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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
24. When someone or something is interested in shaping opinion, Yes.
Sun Jan 4, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015
Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government



How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

By Glenn Greenwald
The Intercept, 24 Feb 2014

One of the many pressing stories that remains to be told from the Snowden archive is how western intelligence agencies are attempting to manipulate and control online discourse with extreme tactics of deception and reputation-destruction. It’s time to tell a chunk of that story, complete with the relevant documents.

Over the last several weeks, I worked with NBC News to publish a series of articles about “dirty trick” tactics used by GCHQ’s previously secret unit, JTRIG (Joint Threat Research Intelligence Group). These were based on four classified GCHQ documents presented to the NSA and the other three partners in the English-speaking “Five Eyes” alliance. Today, we at the Intercept are publishing another new JTRIG document, in full, entitled “The Art of Deception: Training for Online Covert Operations.”

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Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today:



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No matter your views on Anonymous, “hacktivists” or garden-variety criminals, it is not difficult to see how dangerous it is to have secret government agencies being able to target any individuals they want – who have never been charged with, let alone convicted of, any crimes – with these sorts of online, deception-based tactics of reputation destruction and disruption. There is a strong argument to make, as Jay Leiderman demonstrated in the Guardian in the context of the Paypal 14 hacktivist persecution, that the “denial of service” tactics used by hacktivists result in (at most) trivial damage (far less than the cyber-warfare tactics favored by the US and UK) and are far more akin to the type of political protest protected by the First Amendment.

CONTINUED w/links, sources, details...

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/

Something I don't believe it did that when I first found it......The Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which passed as part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, seems to have legalized the formerly illegal Operation MOCKINGBIRD in the name of national security post-9/11. Here's a little more of the story:



US Repeals Propaganda Ban, Spreads Government-Made News to Americans

by John Hudson
Foreign Policy, July 14, 2013

EXCERPT...

"They don't shy away from stories that don't shed the best light on the United States," she told The Cable. She pointed to the charters of VOA and RFE: "Our journalists provide what many people cannot get locally: uncensored news, responsible discussion, and open debate."

A former U.S. government source with knowledge of the BBG says the organization is no Pravda, but it does advance U.S. interests in more subtle ways. In Somalia, for instance, VOA serves as counterprogramming to outlets peddling anti-American or jihadist sentiment. "Somalis have three options for news," the source said, "word of mouth, al-Shabab, or VOA Somalia."
This partially explains the push to allow BBG broadcasts on local radio stations in the United States. The agency wants to reach diaspora communities, such as St. Paul, Minnesota's significant Somali expat community. "Those people can get al-Shabab, they can get Russia Today, but they couldn't get access to their taxpayer-funded news sources like VOA Somalia," the source said. "It was silly."

Lynne added that the reform has a transparency benefit as well. "Now Americans will be able to know more about what they are paying for with their tax dollars -- greater transparency is a win-win for all involved," she said. And so with that we have the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act of 2012, which passed as part of the 2013 National Defense Authorization Act, and went into effect this month.

But if anyone needed a reminder of the dangers of domestic propaganda efforts, the past 12 months provided ample reasons. Last year, two USA Today journalists were ensnared in a propaganda campaign after reporting about millions of dollars in back taxes owed by the Pentagon's top propaganda contractor in Afghanistan. Eventually, one of the co-owners of the firm confessed to creating phony websites and Twitter accounts to smear the journalists anonymously. Additionally, just this month, the Washington Post exposed a counter-propaganda program by the Pentagon that recommended posting comments on a U.S. website run by a Somali expat with readers opposing al-Shabab. "Today, the military is more focused on manipulating news and commentary on the Internet, especially social media, by posting material and images without necessarily claiming ownership," reported the Post.

But for BBG officials, the references to Pentagon propaganda efforts are nauseating, particularly because the Smith-Mundt Act never had anything to do with regulating the Pentagon, a fact that was misunderstood in media reports in the run-up to the passage of new Smith-Mundt reforms in January.

[font color="red"]One example included a report by the late BuzzFeed reporter Michael Hastings, who suggested that the Smith-Mundt Modernization Act would open the door to Pentagon propaganda of U.S. audiences. In fact, as amended in 1987, the act only covers portions of the State Department engaged in public diplomacy abroad (i.e. the public diplomacy section of the "R" bureau, and the Broadcasting Board of Governors.)[/font color]

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http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/07/12/us_backs_off_propaganda_ban_spreads_government_made_news_to_americans



Here's another source with the complete article:

http://www.alipac.us/f12/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-americans-283470/

So, there's that.

