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Octafish

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234. I also posted the official CIA history on UFOs in post #131.

Wed Dec 31, 2014, 07:10 PM

Dec 2014

It goes over the stuff from your tweet, except it did that 21 years ago:

According to later estimates from CIA officials who worked on the U-2 project and the OXCART (SR-71, or Blackbird) project, over half of all UFO reports from the late 1950s through the 1960s were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights (namely the U-2) over the United States. (45) This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project. While perhaps justified, this deception added fuel to the later conspiracy theories and the coverup controversy of the 1970s. The percentage of what the Air Force considered unexplained UFO sightings fell to 5.9 percent in 1955 and to 4 percent in 1956. (46)

Did you know you were repeating what the CIA has been saying regarding UFOs for decades, zappaman?

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CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all] zappaman Dec 2014 OP

This time they're telling the truth. Octafish Dec 2014 #1

No, but you can make your own photos if you'd like. zappaman Dec 2014 #8

I prefer reading about the real thing - photographs of UFOs. Octafish Dec 2014 #14

I could take a photo like that... Archae Dec 2014 #15

That's what they said to Heflin and about everyone else brave enough to step forward. Octafish Dec 2014 #19

I saw a UFO when I was 16. Avalux Dec 2014 #34

I saw something very similar and it moved the same way. Jamastiene Dec 2014 #150

I had something like that happen years ago. A friend and I were walking into a RKP5637 Dec 2014 #158

Oh brother... zappaman Dec 2014 #22

Now there you go, making sense... Archae Dec 2014 #24

Because one looks like another doesn't make them the same, does it, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #27

So say the gullible. zappaman Dec 2014 #28

LAST CHANCE TO SEND YOUR DOLLAR!! hifiguy Dec 2014 #36

LOL, I will use that graphic! nt Logical Dec 2014 #39

Gullible, like me and Jimmy Carter? Octafish Dec 2014 #40

yes, Carter saw something he could not identify zappaman Dec 2014 #44

So, why the big need to denigrate me for expressing an interest in the subject, zappaman? Octafish Dec 2014 #55

I asked you some questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #58

You wait... greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #61

He NEVER replies to questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #62

Damn you!!!! greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #68

Nice fucking try zappaman Dec 2014 #73

Which is the opposite of what you posted at #44. Octafish Dec 2014 #80

so answer the questions zappaman Dec 2014 #81

Instead of righteous indignation, try reading my response in #55. Octafish Dec 2014 #84

I can read fine, Brad. I can even read your insults, as always. zappaman Dec 2014 #86

You may, but you don't act like you can read. I've answered twice already. Octafish Dec 2014 #112

Sorry Brad but I'm not angry and you're not answering simple yes or no questions. zappaman Dec 2014 #114

So now I have to answer what you want. Octafish Dec 2014 #117

No it's called a discussion. I even answered first to show you how it's gone. zappaman Dec 2014 #122

It requires more than 'yes' or 'no' because there are things I 'don't know.' Octafish Dec 2014 #131

Thanks for the helpful red highlight! zappaman Dec 2014 #135

Just so you know Frank Zappa saw a UFO ZX86 Dec 2014 #70

yes he could not identify it. zappaman Dec 2014 #71

Your namesake betrays you. ZX86 Dec 2014 #75

I saw something once in the air and I couldn't identify it either. zappaman Dec 2014 #77

He saw a UFO. ZX86 Dec 2014 #85

so? zappaman Dec 2014 #87

UFO doesn't mean E.T, dear. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #174

USOs are cooler! zappaman Dec 2014 #183

Carter UFO edhopper Dec 2014 #181

Jimmy Carter interviewed by the Skeptics Guide to the Universe. longship Jan 2015 #352

Carter UFO discussed on DU in 2004... Octafish Jan 2015 #353

The interview is in 2007 and he says it wasn't an alien spacecraft. zappaman Jan 2015 #358

