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Spazito

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120. Now that the Canadian government has put in place penalties for rail shippers...

Reply to Sen. Walter Sobchak (Reply #119)

Wed Jan 7, 2015, 07:58 PM

Jan 2015

re the transport of wheat, hopefully the oil companies' bids won't be so influential. Yes, Keystone XL IS being astroturfed by Transcanada Pipelines and their supporters but it is becoming more and more obvious and much less effective.

It seems Enbridge and Transcanada are running into difficulty with their wish to expand the pipelines east and west of the tar sand projects. Good.

As rail transport becomes more expensive for the oil companies to use and the price of oil plummets, the less dirty oil will be brought to the surface and that's a good thing.

The Canadian government would serve it's citizens better if it focused less on the energy sector for Canada's economic well being and focused more on diversifying the economy, support manufacturing, research and development of alternative energy projects, etc.

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BREAKING: Pres.Obama to VETO KXL Pipeline. [View all] JaneyVee Jan 2015 OP

i read the coments on the CNN article... Takket Jan 2015 #1

The loud mouthed right wingers I'm exposed to on a regular basis... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #6

Keystone is a true special interest turd BeyondGeography Jan 2015 #26

just curious NewJeffCT Jan 2015 #33

Funny you should ask... Pacifist Patriot Jan 2015 #36

Just as Obama always said. The cognitive dissonance will make them go nuts. freshwest Jan 2015 #77

Fresh! Cha Jan 2015 #110

Tell them Obama's against it IkeRepublican Jan 2015 #101

Republicans want it for one reason only, because Environmentalists HATE it.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #37

No they want it because the billionaires who fund their campaigns want it. mucifer Jan 2015 #68

That's just a bonus. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2015 #69

Bravo Mr. President! bluesbassman Jan 2015 #2

Never doubted it for a second. But some here did. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #3

i was one of those. And I am fucking happy to Autumn Jan 2015 #10

I make a very tender cutlet of the breast, use the rest for pie. msanthrope Jan 2015 #12

You are the coolest. Number23 Jan 2015 #52

I thank you for the lovely compliment, and wish you and yours Peace and Justice. msanthrope Jan 2015 #58

Damn, I didn't even know that poster was still here. Number23 Jan 2015 #61

Well, had to earn my bonus, right? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #64

Some never learn not to underestimate President Obama....I have been saying that for years now.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #81

The legislation refrenced is a bill forcing the passage of the KXL. The decision on KXL Autumn Jan 2015 #84

exactly....thus the cards close to his vest.....do NOT try to figure him out... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2015 #87

Sure Autumn Jan 2015 #89

And continue to do so. But they just don't like President Obama so that colors BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #19

Well, some light their hair with tar sand oil.....it's got a high ignition point not msanthrope Jan 2015 #23

It never ceases to amaze me. BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #88

And the reason why some don't like Obama is because of his color. nt Cali_Democrat Jan 2015 #40

I didn't want to believe that before, but... BlueCaliDem Jan 2015 #90

Ain't that the truth--the tar was heated and the chickenfeathers plucked, with over-the-top MADem Jan 2015 #46

Aww...we still have the TPP threads!!! nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #55

Yeah, i have to laugh at those, too... MADem Jan 2015 #59

Did you ever read the Presidential Time Machine thread on the TPP? msanthrope Jan 2015 #62

Game-set-match~! MADem Jan 2015 #113

Plus 100B, same amount of dollars the Koch brothers' expected to get in one year of this boondoggle. freshwest Jan 2015 #79

I had doubts until I saw it was $8 billion. joshcryer Jan 2015 #78

Nor did I, msanthrope.. Can't wait until it's a Cha Jan 2015 #108

Wow. Now THAT is awesome! WinkyDink Jan 2015 #4

WooHoo!!! RiverLover Jan 2015 #5

XM pipeline will never be able to 'pretend' they're a clean, healthy, 'trustworthy' Industry. Sunlei Jan 2015 #7

yay!! k & R nt m-lekktor Jan 2015 #8

President Obama. Thank you. Autumn Jan 2015 #9

Excellent! QC Jan 2015 #11

good... yuiyoshida Jan 2015 #13

I'm happy to be wrong on this one. NV Whino Jan 2015 #14

Woof! dawg Jan 2015 #15

Very good. nm rhett o rick Jan 2015 #16

Bravo Mr. President! Puglover Jan 2015 #17

Kick. (nt) NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #18

Excellent!! Scurrilous Jan 2015 #20

k&r... spanone Jan 2015 #21

Great news! City Lights Jan 2015 #22

SO pleased! n/t Brainstormy Jan 2015 #24

Thank you... handmade34 Jan 2015 #25

The Koch Brothers own the majority of the tar sand leases in Canada. Zen Democrat Jan 2015 #27

Good. I hope he does the same on TPP. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2015 #28

Yay! AgingAmerican Jan 2015 #29

Good. Better than most expected, now what's he going to do to sell us down the river? Hoyt Jan 2015 #30

I'd say that most already knew he would do the right thing. tridim Jan 2015 #41

Aw, sorry this outrage cow dried up for ya...there's always TPP. great white snark Jan 2015 #74