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During election seasons I certainly do JonLP24 Jan 2015 #1
Some try to come here, but I do think we have a pretty good system of weeding them out hlthe2b Jan 2015 #2
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On the payroll of Karl Rove *and* Rand Paul MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #136
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Au contraire! MannyGoldstein Jan 2015 #150
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I have seen several Hillary supporters like myself called paid shills. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #14
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ISIS? Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #17
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DU helped elect President Kucinich. zappaman Jan 2015 #120
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Entertainment--- snooper2 Jan 2015 #181
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Weren't for snooper2, I might never have reported on Duquesne to DU. Octafish Jan 2015 #188
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Putting words in my mouth again, Brad? zappaman Jan 2015 #198
Why, because I put ''thoughts'' in quotation marks for zappaman? Octafish Jan 2015 #200
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Ask Cass Sunstein, he explained it all very clearly! sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #151
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There are at least a few. LWolf Jan 2015 #19
No, I think it is an accusation people resort to treestar Jan 2015 #20
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When someone or something is interested in shaping opinion, Yes. Octafish Jan 2015 #24
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Nice smear. Show where I'm wrong. Octafish Jan 2015 #77
that's easy. Whether you'll admit you're wrong is the hard part uhnope Jan 2015 #85
Don't hold your breath. zappaman Jan 2015 #91
At least I include links. Octafish Jan 2015 #98
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CIA tells the New York Times what to do. Octafish Jan 2015 #96
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Cognitive infiltration JonLP24 Jan 2015 #39
Cass Sunstein helped get Bush and Cheney off the hook... Octafish Jan 2015 #116
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I'm aware of how propaganda works Lurks Often Jan 2015 #221
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Full? Iggo Jan 2015 #47
There are more anti-Dem trolls Bobbie Jo Jan 2015 #48
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My guess is that Alan Grayson pays somebody to make DU posts mathematic Jan 2015 #51
I wasn't going to mention bare-chested Putin defenders IDemo Jan 2015 #52
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The real question here is what exacly is considered a troll? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #53
anyone that disagree with me. tammywammy Jan 2015 #56
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I seriously doubt there are paid trolls here Generic Brad Jan 2015 #55
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it's a website where people post. Of COURSE there are trolls. But paid trolls? KittyWampus Jan 2015 #62
there's almost no difference between #1 and #2 in your poll hfojvt Jan 2015 #63
As a factual question, yes: plenty of people very sincerely believe that Recursion Jan 2015 #64
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When issues pretty much settled in the democratic party, like women's rights or applegrove Jan 2015 #66
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As the option said, there may be some.. mvd Jan 2015 #68
I sincerely doubt that the nonsense on DU would be posted WITHOUT pay Demeter Jan 2015 #69
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Undeniable Matrosov Jan 2015 #73
TYT: Russia's Online Troll Army Is Huge, Hilarious & Already Everywhere uhnope Jan 2015 #74
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Since I can't pass on an opportunity to answer a poll... BillZBubb Jan 2015 #76
he has made some crappy movies olddots Jan 2015 #78
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Of course not...it's just what people want to believe when they can't beat an argument. ileus Jan 2015 #80
There are a few, but they aren't paid very much. dawg Jan 2015 #81
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I believe there are probably some. Jamastiene Jan 2015 #83
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No. Throd Jan 2015 #87
I must say, the results so far slightly disappoint me. I wish people could see that people simply Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #88
Disappointing? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #107
I think it is batshit crazy to believe people hold different opinions because they are paid to. This Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #168
Both can exist you know. There are people on here who simply disagree. There are some on here liberal_at_heart Jan 2015 #177
o you then believe that people who disagree with your initial premise are not "simply disagreeing"? LanternWaste Jan 2015 #214
I have more of an issue with people not being transparent about who they work for. Starry Messenger Jan 2015 #89
