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kpete

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Mon Jan 5, 2015, 11:27 AM Jan 2015

All Forms of Life Are Sacred. [View all]

By Chris Hedges

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There will be no justice as long as man will stand with a knife or with a gun and destroy those who are weaker than he is.”



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“The idea that ... animals (are) of lesser moral value is dangerous,” he added. “It creates hierarchies that can also be used within human communities. Once you are sentient, or are subjectively aware, you have one moral right—the right not to be used as a resource. It does not mean you get treated equally for all purposes, but it does mean you are not treated as a slave or as a commodity. A slave is excluded from the moral community. A slave has no inherent value. A slave has only external value. A slave is a thing. This is what we have done to animals. Animals are property. Animal welfare laws cannot work because they are based on balancing the interests of humans and nonhumans. As long as animals are chattel property the animal owners win. As long as animals are chattel property the standard of animal welfare will always be tied to what we need to exploit them because we will generally protect animal interests only to the extent that we get an economic benefit from doing so. Animal welfare reform, for this reason, has usually worked to make animal exploitation more economically efficient. The reason why you have the Humane Slaughter Act of 1958, which requires that large animals be stunned before they are shackled and hoisted, is because if you have a 2,000-pound animal hanging upside down the cow hits workers. Workers are injured. You have carcass damage. If you look at the arguments put forward for chicken producers to switch to controlled atmosphere killing, essentially gassing, from the electrical stunning method, still widely used, those arguments—made by groups such as PETA and HSUS—are based on economic efficiency. Animal advocates are (in effect) arguing that if you gas the chickens it cuts down on carcass damage. This does not move animals out of the property paradigm. It further enmeshes them in it. It is only about efficient exploitation.”

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“I worry that we have raised a generation that has not been taught to think morally,” Francione said. “Yes, my generation often thought about morality superficially. I do not want to romanticize the past. But events such as the Vietnam War forced us to ask what were we doing as a nation. We feared getting drafted, of course, but the war helped us see. It forced us to think about moral issues. But morality today has been reduced to a matter of mere opinion. This is dangerously wrong. The morality of unjustified and unjustifiable exploitation is not a matter of opinion; it is a matter of moral fact.”

“There is an intimate relationship between human rights and animal rights,” said Francione, who teaches a course on human rights and animal rights with Charlton at Rutgers University. “You cannot think about this in isolation. Sexism, racism and classism are about turning others into objects. How can we talk intelligently about nonviolence when we are putting the products of violence into our mouths? We are wearing the products of violence. This is about justice. It is about justice for nonhumans, for women, for Palestinians, for African-Americans and for prisoners. Pornography represents the commodification of women. When you use pornography there is no longer a person there. There is a body part that you fetishize. The person has become a thing. You are consuming that thing. This is not all that different from going to the store and buying chicken in a Styrofoam package. The chicken is not (seen as) an animal. It is a product in Styrofoam covered with cellophane. All commodification is connected, and it’s all wrong.”


