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120. I refuse your claim that you can't blame the tool.

Thu Dec 22, 2011, 04:35 PM

Dec 2011

I can easily blame a tool that shouldn't be used in non life threatening and would not have been replaced with use of a gun. Hundreds of innocent people would still be alive if police didn't have tasers.

How many taser deaths must I post where the victim never threatened the police before one decides that maybe it was the fact that a tool was available that caused an innocent life to be taken?

Here's a deaf man who was tasered to death on his bicycle for not stopping:

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/news_cut/archive/2011/11/another_taser_death.shtml

Here is a woman in a WHEELCHAIR who was tased to death:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/642742453/634684

Here's a teenager murdered by taser for resisting arrest:

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-05-28/justice/michigan.taser.death_1_taser-non-lethal-force-dwyer?_s=PM:CRIME

Here's another case:

http://www2.dailyprogress.com/news/2011/oct/25/suit-claims-negligence-taser-related-death-ar-1410321/

And another:

http://reason.com/blog/2011/07/24/allen-kephart-taser-death-evid

Here's a Polish guy who didn't understand english getting tasered to death:

Here's a guy who got tasered to death for honking at a police officer:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/02/us-taser-death-idUSTRE78106C20110902

Are you telling me these people would have all died even if the authorities had no access to a taser? Would the cops shoot all these people? How else would they DIE?

seriously...

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