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In reply to the discussion: CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)289. Here's the post.
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2391471
I wrote: "On DU, turds like that are called 'disruptor'" because Klass smeared Stanton Friedman in order to diminish his UFO research.
Here's an example of what Klass has stated on the record about Friedman:
Klass: I did pay Friedman $1,000 in 1989 after he successfully met one of my challenges -- but it was not a "bet" or a "wager" because it was risk-free to him. William Moore and Jaime Shandera, who were two of Friedman's partners in promoting the MJ-12 papers, claim that they discovered a memo in the National Archives purportedly written on July 14, 1954, by President Eisenhower's special assistant, Robert Cutler. The fact that Cutler had actually been out of the country on official business on the day the memo -- which, by the way, was unsigned -- allegedly was written indicated that it was counterfeit. But another suspicious aspect to me was that it had been typed in "pica" typeface rather than the smaller "elite" typeface that was used in all the Cutler office letters that I had obtained from the Eisenhower Library archives. So, thinking I had a sure hand, I offered to pay Friedman $100 for every genuine Cutler letter that he could find that was written on a pica-face typewriter -- up to a total of $1,000. To my surprise, Friedman was able to find about 20 such letters, and I promptly sent him my check. But, mind you, this was more than a year after he had refused my proposed "wager" which could have yielded him many thousands of dollars if he were able to demonstrate that the MJ-12 crashed-saucer documents were authentic -- but which could have cost him money if they proved counterfeit. The evidence that they are phony is overwhelming, as I've detailed in numerous articles.
SNIP...
Klass: As I turn 80, my fondest hope is that a genuine ET craft will land on our back patio and that I will be abducted. Hopefully, with the ETs' advanced technology and knowledge, they will be able to cure my spinal and walking problems and the damage to my vocal cord. Of course, I would have to pay Stanton Friedman $10,000 -- based on my long-standing wager that UFOs will never be proven real -- but I would expect to become wealthy from the royalties of a new book titled Why Me, ET? And instead of spending many hours each week "debunking" UFOs, I'll finally have time to watch some TV, go to the movies, and perhaps get to read a few non-UFO books for enjoyment. I even keep my videocam near my bed in the hopes of being able to film a beautiful "Nordic-type" ET extracting sperm "the old-fashioned way."
SOURCE: http://www.gpposner.com/klass_inter.html
Who's the turd, edhopper?
PS: And while he may be a turd, nowhere did I call him an "idiot."
I wrote: "On DU, turds like that are called 'disruptor'" because Klass smeared Stanton Friedman in order to diminish his UFO research.
Here's an example of what Klass has stated on the record about Friedman:
Klass: I did pay Friedman $1,000 in 1989 after he successfully met one of my challenges -- but it was not a "bet" or a "wager" because it was risk-free to him. William Moore and Jaime Shandera, who were two of Friedman's partners in promoting the MJ-12 papers, claim that they discovered a memo in the National Archives purportedly written on July 14, 1954, by President Eisenhower's special assistant, Robert Cutler. The fact that Cutler had actually been out of the country on official business on the day the memo -- which, by the way, was unsigned -- allegedly was written indicated that it was counterfeit. But another suspicious aspect to me was that it had been typed in "pica" typeface rather than the smaller "elite" typeface that was used in all the Cutler office letters that I had obtained from the Eisenhower Library archives. So, thinking I had a sure hand, I offered to pay Friedman $100 for every genuine Cutler letter that he could find that was written on a pica-face typewriter -- up to a total of $1,000. To my surprise, Friedman was able to find about 20 such letters, and I promptly sent him my check. But, mind you, this was more than a year after he had refused my proposed "wager" which could have yielded him many thousands of dollars if he were able to demonstrate that the MJ-12 crashed-saucer documents were authentic -- but which could have cost him money if they proved counterfeit. The evidence that they are phony is overwhelming, as I've detailed in numerous articles.
SNIP...
Klass: As I turn 80, my fondest hope is that a genuine ET craft will land on our back patio and that I will be abducted. Hopefully, with the ETs' advanced technology and knowledge, they will be able to cure my spinal and walking problems and the damage to my vocal cord. Of course, I would have to pay Stanton Friedman $10,000 -- based on my long-standing wager that UFOs will never be proven real -- but I would expect to become wealthy from the royalties of a new book titled Why Me, ET? And instead of spending many hours each week "debunking" UFOs, I'll finally have time to watch some TV, go to the movies, and perhaps get to read a few non-UFO books for enjoyment. I even keep my videocam near my bed in the hopes of being able to film a beautiful "Nordic-type" ET extracting sperm "the old-fashioned way."
SOURCE: http://www.gpposner.com/klass_inter.html
Who's the turd, edhopper?
PS: And while he may be a turd, nowhere did I call him an "idiot."
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CIA admits to being responsible for at least half of UFO sightings in the 50s and 60s [View all]
zappaman
Dec 2014
OP
That's what they said to Heflin and about everyone else brave enough to step forward.
Octafish
Dec 2014
#19
I had something like that happen years ago. A friend and I were walking into a
RKP5637
Dec 2014
#158
So, why the big need to denigrate me for expressing an interest in the subject, zappaman?