Numbers are hard for you, too? 2004. Octafish Jan 2015 #363

Apparently your reading comprehension needs works... tammywammy Jan 2015 #365

edhopper, zappaman, Longship, TammyWammy... Octafish Jan 2015 #367

Yes we know. zappaman Jan 2015 #369

Sigh, yes I knew it was from 2004. tammywammy Jan 2015 #374

But this ignores the undoubted fact that space aliens are not visiting Earth. longship Jan 2015 #375

So your error smearing me is the only thing worth putting into your DU Journal? Octafish Jan 2015 #377

Actually, that was an accident. tammywammy Jan 2015 #382

Well, on SGU he explicitly said that he never thought it alien. longship Jan 2015 #368

Jury Results (<-- Juror #7) X_Digger Dec 2014 #162

Good jury. zappaman Dec 2014 #178

Two questions Reter Jan 2015 #282

Answers. zappaman Jan 2015 #283

I have never seen someone online as misguided as you are on so many topics...... Logical Dec 2014 #37

Show where I'm wrong, Logical. Octafish Dec 2014 #56

Where'd he say a word about aliens? Scootaloo Dec 2014 #57

OH MY GOOD GOD NuclearDem Dec 2014 #59

Eventually we all ask him that. Codeine Dec 2014 #185

Show where I'm wrong, Codeine. Octafish Dec 2014 #196

More on the Cometa Report here zappaman Dec 2014 #203

Are you Codeine, too? Octafish Dec 2014 #205

Nope, just lil' ol' me! zappaman Dec 2014 #208

Oh. That doesn't explain why you never show where I'm wrong, though. Octafish Dec 2014 #211

You talking to me or Codeine? zappaman Dec 2014 #212

I saw Biggfoot once... edhopper Dec 2014 #197

Did you, really? Octafish Dec 2014 #200

Since you dismiss edhopper Dec 2014 #202

It does say it all. Octafish Dec 2014 #206

Just the prominent ones edhopper Dec 2014 #213

Klass was a great person, as was Menzel. Octafish Dec 2014 #215

I thought you said this. edhopper Dec 2014 #229

He called James Randi a "turd" too. zappaman Dec 2014 #230

I guess that goes for others like edhopper Dec 2014 #231

No. I don't like smear artistes. Octafish Dec 2014 #233

But I didn't call him an idiot, did I? Octafish Dec 2014 #232

No, edhopper Jan 2015 #242

Here's the post. Octafish Jan 2015 #289

Do you think edhopper Jan 2015 #290

Do you think it's OK to smear someone to make a point? Octafish Jan 2015 #291

What was the smear exactly. edhopper Jan 2015 #292

He just wants you to get the his smear right. zappaman Jan 2015 #301

I just wondered how Klass edhopper Jan 2015 #316

Klass pooh poohs UFOs being alien in origin. zappaman Jan 2015 #317

No 'Conspiracy Theorist.' Stanton Friedman is a good man, a scientist. Octafish Jan 2015 #348

I meant edhopper Jan 2015 #349

Disinformation. It adds noise and drowns out the signal. Octafish Jan 2015 #350

I didn't ask you to explain edhopper Jan 2015 #351

No theory to it. That's what U-Chicago wrote about one of its graduates. Octafish Jan 2015 #354

Link? edhopper Jan 2015 #357

So does kooky conspiracy shit. zappaman Jan 2015 #359

Why the need to smear, zappaman? I wrote what the science and witnesses reported. Octafish Jan 2015 #379

Nah, truth is probably 90%. nt valerief Jan 2015 #277

This does not surprise me at all Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #2

Yeah, but.... jberryhill Dec 2014 #4

All UFO reports are not like the one you are describing. ZX86 Dec 2014 #25

There is actually a pretty simple explanation for those cases Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #29

