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msanthrope

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208. Okay....this poster has written the funniest line in all of recorded DU.....

Reply to Orrex (Reply #173)

Wed Dec 17, 2014, 03:50 PM

Dec 2014

That endless scary space between my ears must scare the hell out of you.

I nearly peed myself laughing.

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James Randi: debunking the king of the debunkers [View all] Octafish Dec 2014 OP

Lying is extremely profitable ... JEFF9K Dec 2014 #1

Absolutely. Here's Why the Big Money goes into the Big Lie... Octafish Dec 2014 #22

I can never tell when you are serious. If you are it scares me. nt Logical Dec 2014 #31

So, you never heard of the Powell Memorandum? Octafish Dec 2014 #73

I love that your thread turned into a thread honoring Randi! Perfect! Nt Logical Dec 2014 #80

Really? Where? In your mind? Octafish Dec 2014 #84

Let's see, you have 3, maybe 4 sympathetic posters in this thread... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #95

So what? Octafish Dec 2014 #103

What truth? Seriously, all I see are lies defaming him for no better purpose than... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #105

Big fail. zappaman Dec 2014 #113

LOL, And that defines you in one sentence! Nt Logical Dec 2014 #100

Perfect! zappaman Dec 2014 #114

It did? Who is honoring Randi? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #121

LOL, that explains a lot about you. nt Logical Dec 2014 #152

I know, that's why I posted it, in case anyone didn't 'know a lot' about me. sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #174

I do love your name! :-) nt Logical Dec 2014 #175

One of the reasons about 5-6 people come here snooper2 Dec 2014 #198

Really? That explains why you denigrated me for holding an interest in the assassination of JFK. Octafish Dec 2014 #206

to be honest, I don't know a conspiracy theory you don't have an interest in.... snooper2 Dec 2014 #207

You are confused, then. Octafish Dec 2014 #258

They call everything they want people to be silent about a CT. And whenever sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #298

+1...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #259

Well, edhopper Dec 2014 #136

Nailed it... SidDithers Dec 2014 #138

Then you have no idea about my ''agenda.'' Octafish Dec 2014 #282

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #2

Nothing to say about the subject of the post? Octafish Dec 2014 #263

Nope. Just laughing my ass off at your sad attempt to discredit Randi.. SidDithers Dec 2014 #265

Wrong, again. The OP is an article detailing Randi and how he operates to discredit others. Octafish Dec 2014 #266

Sure it is. You go on believing that, octafish of DU, if it makes you feel better...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #268

Not belief. Fact. Octafish Dec 2014 #271

Your idea of what is and isn't a "fact" leaves much to be desired... SidDithers Dec 2014 #272

Which is why you've never shown where I was wrong, siddithers of DU. Octafish Dec 2014 #273

So the complaint is that he did not properly document that dogs don't have ESP? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #3

Yes, the snake oil salesman with the dog ESP "data" is somehow the victim? Of what, the truth? Fred Sanders Dec 2014 #7

A pet owner knows their cat or dog gets to know the routines in the home. alfredo Dec 2014 #81

Hey quit using that logic and stuff! It Is more fun to believe dogs can read my mind. nt Logical Dec 2014 #99

They can't read, they just look at the pictures. alfredo Dec 2014 #108

Mine can read TlalocW Dec 2014 #302

Ha! alfredo Dec 2014 #306

And when they hear crumbling plastic-foil, they know there will be an opportunity to beg for food. DetlefK Dec 2014 #132

Or the most inopportune time to stick their nose in some lady's crotch. alfredo Dec 2014 #156

Yeah, our cat can hear my husband's car too arikara Dec 2014 #186

Is it hearing, or is it knowing to expect him soon? alfredo Dec 2014 #201

No, the complaint is a pattern of dishonesty on Randi's part CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #125

LOL, he has exposed 100s of scams, I'll trade that for a few mistakes. Wow, you are desperate. nt Logical Dec 2014 #153

we're talking about a deliberate attempt on Randi's part to deceive people. AlbertCat Dec 2014 #160

My data?? WTF, it's right in the freakin' article FFS CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #229

The article is a dishonest hit piece, nothing more, nothing less... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #231

You seem like the one with the "cherished beliefs" here CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #236

I think the point he made went over your head, like by a mile or more. Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #239

Not sure how you can have missed this, but I'll try again CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #251

Randi, 14 fucking years ago, admitted to a mistake, when the fuck is this latest breaking news?!? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #252

The article is a dishonest hit piece, nothing more, nothing less... AlbertCat Dec 2014 #261

