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216. Was he a friend of Carl Sagan's?

Reply to Octafish (Reply #214)

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 01:31 PM

Dec 2014

It's not that I don't like your answer, its that it makes no sense.
What does this guy have to do with Carl Sagan?

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CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all] zappaman Dec 2014 OP

This time they're telling the truth. Octafish Dec 2014 #1

No, but you can make your own photos if you'd like. zappaman Dec 2014 #8

I prefer reading about the real thing - photographs of UFOs. Octafish Dec 2014 #14

I could take a photo like that... Archae Dec 2014 #15

That's what they said to Heflin and about everyone else brave enough to step forward. Octafish Dec 2014 #19

I saw a UFO when I was 16. Avalux Dec 2014 #34

I saw something very similar and it moved the same way. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #150

I had something like that happen years ago. A friend and I were walking into a RKP5637 Dec 2014 #158

Oh brother... zappaman Dec 2014 #22

Now there you go, making sense... Archae Dec 2014 #24

Because one looks like another doesn't make them the same, does it, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #27

So say the gullible. zappaman Dec 2014 #28

LAST CHANCE TO SEND YOUR DOLLAR!! hifiguy Dec 2014 #36

LOL, I will use that graphic! nt Logical Dec 2014 #39

Gullible, like me and Jimmy Carter? Octafish Dec 2014 #40

yes, Carter saw something he could not identify zappaman Dec 2014 #44

So, why the big need to denigrate me for expressing an interest in the subject, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #55

I asked you some questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #58

You wait... greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #61

He NEVER replies to questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #62

Damn you!!!! greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #68

Nice fucking try zappaman Dec 2014 #73

Which is the opposite of what you posted at #44. Octafish Dec 2014 #80

so answer the questions zappaman Dec 2014 #81

Instead of righteous indignation, try reading my response in #55. Octafish Dec 2014 #84

I can read fine, Brad. I can even read your insults, as always. zappaman Dec 2014 #86

You may, but you don't act like you can read. I've answered twice already. Octafish Dec 2014 #112

Sorry Brad but I'm not angry and you're not answering simple yes or no questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #114

So now I have to answer what you want. Octafish Dec 2014 #117

No it's called a discussion. I even answered first to show you how it's gone. zappaman Dec 2014 #122

It requires more than 'yes' or 'no' because there are things I 'don't know.' Octafish Dec 2014 #131

Thanks for the helpful red highlight! zappaman Dec 2014 #135

Just so you know Frank Zappa saw a UFO ZX86 Dec 2014 #70

yes he could not identify it. zappaman Dec 2014 #71

Your namesake betrays you. ZX86 Dec 2014 #75

I saw something once in the air and I couldn't identify it either. zappaman Dec 2014 #77

He saw a UFO. ZX86 Dec 2014 #85

so? zappaman Dec 2014 #87

UFO doesn't mean E.T, dear. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #174

USOs are cooler! zappaman Dec 2014 #183

Carter UFO edhopper Dec 2014 #181

Jimmy Carter interviewed by the Skeptics Guide to the Universe. longship Jan 2015 #352

Carter UFO discussed on DU in 2004... Octafish Jan 2015 #353

The interview is in 2007 and he says it wasn't an alien spacecraft. zappaman Jan 2015 #358

Numbers are hard for you, too? 2004. Octafish Jan 2015 #363

Apparently your reading comprehension needs works... tammywammy Jan 2015 #365

edhopper, zappaman, Longship, TammyWammy... Octafish Jan 2015 #367

Yes we know. zappaman Jan 2015 #369

Sigh, yes I knew it was from 2004. tammywammy Jan 2015 #374

But this ignores the undoubted fact that space aliens are not visiting Earth. longship Jan 2015 #375

So your error smearing me is the only thing worth putting into your DU Journal? Octafish Jan 2015 #377

Actually, that was an accident. tammywammy Jan 2015 #382

Well, on SGU he explicitly said that he never thought it alien. longship Jan 2015 #368

Jury Results (<-- Juror #7) X_Digger Dec 2014 #162

Good jury. zappaman Dec 2014 #178

Two questions Reter Jan 2015 #282

Answers. zappaman Jan 2015 #283

I have never seen someone online as misguided as you are on so many topics...... Logical Dec 2014 #37