Evidence is available if you chose to look at it. ZX86 Dec 2014 #32

Bullshit. Aliens have not are are not visiting earth. nt Logical Dec 2014 #38

The contributors to the Cometa Report disagree with you. ZX86 Dec 2014 #46

I don't give a shit who they are..... Logical Dec 2014 #47

Calling BS on that claim. ZX86 Dec 2014 #54

Easy enough..... Logical Dec 2014 #72

Massive fail. ZX86 Dec 2014 #79

You are flat out lying....... Logical Dec 2014 #91

So wrong. ZX86 Dec 2014 #98

So you can disavow religious kooks but I must believe UFO kooks? Done with you! Pathetic. nt Logical Dec 2014 #100

Once again, what evidence do you have that these guys are kooks? ZX86 Dec 2014 #106

What evidence do you have that my Harvard graduate is a kook? nt Logical Dec 2014 #111

He isn't part of the COMETA report, so therefore he is a kook! zappaman Dec 2014 #115

OK, I get it now!! nt Logical Dec 2014 #126

Basing scientific concliusions on religous belief. ZX86 Dec 2014 #123

So I did some research and found evidence that there was no General Bruno Lemoine in the Air Force Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #240

Oh FFS! ZX86 Jan 2015 #243

Yes, it is pretty embarrassing for you Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #244

Uh....no it's not. ZX86 Jan 2015 #245

I Googled a few of the names on your list Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #246

You want me to do your debunking for you? ZX86 Jan 2015 #249

Are you saying the only info you can find on these guys...debunks them??? zappaman Jan 2015 #251

If I limit my search to Uri Gellar fanboys..... ZX86 Jan 2015 #254

C'mon, embarass us! zappaman Jan 2015 #256

I've already embarrassed you twice. ZX86 Jan 2015 #264

Hah, fuckin classic. EvilAL Jan 2015 #344

No I just want you to prove the people you are citing actually exist Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #252

They exist. Trust me. ZX86 Jan 2015 #255

You are accusing me of pushing conspiracy theories? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #257

The guy has nothing. zappaman Jan 2015 #259

Trust you? zappaman Jan 2015 #258

Except a published report ZX86 Jan 2015 #265

So what are Bruno Lemoine's credentials? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #266

Oh I don't know. ZX86 Jan 2015 #276

When was he a general in the Air Force? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #278

Sometime during the 20th century I believe. ZX86 Jan 2015 #280

He's not listed by the US Air Force tammywammy Jan 2015 #284

What years specifically? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #285

Help us out please. zappaman Jan 2015 #250

I have an idea. ZX86 Jan 2015 #261

thanks for the kicks with your bullshit. zappaman Jan 2015 #262

I got your Cometa Report right here edhopper Jan 2015 #267

This is beyond lame. ZX86 Jan 2015 #271

I don't have to back anything up. ZX86 Jan 2015 #269

I'll see your 10 guys and raise you the 1000s who don't think we are being visited by aliens. n/t zappaman Dec 2014 #48

Please name them and their associated reports and studies. ZX86 Dec 2014 #64

Carl Sagan said, "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." zappaman Dec 2014 #66

Sad how easily people believe stuff. nt Logical Dec 2014 #76

you would think guys who think the BFEE controls everything would be thrilled to know the CIA zappaman Dec 2014 #78

Like I said. Analyzed data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #89

LOL! zappaman Dec 2014 #90

I'm no professor. I defer to experts who have analyzed data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #101

OK Einstein..... Logical Dec 2014 #92

I never claimed to have proof. ZX86 Dec 2014 #108

It has been studied. zappaman Dec 2014 #109

Well then name the study. ZX86 Dec 2014 #128

The FAA does not name their studies Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #134

If the study doesn't have a name. ZX86 Dec 2014 #141

So what scientific data exists to verify these accounts? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #146

Eyewitness testimony is used all the time scientific study. ZX86 Dec 2014 #151

No, science is not based exclusively on eyewitness accounts Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #153

SETI is fine. All else is a waste. nt Logical Dec 2014 #113

UFOs are studied quite extensively Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #119