I suspect there are almost as many reasons for posting on DU as there are DUers petronius Jan 2015 #92
Of course wyldwolf Jan 2015 #93
well Mr. Wolf, Could you kindly direct me to a progressive group that would pay me to swing DU Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #169
of course not. I don't hold the keys to the secret society wyldwolf Jan 2015 #191
I think there are a reasonable number of them gollygee Jan 2015 #99
I don't think your attempt at what you thought was a push poll worked out the way you thought. nt. Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #100
why do you think I was attempting a push pole?. Do you SERIOUSLY believe that there are several paid Douglas Carpenter Jan 2015 #184
I can't answer that until I've consulted with my FSB handlers 1step Jan 2015 #101
Clearly, anyone who votes no on this is a paid troll. Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #103
I may be one of them. BlueJazz Jan 2015 #104
Both. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jan 2015 #105
This poll has been trolled. L0oniX Jan 2015 #109
To believe there are paid trolls, one would need to believe there's a reason to have them... brooklynite Jan 2015 #111
I chose pass. I think it is insulting to call people paid shills. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #113
If they turned out to be actual "paid shills" Go Vols Jan 2015 #130
How would you determine if they are paid? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #131
I can't and didn't go into that part Go Vols Jan 2015 #132
Well my point is that it is not pleasant to hear. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #133
Bad things never are. Go Vols Jan 2015 #137
none took the bait here uhnope Jan 2015 #138
Putin is a horrible person. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #139
ya think? uhnope Jan 2015 #142
Why is it insulting? Hutzpa Jan 2015 #159
To be called a paid xhill? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #175
I'm not a paid shill so I have no problem Hutzpa Jan 2015 #215
I agree that creates doubt but i doubt it makes them a shill. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #216
What about volunteer shills? hobbit709 Jan 2015 #167
Do you mean people who sign up with a cause to post about it for no money? hrmjustin Jan 2015 #176
There are suggestions that the Putin regime has online propagandists DemocraticWing Jan 2015 #115
I forgot about those. But there are also a lot of fools out there. JDPriestly Jan 2015 #143
mmm ... beacon AtomicKitten Jan 2015 #122
Paid "trolls?" ScreamingMeemie Jan 2015 #141
People thought I was a paid troll when I first started posting here. Crunchy Frog Jan 2015 #144
Can any of the other operatives here tell me what happened to zappaman Jan 2015 #146
She's been replaced by direct deposit. Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #165
Full? No. Are there some very prominent, very vocal, very anti-Democrat ones here? LadyHawkAZ Jan 2015 #147
I like answering polls Kennah Jan 2015 #153
Dozens of pigs/cops/shitbags all the time easychoice Jan 2015 #154
Now, are all the people who act nasty trolls DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #155
I think there's a few Prophet 451 Jan 2015 #156
Must be, because I've lost count of how many times I've been accused of being one... Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #157
Not sure if anyone is getting paid but... MadDAsHell Jan 2015 #158
Roses are red, area51 Jan 2015 #160
Yep. That's pretty obvious. eom BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #161
PAID trolls? Don't be silly. Joe Magarac Jan 2015 #162
Yes, for both sides davidpdx Jan 2015 #163
There are lots of unpaid trolls... SidDithers Jan 2015 #171
''Trolling is a art.'' - SidDithers to zappaman. Octafish Jan 2015 #180
... SidDithers Jan 2015 #189
Like Henny Youngman used to say all of the time . . . Major Hogwash Jan 2015 #217
paid media are hardly ever banned Sunlei Jan 2015 #172
everywhere is reddread Jan 2015 #173
Is that how Russell Brand spells "bacon"? nt Chiyo-chichi Jan 2015 #174
There must be some Renew Deal Jan 2015 #178
I wouldn't say full... Phentex Jan 2015 #183
No, and DU is one of the few places on the internet we can have a real discussion. chrisa Jan 2015 #192
I have always thought we should be PAID for our information collected online. :) Sunlei Jan 2015 #218
I'm convinced the NSA or its contractors practice psy-ops here. backscatter712 Jan 2015 #193
I'll post for bacon. Real bacon. (nt) Inkfreak Jan 2015 #194
I think there are more who are not honest about their personal motives for posting what they post Bluenorthwest Jan 2015 #195
Maybe not paid, but promised ? fadedrose Jan 2015 #197
Only the people that take this site (and themselves) too seriously... n/t leeroysphitz Jan 2015 #201
Not just here zipplewrath Jan 2015 #206
Please examine the graphic below, and then consider the question in the OP again. Zorra Jan 2015 #208
I think there are far more paid trolls and their sock puppets on Salon. hollysmom Jan 2015 #209
Clusters of pro-gun rights agitators have been turning up here for years. Paladin Jan 2015 #210
Just another_poll NuclearDem Jan 2015 #212
Full of? No. Containing? Yes. LanternWaste Jan 2015 #213
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