Show where I'm wrong, Logical. Octafish Dec 2014 #56

Where'd he say a word about aliens? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #57

OH MY GOOD GOD NuclearDem Dec 2014 #59

Eventually we all ask him that. Codeine Dec 2014 #185

Show where I'm wrong, Codeine. Octafish Dec 2014 #196

More on the Cometa Report here zappaman Dec 2014 #203

Are you Codeine, too? Octafish Dec 2014 #205

Nope, just lil' ol' me! zappaman Dec 2014 #208

Oh. That doesn't explain why you never show where I'm wrong, though. Octafish Dec 2014 #211

You talking to me or Codeine? zappaman Dec 2014 #212

I saw Biggfoot once... edhopper Dec 2014 #197

Did you, really? Octafish Dec 2014 #200

Since you dismiss edhopper Dec 2014 #202

It does say it all. Octafish Dec 2014 #206

Just the prominent ones edhopper Dec 2014 #213

Klass was a great person, as was Menzel. Octafish Dec 2014 #215

I thought you said this. edhopper Dec 2014 #229

He called James Randi a "turd" too. zappaman Dec 2014 #230

I guess that goes for others like edhopper Dec 2014 #231

No. I don't like smear artistes. Octafish Dec 2014 #233

But I didn't call him an idiot, did I? Octafish Dec 2014 #232

No, edhopper Jan 2015 #242

Here's the post. Octafish Jan 2015 #289

Do you think edhopper Jan 2015 #290

Do you think it's OK to smear someone to make a point? Octafish Jan 2015 #291

What was the smear exactly. edhopper Jan 2015 #292

He just wants you to get the his smear right. zappaman Jan 2015 #301

I just wondered how Klass edhopper Jan 2015 #316

Klass pooh poohs UFOs being alien in origin. zappaman Jan 2015 #317

No 'Conspiracy Theorist.' Stanton Friedman is a good man, a scientist. Octafish Jan 2015 #348

I meant edhopper Jan 2015 #349

Disinformation. It adds noise and drowns out the signal. Octafish Jan 2015 #350

I didn't ask you to explain edhopper Jan 2015 #351

No theory to it. That's what U-Chicago wrote about one of its graduates. Octafish Jan 2015 #354

Link? edhopper Jan 2015 #357

So does kooky conspiracy shit. zappaman Jan 2015 #359

Why the need to smear, zappaman? I wrote what the science and witnesses reported. Octafish Jan 2015 #379

Nah, truth is probably 90%. nt valerief Jan 2015 #277

This does not surprise me at all Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #2

Yeah, but.... jberryhill Dec 2014 #4

All UFO reports are not like the one you are describing. ZX86 Dec 2014 #25

There is actually a pretty simple explanation for those cases Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #29

Evidence is available if you chose to look at it. ZX86 Dec 2014 #32

Bullshit. Aliens have not are are not visiting earth. nt Logical Dec 2014 #38

The contributors to the Cometa Report disagree with you. ZX86 Dec 2014 #46

I don't give a shit who they are..... Logical Dec 2014 #47

Calling BS on that claim. ZX86 Dec 2014 #54

Easy enough..... Logical Dec 2014 #72

Massive fail. ZX86 Dec 2014 #79

You are flat out lying....... Logical Dec 2014 #91

So wrong. ZX86 Dec 2014 #98

So you can disavow religious kooks but I must believe UFO kooks? Done with you! Pathetic. nt Logical Dec 2014 #100

Once again, what evidence do you have that these guys are kooks? ZX86 Dec 2014 #106

What evidence do you have that my Harvard graduate is a kook? nt Logical Dec 2014 #111

He isn't part of the COMETA report, so therefore he is a kook! zappaman Dec 2014 #115

OK, I get it now!! nt Logical Dec 2014 #126

Basing scientific concliusions on religous belief. ZX86 Dec 2014 #123

So I did some research and found evidence that there was no General Bruno Lemoine in the Air Force Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #240

Oh FFS! ZX86 Jan 2015 #243

Yes, it is pretty embarrassing for you Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #244

Uh....no it's not. ZX86 Jan 2015 #245

I Googled a few of the names on your list Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #246

You want me to do your debunking for you? ZX86 Jan 2015 #249

Are you saying the only info you can find on these guys...debunks them??? zappaman Jan 2015 #251

