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In reply to the discussion: CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)214. Remember Thomas Mantell...

Mantell Case (1948)
EXCERPT...
Mantell was an experienced pilot; his flight history consisted of 2,167 hours in the air, and he had been honored for his part in the Battle of Normandy during World War II.
On 7 January 1948, Godman Field at Fort Knox, Kentucky received a report from the Kentucky Highway Patrol of an unusual aerial object near Maysville, Kentucky. Reports of a westbound circular object, 250 feet (76 m) to 300 feet (91 m) in diameter, were received from Owensboro, Kentucky, and Irvington, Kentucky.
At about 1:45 p.m., Sgt Quinton Blackwell saw an object from his position in the control tower at Fort Knox. Two other witnesses in the tower also reported a white object in the distance. Base commander Colonel Guy Hix reported an object he described as "very white," and "about one fourth the size of the full moon ... Through binoculars it appeared to have a red border at the bottom ... It remained stationary, seemingly, for one and a half hours." Observers at Clinton County Army Air Field in Ohio described the object "as having the appearance of a flaming red cone trailing a gaseous green mist" and observed the object for around 35 minutes. Another observer at Lockbourne Army Air Field in Ohio noted, "Just before leaving it came to very near the ground, staying down for about ten seconds, then climbed at a very fast rate back to its original altitude, 10,000 feet, leveling off and disappearing into the overcast heading 120 degrees. Its speed was greater than 500 mph in level flight."
Four P-51 Mustangs of C Flight, 165th Fighter Squadron Kentucky Air National Guard already in the airone piloted by Mantellwere told to approach the object. Blackwell was in radio communication with the pilots throughout the event.
One pilot's Mustang was low on fuel, and he quickly abandoned his efforts. Air Force Captain Edward J. Ruppelt (the first head of Project Blue Book) notes that there was some disagreement amongst the air traffic controllers as to Mantell's words as he communicated with the tower: some sources reported that Mantell had described an object "[which] looks metallic and of tremendous size," but, according to Ruppelt in The Report on Unidentified Flying Objects, others disputed whether or not Mantell actually said this.
The other two pilots accompanied Mantell in steep pursuit of the object. They later reported they saw an object, but described it as so small and indistinct they could not identify it. Mantell ignored suggestions that the pilots should level their altitude and try to more clearly see the object.
Only one of Mantell's companions, Lt. Albert Clemmons, had an oxygen mask, and his oxygen was in low supply. Clemmons and a Lt. Hammond called off their pursuit at 22,500 feet (6,900 m). Mantell continued to climb, however. According to the Air Force, once Mantell passed 25,000 feet (7,600 m) he supposedly blacked out from the lack of oxygen (hypoxia), and his plane began spiraling back towards the ground. A witness later reported Mantell's Mustang in a circling descent. His plane crashed at a farm south of Franklin, Kentucky, on the Tennessee-Kentucky state line.
Firemen later pulled Mantell's body from the Mustang's wreckage. His wristwatch had stopped at 3:18 p.m., the time of his crash. Meanwhile, by 3:50 p.m. the UFO was no longer visible to observers at Godman Field. The Mantell Incident was reported by newspapers around the nation, and received significant news media attention. A number of sensational rumors were also circulated about Mantell's crash. Among the rumors were claims that Mantell's fighter had been shot down by the UFO he was chasing, and that the Air Force covered up evidence proving this. Another rumor stated that Mantell's body was found riddled with strange holes. However, no evidence has ever surfaced to substantiate any of these claims. In 1956, Ruppelt wrote that the Mantell Crash was one of three "classic" UFO cases in 1948 that would help to define the UFO phenomenon in the public mind, and would help to convince Air Force intelligence specialists that UFOs were a "real", physical phenomenon (Ruppelt 30). The other two sightings were the Gorman Dogfight and the Chiles-Whitted UFO Encounter.
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http://www.mufon.com/mantell-case---1948.html
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CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all]
zappaman
Dec 2014
OP
That's what they said to Heflin and about everyone else brave enough to step forward.
Octafish
Dec 2014
#19
I had something like that happen years ago. A friend and I were walking into a
RKP5637
Dec 2014
#158
So, why the big need to denigrate me for expressing an interest in the subject, zappaman?
Octafish
Dec 2014
#55
Sorry Brad but I'm not angry and you're not answering simple yes or no questions.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#114
No it's called a discussion. I even answered first to show you how it's gone.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#122
But this ignores the undoubted fact that space aliens are not visiting Earth.
longship
Jan 2015
#375
So your error smearing me is the only thing worth putting into your DU Journal?