You do realize that Sagan focused much of his research on the search for extra-terrestrial life? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #103

Carl Sagan did not analyze UFO data. ZX86 Dec 2014 #121

You apparently have not read much Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #124

What part of "analyzed data" don't you understand. ZX86 Dec 2014 #133

Please explain to me how the people on your list are more reputable than Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #139

The members of the Cometa Report collected data, ZX86 Dec 2014 #149

You clearly know nothing about Sagan Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #152

How many times do I have to repeat this. ZX86 Dec 2014 #156

Have you read The Demon Haunted World? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #157

How many eyewitnesses did he interview? ZX86 Dec 2014 #159

I ask again, have you read the book? Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #160

No I have not but familiar with the premise. ZX86 Dec 2014 #165

The point is you are claiming the book lacks data when you don't even know what is in it Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #177

If you are claiming Sagan has done UFO research. ZX86 Dec 2014 #184

Why are your guys on the list so much more impressive? zappaman Dec 2014 #189

I already linked you to the book, read it Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #225

Good luck. zappaman Dec 2014 #226

Yeah, I am pretty convinced he does not know anything about the people on his list Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #227

Apparently just being a general or admiral is impressive enough zappaman Dec 2014 #228

Try Googling General Bruno Lemoine Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #236

I tried with 3 or 4 of them and gave up zappaman Jan 2015 #237

I found a Wikipedia page that is supposed to list all the Generals who served in the US Air Force Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #238

Sagan obviously doesn't know shit about UFOs like these guys do! zappaman Jan 2015 #239

It appears that not only Wikipedia forgot to mention him, the Air Force did as well Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #241

When my dad, an Air Force Lt. Col., was stationed at Hickam AFB in Hawaii, panader0 Jan 2015 #318

Is this him? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #319

In the time you to took to write all that ZX86 Jan 2015 #247

Sagan based his belief on decades of research Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #248

How many times do I have to repeat this. ZX86 Jan 2015 #253

If you don't want to read his book then you can read his Wikipedia entry Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #260

I get the feeling someone doesn't like to read. zappaman Jan 2015 #263

From your own link... ZX86 Jan 2015 #272

The link actually says more than just that and the book says even more yet Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #273

I've already told you why. ZX86 Jan 2015 #274

You do realize the COMETA report is not a scientific report don't you? Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #279

Neither is the Colbert Report. ZX86 Jan 2015 #281

Yes, there is a lot of comic value in it I will concede that point Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #286

What's funny about it. ZX86 Jan 2015 #294

You should know, you are the one who compared it to the Colbert Report Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #296

And you completely abandoned your argument. ZX86 Jan 2015 #300

I think that pointing out there is no background info on any of your sources... Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #303

It's almost sad. zappaman Jan 2015 #305

It is a public report that has existed for years. ZX86 Jan 2015 #307

There are lots of unscientific reports on many issues Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #310

Agreed, the COMETA report is funny. zappaman Jan 2015 #287

Why? ZX86 Jan 2015 #293

Because a whole bunch of seemingly fake people with fake credentials signed it. zappaman Jan 2015 #295

Either they are fake or not. ZX86 Jan 2015 #297

Uh huh zappaman Jan 2015 #298

The report shows who they are. ZX86 Jan 2015 #306

No it doesn't. zappaman Jan 2015 #313

Who said I can't find info on them? ZX86 Jan 2015 #324

yes, we saw the names. zappaman Jan 2015 #328

More sillliness zappaman Jan 2015 #299

So you've finally accepted the fact that the report is legitimate ZX86 Jan 2015 #302

Nope. zappaman Jan 2015 #304

No. It's on you to prove they are untrustworthy. ZX86 Jan 2015 #309

I think I learned a new debate tactic from you Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #311

Admiral Mike Hunt agress with General Douchebag. zappaman Jan 2015 #314

Lame. Lame. Lame. ZX86 Jan 2015 #329

Yes there is a published report from General Douchebag Bjorn Against Jan 2015 #336