This is about Justice:
& much more:
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/all_forms_of_life_are_sacred_20150104
http://www.reducetarian.com/
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I'm not sure you can say that about asian carp... snooper2 Jan 2015 #1
Or crapping on a good post. Octafish Jan 2015 #28
traditions are sacred! snooper2 Jan 2015 #31
*all* forms of life? plants? bacteria? viruses? fungi? unblock Jan 2015 #2
The Earth is a Sentient Living Organism kpete Jan 2015 #3
+1 Zorra Jan 2015 #17
thank you for that beautiful image niyad Jan 2015 #30
from NASA kpete Jan 2015 #34
Sentient? Alive? I don't think so. aikoaiko Jan 2015 #25
No, the Earth is a drifting hunk of rock... SidDithers Jan 2015 #48
I see no evidence that the earth as a whole is sentient Shivering Jemmy Jan 2015 #51
Rats and cockroaches are not on my sacred list. hobbit709 Jan 2015 #4
Neither are spiders, stinging insects (except honeybees), poisonous snakes, huge snakes, Art_from_Ark Jan 2015 #61
I agree with everything, but one point. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #5
I am with you MoonRiver kpete Jan 2015 #9
This: chervilant Jan 2015 #6
Well said! MoonRiver Jan 2015 #7
Thanks so much! chervilant Jan 2015 #19
Me too! MoonRiver Jan 2015 #23
I agree as well, but with a sad and ironic twist GliderGuider Jan 2015 #43
Finding alternative forms of protein chervilant Jan 2015 #47
If it was just protein replacement I'd have been OK GliderGuider Jan 2015 #50
Have you read Ann Louise Gittleman? chervilant Jan 2015 #59
I agree with this, and for reasons of kindness, but in addition, if another argument is needed, ellenrr Jan 2015 #54
Its an interesting argument el_bryanto Jan 2015 #8
"All forms of life are sacred?" Archae Jan 2015 #10
I have no problem with your chicken sandwich kpete Jan 2015 #16
+1. We are part of nature, not above it. Adrahil Jan 2015 #67
And plants? jeff47 Jan 2015 #11
I think the article clearly referred to "sentient beings." MoonRiver Jan 2015 #12
And sentience is.....? jeff47 Jan 2015 #18
Typical meat eater rationalizations. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #24
Keep telling yourself that. That way you can ignore the questions. jeff47 Jan 2015 #38
Interesting tangent, chervilant Jan 2015 #29
And ripping apart creatures while they're alive isn't exactly "humane" jeff47 Jan 2015 #39
Most of the veggies I grow chervilant Jan 2015 #44
You chew your food. jeff47 Jan 2015 #46
OMG!! chervilant Jan 2015 #58
Yep. jeff47 Jan 2015 #64
Sentient being a word created and defined by human beings The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #22
Have you ever had a relationship with a cow, pig or chicken? MoonRiver Jan 2015 #26
Which is fine The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #32
Thank you for being reasonable. It's rare in these type of discussions. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #56
How about the eyes of a potato? n/t benz380 Jan 2015 #33
How is your inability to relate to a cabbage any different jeff47 Jan 2015 #41
I don't really know what my husband or children are experiencing. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #55
Then what was your point of bringing up cows, pigs and chickens? (nt) jeff47 Jan 2015 #65
Because I have interactions with them similar to what I have with my pets. MoonRiver Jan 2015 #68
lines and boundaries kpete Jan 2015 #37
It would be easy if there was moral fact The2ndWheel Jan 2015 #13
George Carlin on the sanctity of life. iandhr Jan 2015 #14
+1000 "save the crabs". lumberjack_jeff Jan 2015 #45
An inconvenient truth for many. Zorra Jan 2015 #15
Zorra kpete Jan 2015 #20
My dear kpete... Zorra Jan 2015 #21
I hope you know that there are DUers chervilant Jan 2015 #35
My dear chervilant, Zorra Jan 2015 #49
Chris Hedges is, of course, correct. Octafish Jan 2015 #27
Nature, and especially human nature, is messy. hunter Jan 2015 #36
I have killed animals--deer, game birds, fish-- Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #40
loved this kpete Jan 2015 #42
re informational perspective...I've killed for biological information HereSince1628 Jan 2015 #62
Well, except for mosquitoes. Fuck them. NuclearDem Jan 2015 #52
Not to mention any critter whose name ends in "tick." Jackpine Radical Jan 2015 #63
William Kunstler had become an advocate for the animals before he died. nt ellenrr Jan 2015 #53
Tell that to the ants I sprayed in my garage this morning. Throd Jan 2015 #57
There goes BioFuel, along with enslaving corn and wheat. One_Life_To_Give Jan 2015 #60
I'll take mine medium-rare, please! Adrahil Jan 2015 #66
River of Time seveneyes Jan 2015 #69
Unless they are a Democratic voter for over 30 years... NightOwwl Jan 2015 #70
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