suck donkey dung. I switched to registered independent after the curse of Reagan because the Dem party left me and threw in with big money interests that of course would be repaid in favorable policy despite their honey coated lying excuses. I don't pay one single bit of attention to what any politician says since they're all filthy snake oil salesmen out for themselves from bottom to top because that's how fucked up this country's political system is. I hate this fucking country, and if any decent one would have me I'd be outta here without bothering to pack a bag first or put my shoes on even if I had to struggle the rest of my life to learn another language.

I utterly despise bigotry in any form and of course that includes racism because I was brought up to view every individual as their own individual person and why I don't understand bigotry like this perverse hatred of all police officers. The worst racism and bigotry I've ever seen anywhere in my life is right here at DU and ironically more by those people claiming to hate racism like these disgusting comments about the racial make up of the grand jury in the Brown/Wilson case as if the races of those individual people will cause them to vote based on their own race or someone else's rather than on the evidence. Something like that would never even occur to me because despite people trying so hard here I still see people as individuals with their own personalities and characters that race, gender, political letters, sexual orientation, location, employment, height, weight, shoe size, or whatever don't have a fucking thing to do with who they are. I would never think to judge anyone without evidence of their character and particularly not anyone I don't even know even exists. How is that even possibly without bigotry?

No, I don't tremble and bite my nails any time a cop car goes by because I'm not a fucking bigot that sees an entire group of people the vast majority of which I don't even know exist at all as one entity rather than individual people that are actually human, that need to work for a living, like their job to be as hassle free as possible, collect their paycheck and go home to their family, hobbies, pets, the latest book they're reading, a nap on the sofa or whatever it is that they do that makes them uniquely themselves. I like police officers. I like talking to them. They have vastly interesting jobs that there's no amount of money you could pay me to do. They're the most stalwart people I've ever met. Things that would have me as serene as I generally am (so much so I've been accused of being comatose) being a hair away from bashing anything in sight with a large blunt object and screaming my lungs into to dust they don't even bother to raise an eyebrow at. They spend their lives being called pigs and every derogatory insult under the sun yet it's like water off the back of a duck to them.

And I know what it's like to be judged by strangers who don't even know I exist because of the job I did. I worked naked for a living for about 15 years and as much as it didn't bother me all the disgusting rude and evil things I was accused of before "hello," being referred to as a "ho" by the manager, having to be more afraid of the bouncers that were supposed to protect us because they never stopped trying to climb into our nether regions, being accused of being stupid a drug addict that my "man" made me do the job because I was too dumb to find a "real man" that wouldn't LET me do this job, that I must be old enough to be their grandmother etc., etc., etc., though I couldn't come close to being as stalwart about the unwarranted abuse as they were. More often than not it was me going home with their money though, so who is really the stupid one?

Stop judging people you don't even know exist as being evil inhuman beings just because of the job they do, and if you won't then don't be pointing fingers at anyone that judges people they don't even know exist because of their race. It's the same thing. It's all bigotry that has no place in any society. How is it that you don't realize that judging anyone because of their race, the job they do, the state they live in, who they vote for, who they have sex with, what gender they are, what car they drive or whatever crazy superficial criteria you can come up with instead of their unique individual selves is all equivalent to the racism that you claim to abhor? How is it that you don't realize that the only way to stop racism to to stop judging entire groups of people as though they were a single entity of clones and not the unique individuals they are based on the evidence of their actions and character?

Check your own bigotry before pointing fingers at anyone else for theirs. Set the example of not judging anyone because of any superficial group criteria rather than as their own unique individual selves. I've been doing that my whole life which is why I will never ever understand this insane bigotry against all police officers or all black people or all Texans or all R's or all D's or all females or all males or any other superficial group criteria one can come up with. It's completely illogical, and of course you wouldn't want anyone judging you based on some superficial group criteria, so why on earth would subject anyone else to that?

Think what you like of me. You will anyway. I already know it won't be based on evidence but on a personal bigoted agenda. Just as you and everyone else here in the cop hater brigade immediately judged Wilson for no other reason than because he's a cop. You've made it as clear as can be that you judge every single cop not based on their unique individual selves but the fact that they are one even the vast majority who you don't even know exist. You actually think it's normal to be paranoid about every single cop. I've never even heard of anything so crazy anywhere ever other that right here at DU. And what is particularly galling is that I know that if you ever needed police assistance for anything you'd call them, if they knew about your insane hatred for them they'd come anyway, help you, and your insane hatred for them wouldn't move them one iota. And you'd go right on hating every cop on earth for no logical reason.