No it's not. zappaman Dec 2014 #234

One might ask after Sheldrake's data as well... Orsino Dec 2014 #4

I wish someone would do the damn test. joshcryer Dec 2014 #9

"Sheldrake ran a number of studies on a dog that seemed to know when its owner was coming home." hatrack Dec 2014 #5

They know your routine, they know the sound of your car. alfredo Dec 2014 #82

Or, it is merely confirmation bias. longship Dec 2014 #178

Until there is a good study, that's all we can go on. alfredo Dec 2014 #182

Yup. Because there is no ESP (in any life form). longship Dec 2014 #185

Randi needs to take on trickle down economics. alfredo Dec 2014 #199

That would be a good one. longship Dec 2014 #203

My daughter's dog knows when its time for dinner bhikkhu Dec 2014 #88

That's not really an accurate characterization CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #126

You realize no one has proved it is true, correct? No one!!! nt Logical Dec 2014 #155

it's the fact that Randi lied about it. AlbertCat Dec 2014 #162

Something I don't understand: Sheldon Cooper Dec 2014 #6

Becoming "sleepless with fury" doesn't seem very "rational" to me. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #10

Such as marketing Homeopathy as cures? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #15

No. I'm only talking about people who believe something quietly by themselves. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #23

That's the point though, Sheldrake is committing open fraud or bad science, take your pick... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #28

How does positing that dogs have ESP harm anyone? scarletwoman Dec 2014 #51

You can claim that dogs have ESP till you are blue in the fact, but don't claim... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #53

Science vs. "...I can't even imagine..." CanSocDem Dec 2014 #140

What trouble? All I see are people lying through their teeth to disparage a man who... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #233

Yeah.... lies are OK AlbertCat Dec 2014 #164

In other words, you think people should only be "allowed" to think as you would have them think. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #235

People should be "allowed" to peddle lies as truth? AlbertCat Dec 2014 #262

Do you object to adults making decisions about their own lives? Do you want the sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #119

I would like for the government to prevent fraudsters from committing fraud.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #122

A slightly more detailed, more profanity laden answer... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #124

Your right to worship the moon people who created the pyramids snooper2 Dec 2014 #200

What's the matter? You'd rather look at freeway traffic than the sky? You know sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #214

That is profound. Octafish Dec 2014 #296

the "faith healers" that Randi debunked were causing harm. m-lekktor Dec 2014 #16

Did you miss the part of my post where I said, scarletwoman Dec 2014 #45

The problem with your bigfoot and UFO examples is they are ambiguous... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #54

If I came across someone who thought the Earth was flat I'd certainly be taken aback. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #61

Um edhopper Dec 2014 #67

"Do you know any skeptics?" Well, they seem to be all over DU, so maybe I do. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #69

The quote is not yours edhopper Dec 2014 #70

Well, Big Pharma has killed people, how many did this guy kill? sabrina 1 Dec 2014 #172

Generally speaking I wouldn't, unless they are trying to make money off it, by... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #13

Sheldon would understand it. nt Logical Dec 2014 #19

Ha! Great point. n/t trotsky Dec 2014 #141

Um edhopper Dec 2014 #21

That's part of the smear of the article: to make the rational appear irrational. arcane1 Dec 2014 #29

No justice, no peace. nt greyl Dec 2014 #104

Who lets themselves become "sleepless with fury" over what someone else believes? trotsky Dec 2014 #137

Because that's a typical strawman unleashed when attacking a skeptic. chrisa Dec 2014 #275

It's not a bad thing to get het up about... Orsino Dec 2014 #307

Thank you, Octafish. scarletwoman Dec 2014 #8

You are most welcome, scarletwoman! It turns out Amazing Randi skeptics flock together on DU. Octafish Dec 2014 #74

Something tells me you don't really know much about skeptics. nt Logical Dec 2014 #102

oooh! Now this means homeopathy and natural cures are real science! wyldwolf Dec 2014 #11

Guess so. It's their business. Octafish Dec 2014 #85

Really? An article that failed to do that doesn't help, nor your supporters... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #91

What are you going on about? Long Drive Dec 2014 #120

Are you an alt? I was talking about what was already posted on this thread at the time... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #123

Welcome back to DU! zappaman Dec 2014 #184

that was really uncalled for! G_j Dec 2014 #274

James Randi is like the enigmatic wise man you climb a million steps up a mountain to see. chrisa Dec 2014 #12

And a eugenicist? In which case, not as wise as he (or you) thinks. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #32

Why not link to James Randi's response? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #46

It's in the linked article. Now he says he didn't say it. Maybe he didn't, maybe NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #57