How about you try to show who they are? zappaman Jan 2015 #312

If John Alexander is so loony why did you post his opinions? ZX86 Jan 2015 #321

Sorry you don't get why. zappaman Jan 2015 #323

So your position is John Alexander is a loony ZX86 Jan 2015 #333

Yes, he is a loony. zappaman Jan 2015 #337

You didn't think that when you orignally posted his nonsense. ZX86 Jan 2015 #342

Actually that's why I posted it! zappaman Jan 2015 #343

"Yeah...that's why I posted it" ZX86 Jan 2015 #345

I'll try to keep things simpler for you next time. zappaman Jan 2015 #346

LOL, you don't get it..... Logical Dec 2014 #74

There were many people with impressive credentials telling us Saddam had WMDs as well Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #51

Do you have any evidence they are not trustworthy? ZX86 Dec 2014 #95

Those making the claims need to convince me that they are trustworthy Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #96

See post #105 zappaman Dec 2014 #107

The COMETA Report is a joke. zappaman Dec 2014 #105

John Alexander? Seriously? You're quoting John Alexander??? ZX86 Dec 2014 #154

Yes the report was too kooky for the kooks! zappaman Dec 2014 #168

Please explain what is "kooky" about the report. ZX86 Dec 2014 #169

Sure. zappaman Dec 2014 #172

What? You want their college transcripts? ZX86 Dec 2014 #187

No, I would like to know their expertise. zappaman Dec 2014 #188

In what world are generals and admirals not impressive. ZX86 Dec 2014 #195

LOL! zappaman Dec 2014 #199

Guy's M.O. is to get you to waste your time. Octafish Dec 2014 #193

well then perhaps you can tell me the expertise of the guys who signed off on the Cometa Report? zappaman Dec 2014 #194

Time Waster. Octafish Dec 2014 #198

so you don't know either. zappaman Dec 2014 #201

So what? I never claimed I did. Octafish Dec 2014 #207

"So what?" zappaman Dec 2014 #209

Yes, we are--but we are undocumented, so we try to keep a low profile. nt tblue37 Dec 2014 #170

Good one! Nt Logical Dec 2014 #171

Obviously, the aliens use their cloaking device to hide from the ubiquitous cameras. arcane1 Dec 2014 #3

Since they can't be trusted... 2naSalit Dec 2014 #5

The UFO phenomenon is intriguing not because of sightings explained. ZX86 Dec 2014 #6

Maybe I should have said "good" ones not "obviously faked" bullshit ones. zappaman Dec 2014 #7

Where are the UFO's? ZX86 Dec 2014 #11

Believe me, there are many scientists who would love to write a peer reviewed article Bjorn Against Dec 2014 #31

The search for life in space is not the study of UFO's. ZX86 Dec 2014 #42

Damn you BFEE!!!... SidDithers Dec 2014 #9

Because making fun of those exposing America's fascist enemies is its own reward. Octafish Dec 2014 #49

I've never seen Sid or anyone else defending the Bushes. Don't you ever get tired of that smear? zappaman Dec 2014 #53

I've been a DUer longer than most. Don't know 'Brad.' Octafish Dec 2014 #60

Ha! No my friend. zappaman Dec 2014 #65

Not odd at all, SOP for some here. Rex Dec 2014 #164

What Exactly Was Carl Sagan Working on with the U.S. Military? Octafish Dec 2014 #182

What's your opinion? zappaman Dec 2014 #190

Remember Felix Moncla and Robert Wilson... Octafish Dec 2014 #204

Speaking of "wasting time" zappaman Dec 2014 #210

Remember Thomas Mantell... Octafish Dec 2014 #214

Was he a friend of Carl Sagan's? zappaman Dec 2014 #216

Remember Frederick Valentich... Octafish Dec 2014 #217

What's the word when you post things that have nothing to do with the question? zappaman Dec 2014 #218

