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KingCharlemagne

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26. OK, but if your investment 'win' (or capital gain) comes at the expense of my

Sat Dec 13, 2014, 02:42 PM

Dec 2014

investment 'loss' (or capital loss), haven't your profits come at the expense of my losses? Every winner must needs be paired with a loser and if your win comes as a result of insider information you have gleaned whether by paying for it or not, it seems to me you have an advantage you would not otherwise have gained, one that comes at my expense. Isn't that the classic defintiion of a 'tort'?

Again, IANAL so am using what I hope is a layperson's common sense in my approach, while recognizing that the law carves out special definitions and meanings of commonly understood terms.

Wasn't Martha Stewart prosecuted and convicted for exactly this type of 'insider trading'? IOW, IIRC, she didn't pay anything for the insider info she acted upon but her actions to get out of that stock ahead of the news allowed her to escape the losses that were inflicted upon the unwitting souls who purchased the stocks she unloaded.

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OK, but if your investment 'win' (or capital gain) comes at the expense of my KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #26

I agree with you. And as far as I know, it's called 'insider trading' and has sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #44

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