You don't get to get away from responsibility that easily, that's a piss poor excuse... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #58

It's not my responsibility to correct the record or decide who's right. I responded to NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #71

Your responsibility, as it were, would be to at least attempt to be accurate in your posts... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #90

Oh for gosh sake. I responded to a link from a legitimate media source (The Telegraph). NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #195

I'm saying that you are disparaging someone consciously by repeating ambiguous information... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #230

No, not really. Octafish Dec 2014 #86

"Phony" haha. zappaman Dec 2014 #115

Lol. Sorry Octafish. Luv ya but no dice. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #14

Feel free to disagree, Hassin Bin Sober. Octafish Dec 2014 #76

I just don't see him being angry and verbally aggressive. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #79

Maybe. Here's more from what the NYT wrote about Randi... Octafish Dec 2014 #89

I don't see how that is relevant, is Randi not allowed to be human, not allowed to love? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #93

Love has nothing to do with the article. It does demonstrate that Randi's integrity is variable. Octafish Dec 2014 #96

For the man he is in love with, are you fucking kidding me? I would have done the same... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #97

A man edhopper Dec 2014 #135

Irony! zappaman Dec 2014 #116

I don't think you know what "irony" is... CanSocDem Dec 2014 #142

Okey dokey professor. zappaman Dec 2014 #183

You are treading on thin fucking ice there. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #118

For once, you and I agree. I find the crop circle threads amusing, but this shit crosses the line.nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #211

Disappointed to say the least. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #218

Yep. Isn't it a tragedy what gay couples had to go through before same sex marriage was legal? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #98

That Randi may have not told people about his partner's(now husband's) real identity... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #101

And this is evidence of what, precisely, other than of true love? nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #210

That Randi lying to protect the man he loves from harm or even death NuclearDem Dec 2014 #300

Crop circle logic. nt msanthrope Dec 2014 #303

From my perspective that article elevates Randi's status. hunter Dec 2014 #217

Hey, Octa--Remember Rawlins & sTARBABY? Jackpine Radical Dec 2014 #17

Thanks for the heads-up, Jackpine Radical! Spooks like the paranormal jazz... Octafish Dec 2014 #83

He has exposed a lot of idiots. People overall are gullible. Very disappointing! nt Logical Dec 2014 #18

What is very disappointing? This hitpiece? Its best to look at this article with a skeptical eye. Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #24

I mean Randi has exposed a lot of idiots. I am a huge Randi fan. You are correct..... Logical Dec 2014 #30

He's an idiot himself. NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #34

Do you enjoy looking up made up sources? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #38

It is the quote given in the linked article and the linked article is what I responded NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #41

He's asking for a primary source, do but proving libel is difficult because intent has to be... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #49

As an aside... Adsos Letter Dec 2014 #301

LOL, let me guess, he has insulted some crazy belief of yours? nt Logical Dec 2014 #39

Eugenics has a sordid history, and the quotes from Randi are actually against NewDeal_Dem Dec 2014 #56

On review I may be a little harsh... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #59

Probably crop circles... zappaman Dec 2014 #187

Wow, that explains it. Thanks for the heads up! nt Logical Dec 2014 #204

And it's pretty hilarious how much the most credulous, believe-anything conspiracy theorists... SidDithers Dec 2014 #55

That is so true! Every scientist, athlete, businessman has made mistakes...... Logical Dec 2014 #65

Can you give me an example of Randi exposing a "conspiracy theorist"? CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #129

It would appear there's no response... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #240

Sheldrake? edhopper Dec 2014 #20

And Peter Popoff. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #36

Weird i was just talking about Popoff to someone yesterday. zappaman Dec 2014 #189

Morphic resonance my ass. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #25

Is that coot a libertarian like the asshats he's giving a thumbs up? whatchamacallit Dec 2014 #26

The James Randi Address in Falls Church VA nationalize the fed Dec 2014 #27

This means that Uri Geller was telling the truth all along! arcane1 Dec 2014 #33

Don't link to conspiracy nutcases to prove your "case", which isn't much of one, to put it mildly... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #35

Wow sagat Dec 2014 #43

Not just a run of the mill CT, but an anti-Semitic one on top of that! n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #47

Another link to that anti-Semitic site was posted here a few days ago. greyl Dec 2014 #72

You are posting something edhopper Dec 2014 #40

A shit-bag anti-Semite 9/11 Truther... SidDithers Dec 2014 #63

Too fucking funny... SidDithers Dec 2014 #60

Nice -- the guy you cite is an anti-Semitic lunatic. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #109