Octafish
Dec 2014
#55
Sorry Brad but I'm not angry and you're not answering simple yes or no questions.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#114
No it's called a discussion. I even answered first to show you how it's gone.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#122
But this ignores the undoubted fact that space aliens are not visiting Earth.
longship
Jan 2015
#375
So your error smearing me is the only thing worth putting into your DU Journal?
Octafish
Jan 2015
#377
I have never seen someone online as misguided as you are on so many topics......
Logical
Dec 2014
#37
Why the need to smear, zappaman? I wrote what the science and witnesses reported.
Octafish
Jan 2015
#379
So you can disavow religious kooks but I must believe UFO kooks? Done with you! Pathetic. nt
Logical
Dec 2014
#100
So I did some research and found evidence that there was no General Bruno Lemoine in the Air Force
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#240
I'll see your 10 guys and raise you the 1000s who don't think we are being visited by aliens. n/t
zappaman
Dec 2014
#48
you would think guys who think the BFEE controls everything would be thrilled to know the CIA
zappaman
Dec 2014
#78
You do realize that Sagan focused much of his research on the search for extra-terrestrial life?
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#103
Please explain to me how the people on your list are more reputable than Sagan
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#139
The point is you are claiming the book lacks data when you don't even know what is in it
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#177
Yeah, I am pretty convinced he does not know anything about the people on his list
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#227
I found a Wikipedia page that is supposed to list all the Generals who served in the US Air Force
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#238
It appears that not only Wikipedia forgot to mention him, the Air Force did as well
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#241
If you don't want to read his book then you can read his Wikipedia entry
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#260
The link actually says more than just that and the book says even more yet
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#273
I think that pointing out there is no background info on any of your sources...
Bjorn Against
Jan 2015
#303
Because a whole bunch of seemingly fake people with fake credentials signed it.
zappaman
Jan 2015
#295
There were many people with impressive credentials telling us Saddam had WMDs as well
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#51
well then perhaps you can tell me the expertise of the guys who signed off on the Cometa Report?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#194
Obviously, the aliens use their cloaking device to hide from the ubiquitous cameras.
arcane1
Dec 2014
#3
Believe me, there are many scientists who would love to write a peer reviewed article
Bjorn Against
Dec 2014
#31
Because making fun of those exposing America's fascist enemies is its own reward.
Octafish
Dec 2014
#49
I've never seen Sid or anyone else defending the Bushes. Don't you ever get tired of that smear?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#53
What's the word when you post things that have nothing to do with the question?
zappaman
Dec 2014
#218
No, the OP is about the CIA admitting to being responsible for many UFO sightings.
zappaman
Dec 2014
#220
A line from Shakespeare's "King Lear" comes to mind: "Like flies to wanton boys are
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#116
Look, I believe that life is probably pretty abundant in the Universe.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2014
#83
Oh, I didn't say that the quantum overmind doesn't communicate via the trans-psychedelic aethernet
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2014
#94
The rest, in a shocking twist, were the fault of the Agricultural Research Service. (nt)
Posteritatis
Dec 2014
#191
And they are responsible for 100% of the anal probing incidents during that time.
Kaleva
Dec 2014
#23
They waited to start on the anal probings until Bush was President. See the
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#120
I find it incredulous that anyone could believe that humans are the only intelligent
panader0
Dec 2014
#93
"Human intelligence," like its close sibiling "military intelligence," is almost
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#127
While you're at it, Flannery O'Connor would also repay your efforts. Also, the 19th-century
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#132
If you can believe it, I just ordered Welty on Amazon (?) and they said "people who ordered
panader0
Dec 2014
#137
You will not be sorry. I'd also like to put in a pitch for one of my old
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#143
Carl Sagan's name has been invoked here. Carl was definitely a skeptic; but........
LongTomH
Dec 2014
#99
A few of the problems we have, regarding the chance in being visited by other beings.
BlueJazz
Dec 2014
#125
Awesome stuff. In return I'll leave you with a passage from Dickens' "Great Expectations," where
KingCharlemagne
Dec 2014
#148
Frankly, at this point, I don't believe a damn thing the CIA is saying about any subject.
BeanMusical
Dec 2014
#175
I think CIA agents should do their jobs and stop going on "UFO sightings"
Jeffersons Ghost
Jan 2015
#270
The Phoenix lights where everyone sees what is clearly flares, is not the part
randys1
Jan 2015
#308
Every eye witness described it as the size of a football field or bigger, as I recall
randys1
Jan 2015
#322
You would need to watch one of the specials about the night, before the 10PM mass sighting of
randys1
Jan 2015
#332
The same night of the PHoenix lights, I have seen no less than 3 different one hour shows on tv
randys1
Jan 2015
#335
Yeah, that year, sorry...So basically they didnt see what they said they saw, some of them very
randys1
Jan 2015
#341
When do they "admit to being responsible" for murder, torture, and other assorted crimes?
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jan 2015
#320
Damn--I was on the mandatory holiday leave for the agency I work for, and I miss this thread?
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#378
I've been found out.....you see, my pro-Democratic President stance on a pro-Democratic
msanthrope
Jan 2015
#381