Time Waster. Octafish Dec 2014 #219

No, the OP is about the CIA admitting to being responsible for many UFO sightings. zappaman Dec 2014 #220

If so, why your need to denigrate my responses? Octafish Dec 2014 #221

Oh right, I forgot no one can ever disagree with your "opinions" zappaman Dec 2014 #222

No. The forum you linked to said that. Octafish Dec 2014 #223

Uh huh. zappaman Dec 2014 #224

I also posted the official CIA history on UFOs in post #131. Octafish Dec 2014 #234

Yes. zappaman Dec 2014 #235

OMG!!!! greytdemocrat Dec 2014 #63

could very well be true G_j Dec 2014 #10

I don't know what's more terrifying... JaneyVee Dec 2014 #12

There's gotta be life somewhere. zappaman Dec 2014 #13

We're likely not alone. ZX86 Dec 2014 #17

A line from Shakespeare's "King Lear" comes to mind: "Like flies to wanton boys are KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #116

The old Soviet Union actually encouraged UFO stories... Archae Dec 2014 #16

That is a beautiful photo. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #21

Not exactly. Octafish Jan 2015 #355

!!! MillennialDem Dec 2014 #18

ONLY HALF, SEE? Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #20

It's not an issue of belief. ZX86 Dec 2014 #30

Look, I believe that life is probably pretty abundant in the Universe. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #83

Then how can you explain this? zappaman Dec 2014 #88

Oh, I didn't say that the quantum overmind doesn't communicate via the trans-psychedelic aethernet Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #94

I agree with the guy who posted the video zappaman Dec 2014 #102

I saw a couple classic shows that year, for sure. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #140

Honestly I miss the JG Band even more zappaman Dec 2014 #142

I hear that. Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #155

The rest, in a shocking twist, were the fault of the Agricultural Research Service. (nt) Posteritatis Dec 2014 #191

And they are responsible for 100% of the anal probing incidents during that time. Kaleva Dec 2014 #23

They waited to start on the anal probings until Bush was President. See the KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #120

"cia" was the Sanskrit word for marsh gas 1step Dec 2014 #26

That's just what they want us to think. Nuclear Unicorn Dec 2014 #33

LOL, I knew it! Thanks for posting. Many here will be SHOCKED! nt Logical Dec 2014 #35

Not true about cell phones Boreal Dec 2014 #41

Actually it is true zappaman Dec 2014 #45

No, it is not true Boreal Dec 2014 #50

Good idea! zappaman Dec 2014 #52

A wikipedia entry Boreal Dec 2014 #67

Who's debunking? zappaman Dec 2014 #69

Who said anything about aliens? Boreal Dec 2014 #145

One more year and I get my very own starship. Rex Dec 2014 #43

. Takket Dec 2014 #82

I find it incredulous that anyone could believe that humans are the only intelligent panader0 Dec 2014 #93

"Human intelligence," like its close sibiling "military intelligence," is almost KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #127

Now I have to go get some Eudora Welty books. Thanks! panader0 Dec 2014 #129

While you're at it, Flannery O'Connor would also repay your efforts. Also, the 19th-century KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #132

If you can believe it, I just ordered Welty on Amazon (?) and they said "people who ordered panader0 Dec 2014 #137

You will not be sorry. I'd also like to put in a pitch for one of my old KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #143

I guess they want some attention: LOOK AT ME! BootinUp Dec 2014 #97

Carl Sagan's name has been invoked here. Carl was definitely a skeptic; but........ LongTomH Dec 2014 #99

By me and I don't if others did, haven't had time to read them all BootinUp Dec 2014 #110

The point I tried to make is, that he did engage in a polite dialogue. LongTomH Dec 2014 #118

Polite dialogue, what's that? Quantess Dec 2014 #173

The point of this thread was to waste time as someone else pointed out. Rex Jan 2015 #370