If I limit my search to Uri Gellar fanboys..... ZX86 Jan 2015 #254

C'mon, embarass us! zappaman Jan 2015 #256

I've already embarrassed you twice. ZX86 Jan 2015 #264

Hah, fuckin classic. EvilAL Jan 2015 #344

No I just want you to prove the people you are citing actually exist Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #252

They exist. Trust me. ZX86 Jan 2015 #255

You are accusing me of pushing conspiracy theories? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #257

The guy has nothing. zappaman Jan 2015 #259

Trust you? zappaman Jan 2015 #258

Except a published report ZX86 Jan 2015 #265

So what are Bruno Lemoine's credentials? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #266

Oh I don't know. ZX86 Jan 2015 #276

When was he a general in the Air Force? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #278

Sometime during the 20th century I believe. ZX86 Jan 2015 #280

He's not listed by the US Air Force tammywammy Jan 2015 #284

What years specifically? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #285

Help us out please. zappaman Jan 2015 #250

I have an idea. ZX86 Jan 2015 #261

thanks for the kicks with your bullshit. zappaman Jan 2015 #262

I got your Cometa Report right here edhopper Jan 2015 #267

This is beyond lame. ZX86 Jan 2015 #271

I don't have to back anything up. ZX86 Jan 2015 #269

I'll see your 10 guys and raise you the 1000s who don't think we are being visited by aliens. n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #48

Please name them and their associated reports and studies. ZX86 Dec 2014 #64

Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." zappaman Dec 2014 #66

Sad how easily people believe stuff. nt Logical Dec 2014 #76

you would think guys who think the BFEE controls everything would be thrilled to know the CIA zappaman Dec 2014 #78

Like I said. Analyzed data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #89

LOL! zappaman Dec 2014 #90

I'm no professor. I defer to experts who have analyzed data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #101

OK Einstein..... Logical Dec 2014 #92

I never claimed to have proof. ZX86 Dec 2014 #108

It has been studied. zappaman Dec 2014 #109

Well then name the study. ZX86 Dec 2014 #128

The FAA does not name their studies Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #134

If the study doesn't have a name. ZX86 Dec 2014 #141

So what scientific data exists to verify these accounts? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #146

Eyewitness testimony is used all the time scientific study. ZX86 Dec 2014 #151

No, science is not based exclusively on eyewitness accounts Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #153

SETI is fine. All else is a waste. nt Logical Dec 2014 #113

UFOs are studied quite extensively Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #119

You do realize that Sagan focused much of his research on the search for extra-terrestrial life? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #103

Carl Sagan did not analyze UFO data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #121

You apparently have not read much Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #124

What part of "analyzed data" don't you understand. ZX86 Dec 2014 #133

Please explain to me how the people on your list are more reputable than Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #139

The members of the Cometa Report collected data, ZX86 Dec 2014 #149

You clearly know nothing about Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #152

How many times do I have to repeat this. ZX86 Dec 2014 #156

Have you read The Demon Haunted World? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #157

How many eyewitnesses did he interview? ZX86 Dec 2014 #159

I ask again, have you read the book? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #160

No I have not but familiar with the premise. ZX86 Dec 2014 #165

The point is you are claiming the book lacks data when you don't even know what is in it Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #177

If you are claiming Sagan has done UFO research. ZX86 Dec 2014 #184

Why are your guys on the list so much more impressive? zappaman Dec 2014 #189

I already linked you to the book, read it Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #225

Good luck. zappaman Dec 2014 #226

Yeah, I am pretty convinced he does not know anything about the people on his list Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #227

Apparently just being a general or admiral is impressive enough zappaman Dec 2014 #228

Try Googling General Bruno Lemoine Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #236

I tried with 3 or 4 of them and gave up zappaman Jan 2015 #237

I found a Wikipedia page that is supposed to list all the Generals who served in the US Air Force Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #238

Sagan obviously doesn't know shit about UFOs like these guys do! zappaman Jan 2015 #239

It appears that not only Wikipedia forgot to mention him, the Air Force did as well Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #241

When my dad, an Air Force Lt. Col., was stationed at Hickam AFB in Hawaii, panader0 Jan 2015 #318

Is this him? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #319

In the time you to took to write all that ZX86 Jan 2015 #247

Sagan based his belief on decades of research Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #248

How many times do I have to repeat this. ZX86 Jan 2015 #253

If you don't want to read his book then you can read his Wikipedia entry Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #260