Exactly... SidDithers Dec 2014 #145

I alerted on the jury result message from my inbox. That sends a message directly to the admins. NYC Liberal Dec 2014 #196

Green for victory! NuclearDem Dec 2014 #297

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #37

Here was my first exposure to Randi..... Logical Dec 2014 #42

Me too. We knew Randi when $10,000 dollars was a lot of money! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2014 #75

It's sort of funny that I always want someone to claim it.... Logical Dec 2014 #77

Talk about 'low hanging fruit'... CanSocDem Dec 2014 #158

Please link to a peer reviewed paper in a major publication that proves.... Logical Dec 2014 #161

Presumably.... CanSocDem Dec 2014 #167

I will take Randi being correct 99% of the time.... Logical Dec 2014 #171

Integrity requires someone do the right thing 100-percent of the time. Octafish Dec 2014 #267

No edhopper Dec 2014 #269

Excellent point. Octafish Dec 2014 #278

Perhaps edhopper Dec 2014 #279

Really?? Your posts are 100% correct? LOL, now that is funny! nt Logical Dec 2014 #276

Where did I claim they were? Octafish Dec 2014 #277

It's not a matter of "being correct". CanSocDem Dec 2014 #291

The Daily Telegraph knows a LOT about lying Kelvin Mace Dec 2014 #44

Did they help lie America into war, too? Octafish Dec 2014 #270

Fav Randi video. sagat Dec 2014 #48

I love this... Archae Dec 2014 #50

On a scale of zero to Moon Bombing I rate this thread a 6.5 LeftyMom Dec 2014 #52

It's at a 9 with this reply...... msanthrope Dec 2014 #209

He's a great man wheniwasincongress Dec 2014 #62

Do you remember Donald Howard Menzel, UFO debunker from Harvard? Octafish Dec 2014 #94

the three you mentioned are wheniwasincongress Dec 2014 #111

Wrong. They are three scientists who studied the question of UFOs. Octafish Dec 2014 #144

! edhopper Dec 2014 #148

Because a picture really says a lot. To learn, though, try a book. Octafish Dec 2014 #168

I am well aware of the work of these gentlemen edhopper Dec 2014 #170

Well, I read quite a few of those when I was a kid and believed in flying saucers. zappaman Dec 2014 #190

Is there anything you won't believe? snooper2 Dec 2014 #202

Wow… the difference between provocative discussion and concrete thinking... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #241

lol, my favorite. nt BootinUp Dec 2014 #248

He probably faked the milk-can-escape on Happy Days, too Orrex Dec 2014 #64

Well, this thread didn't really go the way the OP had hoped...nt SidDithers Dec 2014 #66

LOL, I thought the same thing. Turned into a thread honoring Randi!! nt Logical Dec 2014 #78

++ true ThoughtCriminal Dec 2014 #87

I wouldn't say that at all CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #127

How do you know what happened to those reading the thread, Sid? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #242

Come clean edhopper Dec 2014 #68

+1 n/t X_Digger Dec 2014 #92

My guess is crop circles. zappaman Dec 2014 #191

As opposed to knowing what creates them. Octafish Dec 2014 #193

"Monitoring" zappaman Dec 2014 #194

it doesn't even need Sheldrake: his fellow skeptics doubt that his anti-epistemological clique MisterP Dec 2014 #106

OK, so I searched for what you claimed, and it seemed to be wrong, here: Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #107

Dubious figure providing a dubious service to dubious parties. ucrdem Dec 2014 #110

I agree Randi kicks ass! zappaman Dec 2014 #112

I'd say a skeptic needs to take on our use and acceptance of torture, JEB Dec 2014 #117

You will never get that from Randi CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #131

Thanks for the info. JEB Dec 2014 #179

Thank you Octafish! Very good article CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #128

... SidDithers Dec 2014 #130

You are most welcome, CrawlingChaos! Octafish Dec 2014 #192

Yes, they are watching you. zappaman Dec 2014 #197

I have to say this Octafish CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #227

James Randi is a hero of rationality and science ProfessorPlum Dec 2014 #133

Eugenics, too. Octafish Dec 2014 #283

government allowing people to harm themselves is not the same as ProfessorPlum Dec 2014 #285

Nor does preventing addicts from self-destructing through treatment programs. Octafish Dec 2014 #293

Agreed. But the lack of that is not eugenics. ProfessorPlum Dec 2014 #305

Next we'll be seeing a post about time traveling radiation. hobbit709 Dec 2014 #134

You might like this site then kentauros Dec 2014 #139

Thank you, kentauros! ''We are skeptical about skeptics.'' Octafish Dec 2014 #220