Octafish
Jan 2015
#377
I have never seen someone online as misguided as you are on so many topics......
Logical
Dec 2014
#37
Why the need to smear, zappaman? I wrote what the science and witnesses reported.
Octafish
Jan 2015
#379
So you can disavow religious kooks but I must believe UFO kooks? Done with you! Pathetic. nt
Logical
Dec 2014
#100
So I did some research and found evidence that there was no General Bruno Lemoine in the Air Force
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#240
I'll see your 10 guys and raise you the 1000s who don't think we are being visited by aliens. n/t
zappaman
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#48
you would think guys who think the BFEE controls everything would be thrilled to know the CIA
zappaman
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#78
You do realize that Sagan focused much of his research on the search for extra-terrestrial life?
Bjorn Against
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#103
Please explain to me how the people on your list are more reputable than Sagan
Bjorn Against
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#139
The point is you are claiming the book lacks data when you don't even know what is in it
Bjorn Against
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#177
Yeah, I am pretty convinced he does not know anything about the people on his list
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#227
I found a Wikipedia page that is supposed to list all the Generals who served in the US Air Force
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#238
It appears that not only Wikipedia forgot to mention him, the Air Force did as well
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#241
If you don't want to read his book then you can read his Wikipedia entry
Bjorn Against
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#260
The link actually says more than just that and the book says even more yet
Bjorn Against
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#273
I think that pointing out there is no background info on any of your sources...
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#303
Because a whole bunch of seemingly fake people with fake credentials signed it.
zappaman
Jan 2015
#295
There were many people with impressive credentials telling us Saddam had WMDs as well
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#51
well then perhaps you can tell me the expertise of the guys who signed off on the Cometa Report?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#194
Obviously, the aliens use their cloaking device to hide from the ubiquitous cameras.
arcane1
Dec 2014
#3
Believe me, there are many scientists who would love to write a peer reviewed article
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#31
Because making fun of those exposing America's fascist enemies is its own reward.
Octafish
Dec 2014
#49
I've never seen Sid or anyone else defending the Bushes. Don't you ever get tired of that smear?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#53
What's the word when you post things that have nothing to do with the question?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#218
No, the OP is about the CIA admitting to being responsible for many UFO sightings.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#220
A line from Shakespeare's "King Lear" comes to mind: "Like flies to wanton boys are
KingCharlemagne
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#116
Look, I believe that life is probably pretty abundant in the Universe.
Warren DeMontague
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#83
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Warren DeMontague
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#94
The rest, in a shocking twist, were the fault of the Agricultural Research Service. (nt)
Posteritatis
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#191
And they are responsible for 100% of the anal probing incidents during that time.
Kaleva
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They waited to start on the anal probings until Bush was President. See the
KingCharlemagne
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#120
I find it incredulous that anyone could believe that humans are the only intelligent
panader0
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#93
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KingCharlemagne
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#127
While you're at it, Flannery O'Connor would also repay your efforts. Also, the 19th-century
KingCharlemagne
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If you can believe it, I just ordered Welty on Amazon (?) and they said "people who ordered
panader0
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You will not be sorry. I'd also like to put in a pitch for one of my old
KingCharlemagne
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#143
Carl Sagan's name has been invoked here. Carl was definitely a skeptic; but........
LongTomH
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#99
A few of the problems we have, regarding the chance in being visited by other beings.
BlueJazz
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#125
Awesome stuff. In return I'll leave you with a passage from Dickens' "Great Expectations," where
KingCharlemagne
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#148
Frankly, at this point, I don't believe a damn thing the CIA is saying about any subject.
BeanMusical
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#175
I think CIA agents should do their jobs and stop going on "UFO sightings"
Jeffersons Ghost
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#270
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randys1
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randys1
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You would need to watch one of the specials about the night, before the 10PM mass sighting of
randys1
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The same night of the PHoenix lights, I have seen no less than 3 different one hour shows on tv
randys1
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Yeah, that year, sorry...So basically they didnt see what they said they saw, some of them very
randys1
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#341
When do they "admit to being responsible" for murder, torture, and other assorted crimes?
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Damn--I was on the mandatory holiday leave for the agency I work for, and I miss this thread?
msanthrope
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I've been found out.....you see, my pro-Democratic President stance on a pro-Democratic
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