I get the feeling someone doesn't like to read. zappaman Jan 2015 #263

From your own link... ZX86 Jan 2015 #272

The link actually says more than just that and the book says even more yet Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #273

I've already told you why. ZX86 Jan 2015 #274

You do realize the COMETA report is not a scientific report don't you? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #279

Neither is the Colbert Report. ZX86 Jan 2015 #281

Yes, there is a lot of comic value in it I will concede that point Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #286

What's funny about it. ZX86 Jan 2015 #294

You should know, you are the one who compared it to the Colbert Report Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #296

And you completely abandoned your argument. ZX86 Jan 2015 #300

I think that pointing out there is no background info on any of your sources... Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #303

It's almost sad. zappaman Jan 2015 #305

It is a public report that has existed for years. ZX86 Jan 2015 #307

There are lots of unscientific reports on many issues Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #310

Agreed, the COMETA report is funny. zappaman Jan 2015 #287

Why? ZX86 Jan 2015 #293

Because a whole bunch of seemingly fake people with fake credentials signed it. zappaman Jan 2015 #295

Either they are fake or not. ZX86 Jan 2015 #297

Uh huh zappaman Jan 2015 #298

The report shows who they are. ZX86 Jan 2015 #306

No it doesn't. zappaman Jan 2015 #313

Who said I can't find info on them? ZX86 Jan 2015 #324

yes, we saw the names. zappaman Jan 2015 #328

More sillliness zappaman Jan 2015 #299

So you've finally accepted the fact that the report is legitimate ZX86 Jan 2015 #302

Nope. zappaman Jan 2015 #304

No. It's on you to prove they are untrustworthy. ZX86 Jan 2015 #309

I think I learned a new debate tactic from you Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #311

Admiral Mike Hunt agress with General Douchebag. zappaman Jan 2015 #314

Lame. Lame. Lame. ZX86 Jan 2015 #329

Yes there is a published report from General Douchebag Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #336

How about you try to show who they are? zappaman Jan 2015 #312

If John Alexander is so loony why did you post his opinions? ZX86 Jan 2015 #321

Sorry you don't get why. zappaman Jan 2015 #323

So your position is John Alexander is a loony ZX86 Jan 2015 #333

Yes, he is a loony. zappaman Jan 2015 #337

You didn't think that when you orignally posted his nonsense. ZX86 Jan 2015 #342

Actually that's why I posted it! zappaman Jan 2015 #343

"Yeah...that's why I posted it" ZX86 Jan 2015 #345

I'll try to keep things simpler for you next time. zappaman Jan 2015 #346

LOL, you don't get it..... Logical Dec 2014 #74

There were many people with impressive credentials telling us Saddam had WMDs as well Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #51

Do you have any evidence they are not trustworthy? ZX86 Dec 2014 #95

Those making the claims need to convince me that they are trustworthy Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #96

See post #105 zappaman Dec 2014 #107

The COMETA Report is a joke. zappaman Dec 2014 #105

John Alexander? Seriously? You're quoting John Alexander??? ZX86 Dec 2014 #154

Yes the report was too kooky for the kooks! zappaman Dec 2014 #168

Please explain what is "kooky" about the report. ZX86 Dec 2014 #169

Sure. zappaman Dec 2014 #172

What? You want their college transcripts? ZX86 Dec 2014 #187

No, I would like to know their expertise. zappaman Dec 2014 #188

In what world are generals and admirals not impressive. ZX86 Dec 2014 #195

LOL! zappaman Dec 2014 #199

Guy's M.O. is to get you to waste your time. Octafish Dec 2014 #193

well then perhaps you can tell me the expertise of the guys who signed off on the Cometa Report? zappaman Dec 2014 #194

Time Waster. Octafish Dec 2014 #198

so you don't know either. zappaman Dec 2014 #201

So what? I never claimed I did. Octafish Dec 2014 #207

"So what?" zappaman Dec 2014 #209

Yes, we are--but we are undocumented, so we try to keep a low profile. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #170

Good one! Nt Logical Dec 2014 #171

Obviously, the aliens use their cloaking device to hide from the ubiquitous cameras. arcane1 Dec 2014 #3

Since they can't be trusted... 2naSalit Dec 2014 #5

The UFO phenomenon is intriguing not because of sightings explained. ZX86 Dec 2014 #6

Maybe I should have said "good" ones not "obviously faked" bullshit ones. zappaman Dec 2014 #7