And Paris. Or at least Plaster of Paris. freshwest Jan 2015 #82

Does this mean some DUers will start supporting the pipeline? IronLionZion Jan 2015 #112

Awesome! whatchamacallit Jan 2015 #31

Barack "The ROCK" flamingdem Jan 2015 #32

Lovely Hutzpa Jan 2015 #34

But! But! But! That can't be! Corporatist shill, wall street Whargarble!!!11!11!!11elevens!!!! stevenleser Jan 2015 #35

I don't know about you, but if I needed transportation in a hurry, MADem Jan 2015 #47

"I would gladly buy a used car from that man" MADem for the WIN!!! Number23 Jan 2015 #54

Don't hold back! Heads have been on fire for a long, long time! freshwest Jan 2015 #83

Now, that's the man I voted for twice. Jack Rabbit Jan 2015 #38

Yayyy! Duval Jan 2015 #39

Fantastic! bigwillq Jan 2015 #42

With oil at $48 a barrel Not Me Jan 2015 #43

Exactly! Quackers Jan 2015 #60

He could approve it, and it still wouldn't be built. ozone_man Jan 2015 #80

Is he gonna play hardball politics with the Republicans? kentuck Jan 2015 #44

The "hostage" is dead and floating belly-up. POTUS is going to veto the bill. nt Hekate Jan 2015 #93

Thank you, President Obama. stage left Jan 2015 #45

Yes this is wonderful news and I expected it. But this may not be the end of it. hue Jan 2015 #48

Thank you Mr. President! Z_California Jan 2015 #49

Hasn't happened yet. KG Jan 2015 #50

No shite Sherlock. Cha Jan 2015 #109

Now This, is the Obama i voted for ! penndragon69 Jan 2015 #51

LESS than turbinetree Jan 2015 #53

Two questions: 1) how long has it been known or suspected that he would do this? Number23 Jan 2015 #56

I posted a LOT on it in February 2013, if you're interested: freshwest Jan 2015 #85

For the record it was also reported back in November(ish) he was expected to veto it. herding cats Jan 2015 #94

Keystone was arranged in 2007 under Bush. They thought it was a sure thing. Then with under 2 months freshwest Jan 2015 #95

You're an excellent fount of information! herding cats Jan 2015 #99

Appreciate that reply very much. Makes it all seem worthwhile for me. Thanks! freshwest Jan 2015 #103

Thak you for staying on top of it, feshwest Hekate Jan 2015 #98

Hey, glad to see you posting a little bit more, too, Hekate! freshwest Jan 2015 #104

I love this for so many reasons... Spazito Jan 2015 #57

Hey Hillary DonCoquixote Jan 2015 #63

Obama signalled as much in his end of 2014 speech vlyons Jan 2015 #65

Booyah ..... mad props to S. S. Botany Jan 2015 #66

knr frylock Jan 2015 #67

Congress can't "force approval" of this Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #70

Why would you support Keystone XL? n/t Spazito Jan 2015 #73

Because oil shipments dominating rail infrastructure isn't in anyone's interest. Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #102

Why do refineries in the Gulf Coast region need dirty oil? Spazito Jan 2015 #114

Because the communist peasants of Venezuela aren't very good at managing oil production Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #119

Now that the Canadian government has put in place penalties for rail shippers... Spazito Jan 2015 #120

The Canadian government has no sway over the US railroads Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #121

The transport of tar sands oil starts in Alberta, Canada... Spazito Jan 2015 #122

Most of the US bound oil from the tar sands never touches a tanker car in Canada Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #123

"what Keystone XL alone would carry"... Spazito Jan 2015 #124

I support oil and gas production in the US and Canada 100% Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #125

Moving away from oil and gas to alternatives would make them even more irrelevant... Spazito Jan 2015 #126

That's a great long-term strategy, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2015 #127

We shall see n/t Spazito Jan 2015 #128

I read months ago he was not going to go along with this deal. Rex Jan 2015 #71

Woohoo! ybbor Jan 2015 #72

Very Good! Ramses Jan 2015 #75

NO SURPRISE! freshwest Jan 2015 #76

Like lovemydog Jan 2015 #86

No surprise to those of us paying attention to the nuances of his statements. As to why he didn't... Hekate Jan 2015 #91

Kudos! grahamhgreen Jan 2015 #92

Let's Cool Our Jets a Bit 1step Jan 2015 #96

Good. nikto Jan 2015 #97

Good for you Mr. President! BrotherIvan Jan 2015 #100

White House: Obama Won’t Sign Keystone XL Pipeline Bill Cha Jan 2015 #105

It's very good news, Cha. ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2015 #106

I was so excited I forgot my link, CTD.. Cha Jan 2015 #107

Yes Yes YES! defacto7 Jan 2015 #111

Awesome news. I wonder how much oil prices had to do with this decision? raouldukelives Jan 2015 #115

I hope he does, We'll see Ferd Berfel Jan 2015 #116

President Obama "would veto" what legislation? Orsino Jan 2015 #117

Great news. Thank you Mr. President and thanks to those on the left that have kept rhett o rick Jan 2015 #118