You're welcome :) kentauros Dec 2014 #224

Hey, kentauros... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #243

Yes, a trickster, charlatan, and cheat who exposes tricksters, charlatans, and cheats... zappaman Dec 2014 #246

In fact, I do not... MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #247

Randi is a magician by profession, magicians, by definition, are charlatans... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #250

Hay MrMickeysMom! :) kentauros Dec 2014 #254

Man… Isn't THIS a quote ! (JR is Taken for a Ride) MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #255

What I have learned in this thread edhopper Dec 2014 #143

And another think I learned is that... SidDithers Dec 2014 #146

True that edhopper Dec 2014 #147

skepticism is the SCOURGE of civilization librechik Dec 2014 #151

That might very well be the single most ridiculous post I'v ever seen on DU Orrex Dec 2014 #173

My thoughts exactly. Curmudgeoness Dec 2014 #205

It's also a plea on behalf of time travel. Orrex Dec 2014 #212

Okay....this poster has written the funniest line in all of recorded DU..... msanthrope Dec 2014 #208

It was a slow pitch with bases loaded. Orrex Dec 2014 #213

So true edhopper Dec 2014 #176

I do hope that this is some kind of (un-funny) joke, mr blur Dec 2014 #216

Thank you, edhopper. Octafish Dec 2014 #221

How about going after the person who posted this drivel? zappaman Dec 2014 #222

Why do you imply I'm a homophobe, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #223

I implied no such thing. zappaman Dec 2014 #225

Can we be truthful when talking about hit pieces? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #244

Post removed Post removed Dec 2014 #245

Randi will be fine. He's part of the accepted narrative, Like Cosby. librechik Dec 2014 #149

* edhopper Dec 2014 #150

He is a pseudoscience nut. nt Logical Dec 2014 #154

with several university degrees and a MUCH larger appreciative audience librechik Dec 2014 #157

Wow, are you really that clueless? Logical Dec 2014 #159

Oooh, I like you. You have really thin skin! librechik Dec 2014 #163

When the fuck was science ever used to corroborate the existence of ESP? Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #237

THIS is the problem.... AlbertCat Dec 2014 #165

excuse me, they are peer reviewed. Oxford doesn't do it any other way. librechik Dec 2014 #169

The burden of proof is on the one making the extraordinary claim Silent3 Dec 2014 #177

He's a phony. AlbertCat Dec 2014 #181

Attack the debunker! AlbertCat Dec 2014 #166

Incredible Randi is incredible that is all (nt) LostOne4Ever Dec 2014 #180

Thanks for another good one Octafish arikara Dec 2014 #188

How is he an asshole? Please illuminate us on this, no lies please. n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #228

I know Randi personally. He is an ethical person. immoderate Dec 2014 #215

Thanks. Is that why you knew his old ED had vamoosed? Octafish Dec 2014 #219

I think I first heard that indirectly, from somebody in local CFI. immoderate Dec 2014 #226

a kick for the humorous posts in this thread. BootinUp Dec 2014 #232

The Sheldrake Kerfluffle frogmarch Dec 2014 #238

There is no reason to believe one word of that CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #249

I believe this is called reaching, and why the fuck is Randi expected to be perfect... Humanist_Activist Dec 2014 #253

Because he demands perfection in those he chooses to denigrate. Octafish Dec 2014 #264

The point is frogmarch Dec 2014 #256

I'm sorry, but it's really not CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #257

Did you read frogmarch Dec 2014 #260

Yes I've read it. It's just a bunch of obfuscation directly from Randi's organization CrawlingChaos Dec 2014 #281

If you believe in one conspiracy theory, chance are you believe in several.... YoungDemCA Dec 2014 #280

Scientists Prove That Telepathic Communication Is Within Reach Octafish Dec 2014 #284

cool! G_j Dec 2014 #286

Smithsonian. Octafish Dec 2014 #288

what a strange thing to post ProfessorPlum Dec 2014 #287

Yeah, that's not telepathic communication... SidDithers Dec 2014 #290

That's not telepathy. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #299

Rupert Sheldrake is a nutcase with Schizotypal Personality Disorder. Odin2005 Dec 2014 #289

Not from what I know. The guy's got his stuff together. Octafish Dec 2014 #292

The Problem With James Randi arnoldruge2014 Dec 2014 #294

Welcome to DU... SidDithers Dec 2014 #295

It doesn't take 10 hours. Like George Carlin said... Major Nikon Dec 2014 #304

Silly hit piece. And when Randi dies I'm sure that the usual suspects GoneOffShore Jan 2015 #308