Where are the UFO's? ZX86 Dec 2014 #11

Believe me, there are many scientists who would love to write a peer reviewed article Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #31

The search for life in space is not the study of UFO's. ZX86 Dec 2014 #42

Damn you BFEE!!!... SidDithers Dec 2014 #9

Because making fun of those exposing America's fascist enemies is its own reward. Octafish Dec 2014 #49

I've never seen Sid or anyone else defending the Bushes. Don't you ever get tired of that smear? zappaman Dec 2014 #53

I've been a DUer longer than most. Don't know 'Brad.' Octafish Dec 2014 #60

Ha! No my friend. zappaman Dec 2014 #65

Not odd at all, SOP for some here. Rex Dec 2014 #164

What Exactly Was Carl Sagan Working on with the U.S. Military? Octafish Dec 2014 #182

What's your opinion? zappaman Dec 2014 #190

Remember Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson... Octafish Dec 2014 #204

Speaking of "wasting time" zappaman Dec 2014 #210

Remember Thomas Mantell... Octafish Dec 2014 #214

Was he a friend of Carl Sagan's? zappaman Dec 2014 #216

Remember Frederick Valentich... Octafish Dec 2014 #217

What's the word when you post things that have nothing to do with the question? zappaman Dec 2014 #218

Time Waster. Octafish Dec 2014 #219

No, the OP is about the CIA admitting to being responsible for many UFO sightings. zappaman Dec 2014 #220

If so, why your need to denigrate my responses? Octafish Dec 2014 #221

Oh right, I forgot no one can ever disagree with your "opinions" zappaman Dec 2014 #222

No. The forum you linked to said that. Octafish Dec 2014 #223

Uh huh. zappaman Dec 2014 #224

I also posted the official CIA history on UFOs in post #131. Octafish Dec 2014 #234

Yes. zappaman Dec 2014 #235

OMG!!!! greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #63

could very well be true G_j Dec 2014 #10

I don't know what's more terrifying... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #12

There's gotta be life somewhere. zappaman Dec 2014 #13

We're likely not alone. ZX86 Dec 2014 #17

A line from Shakespeare's "King Lear" comes to mind: "Like flies to wanton boys are KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #116

The old Soviet Union actually encouraged UFO stories... Archae Dec 2014 #16

That is a beautiful photo. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #21

Not exactly. Octafish Jan 2015 #355

!!! MillennialDem Dec 2014 #18

ONLY HALF, SEE? Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #20

It's not an issue of belief. ZX86 Dec 2014 #30

Look, I believe that life is probably pretty abundant in the Universe. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #83

Then how can you explain this? zappaman Dec 2014 #88

Oh, I didn't say that the quantum overmind doesn't communicate via the trans-psychedelic aethernet Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #94

I agree with the guy who posted the video zappaman Dec 2014 #102

I saw a couple classic shows that year, for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #140

Honestly I miss the JG Band even more zappaman Dec 2014 #142

I hear that. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #155

The rest, in a shocking twist, were the fault of the Agricultural Research Service. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #191

And they are responsible for 100% of the anal probing incidents during that time. Kaleva Dec 2014 #23

They waited to start on the anal probings until Bush was President. See the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #120

"cia" was the Sanskrit word for marsh gas 1step Dec 2014 #26

That's just what they want us to think. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #33

LOL, I knew it! Thanks for posting. Many here will be SHOCKED! nt Logical Dec 2014 #35

Not true about cell phones Boreal Dec 2014 #41

Actually it is true zappaman Dec 2014 #45

No, it is not true Boreal Dec 2014 #50

Good idea! zappaman Dec 2014 #52

A wikipedia entry Boreal Dec 2014 #67

Who's debunking? zappaman Dec 2014 #69

Who said anything about aliens? Boreal Dec 2014 #145

One more year and I get my very own starship. Rex Dec 2014 #43

. Takket Dec 2014 #82

I find it incredulous that anyone could believe that humans are the only intelligent panader0 Dec 2014 #93

"Human intelligence," like its close sibiling "military intelligence," is almost KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #127

Now I have to go get some Eudora Welty books. Thanks! panader0 Dec 2014 #129

While you're at it, Flannery O'Connor would also repay your efforts. Also, the 19th-century KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #132

If you can believe it, I just ordered Welty on Amazon (?) and they said "people who ordered panader0 Dec 2014 #137