Thanks for the kick.... zappaman Jan 2015 #371

Hey I can waste your time too, not like it is hard. Rex Jan 2015 #372

!!! zappaman Jan 2015 #373

The Truth is out there.... yuiyoshida Dec 2014 #104

A few of the problems we have, regarding the chance in being visited by other beings. BlueJazz Dec 2014 #125

These are some excellent points you make (from the Skeptical side of KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #138

I forget who said this but I thought it was pretty cool. > BlueJazz Dec 2014 #147

Awesome stuff. In return I'll leave you with a passage from Dickens' "Great Expectations," where KingCharlemagne Dec 2014 #148

Well, this got weird in no time at all. NuclearDem Dec 2014 #130

I thought people would be thrilled that the CIA copped to this! zappaman Dec 2014 #136

Makes sense, but the other half were actual alien spacecraft sightings. Kablooie Dec 2014 #144

Best thread of 2015. And it's not even 2015 yet Number23 Dec 2014 #161

! zappaman Dec 2014 #167

Creative Speculation not good enough for you? MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #163

"Baits" not "bates". zappaman Dec 2014 #166

You're the master! MrMickeysMom Dec 2014 #179

Thanks! zappaman Dec 2014 #180

Frankly, at this point, I don't believe a damn thing the CIA is saying about any subject. BeanMusical Dec 2014 #175

THANKS MFM008 Dec 2014 #176

And we should believe the Boy Who Cried "CIA!" now because...? WinkyDink Dec 2014 #186

Not UFOs - Fuckin’ Foo Fighters! frogmarch Dec 2014 #192

K&R for the truth Rex Jan 2015 #268

I think CIA agents should do their jobs and stop going on "UFO sightings" Jeffersons Ghost Jan 2015 #270

When I read that there were more exo-planets than people on earth JonLP24 Jan 2015 #275

I did not realise that you had a female face to your name! akbacchus_BC Jan 2015 #288

The Phoenix lights where everyone sees what is clearly flares, is not the part randys1 Jan 2015 #308

Likely man made. zappaman Jan 2015 #315

Every eye witness described it as the size of a football field or bigger, as I recall randys1 Jan 2015 #322

Good explanation here... zappaman Jan 2015 #326

different lights, two separate events occurred that night randys1 Jan 2015 #330

Not sure what you are referencing... zappaman Jan 2015 #331

You would need to watch one of the specials about the night, before the 10PM mass sighting of randys1 Jan 2015 #332

What year was this? n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #334

The same night of the PHoenix lights, I have seen no less than 3 different one hour shows on tv randys1 Jan 2015 #335

I think that was addressed in the article I linked to? zappaman Jan 2015 #338

Is your article about 2011? randys1 Jan 2015 #339

Thats why I was asking the year! zappaman Jan 2015 #340

Yeah, that year, sorry...So basically they didnt see what they said they saw, some of them very randys1 Jan 2015 #341

This explanation does not hold water. Not a drop. ZX86 Jan 2015 #356

I see you've given up trying to show us who the guys who signed zappaman Jan 2015 #360

No. I never tried. ZX86 Jan 2015 #361

Sorry you don't even have the confidence to try. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #362

When do they "admit to being responsible" for murder, torture, and other assorted crimes? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #320

Don't hold yer breath. n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #325

I won't...unless the humanitarians at CIA waterboard me. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #327

I don't know if there are alien crafts or not Marrah_G Jan 2015 #347

The Soviets were the other half Taitertots Jan 2015 #364

More like 25 percent. zappaman Jan 2015 #366

Betty and Barney Hill sure believed in UFOs. trueblue2007 Jan 2015 #376

Damn--I was on the mandatory holiday leave for the agency I work for, and I miss this thread? msanthrope Jan 2015 #378

"Agency" eh? zappaman Jan 2015 #380

I've been found out.....you see, my pro-Democratic President stance on a pro-Democratic msanthrope Jan 2015 #381