You will not be sorry. I'd also like to put in a pitch for one of my old KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #143

I guess they want some attention: LOOK AT ME! BootinUp Dec 2014 #97

Carl Sagan's name has been invoked here. Carl was definitely a skeptic; but........ LongTomH Dec 2014 #99

By me and I don't if others did, haven't had time to read them all BootinUp Dec 2014 #110

The point I tried to make is, that he did engage in a polite dialogue. LongTomH Dec 2014 #118

Polite dialogue, what's that? Quantess Dec 2014 #173

The point of this thread was to waste time as someone else pointed out. Rex Jan 2015 #370

Thanks for the kick.... zappaman Jan 2015 #371

Hey I can waste your time too, not like it is hard. Rex Jan 2015 #372

!!! zappaman Jan 2015 #373

The Truth is out there.... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #104

A few of the problems we have, regarding the chance in being visited by other beings. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #125

These are some excellent points you make (from the Skeptical side of KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #138

I forget who said this but I thought it was pretty cool. > BlueJazz Dec 2014 #147

Awesome stuff. In return I'll leave you with a passage from Dickens' "Great Expectations," where KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #148

Well, this got weird in no time at all. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #130

I thought people would be thrilled that the CIA copped to this! zappaman Dec 2014 #136

Makes sense, but the other half were actual alien spacecraft sightings. Kablooie Dec 2014 #144

Best thread of 2015. And it's not even 2015 yet Number23 Dec 2014 #161

! zappaman Dec 2014 #167

Creative Speculation not good enough for you? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #163

"Baits" not "bates". zappaman Dec 2014 #166

You're the master! MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #179

Thanks! zappaman Dec 2014 #180

Frankly, at this point, I don't believe a damn thing the CIA is saying about any subject. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #175

THANKS MFM008 Dec 2014 #176

And we should believe the Boy Who Cried "CIA!" now because...? WinkyDink Dec 2014 #186

Not UFOs - Fuckin’ Foo Fighters! frogmarch Dec 2014 #192

K&R for the truth Rex Jan 2015 #268

I think CIA agents should do their jobs and stop going on "UFO sightings" Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #270

When I read that there were more exo-planets than people on earth JonLP24 Jan 2015 #275

I did not realise that you had a female face to your name! akbacchus_BC Jan 2015 #288

The Phoenix lights where everyone sees what is clearly flares, is not the part randys1 Jan 2015 #308

Likely man made. zappaman Jan 2015 #315

Every eye witness described it as the size of a football field or bigger, as I recall randys1 Jan 2015 #322

Good explanation here... zappaman Jan 2015 #326

different lights, two separate events occurred that night randys1 Jan 2015 #330

Not sure what you are referencing... zappaman Jan 2015 #331

You would need to watch one of the specials about the night, before the 10PM mass sighting of randys1 Jan 2015 #332

What year was this? n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #334

The same night of the PHoenix lights, I have seen no less than 3 different one hour shows on tv randys1 Jan 2015 #335

I think that was addressed in the article I linked to? zappaman Jan 2015 #338

Is your article about 2011? randys1 Jan 2015 #339

Thats why I was asking the year! zappaman Jan 2015 #340

Yeah, that year, sorry...So basically they didnt see what they said they saw, some of them very randys1 Jan 2015 #341

This explanation does not hold water. Not a drop. ZX86 Jan 2015 #356

I see you've given up trying to show us who the guys who signed zappaman Jan 2015 #360

No. I never tried. ZX86 Jan 2015 #361

Sorry you don't even have the confidence to try. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #362

When do they "admit to being responsible" for murder, torture, and other assorted crimes? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #320

Don't hold yer breath. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #325

I won't...unless the humanitarians at CIA waterboard me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #327

I don't know if there are alien crafts or not Marrah_G Jan 2015 #347

The Soviets were the other half Taitertots Jan 2015 #364

More like 25 percent. zappaman Jan 2015 #366

Betty and Barney Hill sure believed in UFOs. trueblue2007 Jan 2015 #376

Damn--I was on the mandatory holiday leave for the agency I work for, and I miss this thread? msanthrope Jan 2015 #378

"Agency" eh? zappaman Jan 2015 #380

I've been found out.....you see, my pro-Democratic President stance on a pro-Democratic msanthrope Jan 2015 #381