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Octafish

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71. Believing the CIA, too.

Wed Feb 4, 2015, 07:17 PM

Feb 2015

And the NSA making it easy to see how Gulf of Tonkin was exactly as good as Curveball.

NSA bosses feared releasing Gulf of Tonkin intel would draw ''uncomfortable comparisons'' with Iraq

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LBJ: "If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he ..." [View all] kpete Feb 2015 OP

Sadly true tuhaybey Feb 2015 #1

I agree totally, tuhaybey. brer cat Feb 2015 #3

Keeping lower groups divided has always been the goal of those in power since their unity appalachiablue Feb 2015 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #65

Clinging to their whiteness, some nativism, guns & religion. Quite correct on the awareness that appalachiablue Feb 2015 #77

k & r lovemydog Feb 2015 #2

Like all people LBJ made some errors in life TexasProgresive Feb 2015 #4

I hear you Bugenhagen Feb 2015 #58

You should like that he DID try to end the war, but Nixon's treasonous actions stopped it... cascadiance Feb 2015 #111

Because of Vietnam & racism I didn't appreciate LBJ enough when young, especially his strength appalachiablue Feb 2015 #70

He is an interesting person. alarimer Feb 2015 #108

His father hated the KKK. hifiguy Feb 2015 #119

KKK and John Birch Society were big in Texas. HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #130

Looking back at LBJ, he had just way too many hawks surrounding him. Way too many people LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #129

True treestar Feb 2015 #5

being superior to somebody is not a race dependent attribute nt msongs Feb 2015 #14

Unfortunately true. Divisions exist all over the world sorry to say, by class, race, education appalachiablue Feb 2015 #72

k and r niyad Feb 2015 #6

Perfect! MoonRiver Feb 2015 #7

The GOP base in a nutshell. nt SunSeeker Feb 2015 #8

Racism is only one of the base's convenient carrying handles. Orsino Feb 2015 #9

I thought of this when Mo Brooks said 'Illegal Aliens' Could Be To Blame For Measles Outbreak Auggie Feb 2015 #10

Pulling that quote out of context, and not including the entire paragraph.... George II Feb 2015 #11

How does the context change the ... Whiskeytide Feb 2015 #16

By using JUST the quote it gives the impression that LBJ was presenting HIS tactic in handling... George II Feb 2015 #31

Ahhhh. I see what you're saying... Whiskeytide Feb 2015 #38

I think everyone... sendero Feb 2015 #105

I doubt many people reading that would think it was LBJ's tactic whopis01 Feb 2015 #106

Thanks for the context and entire quote, but I don't think people here . . . brush Feb 2015 #18

LBJ started out after college teaching what Poppy Bush called "Little Brown Ones." MADem Feb 2015 #21

Yeah, it was too bad about his fate with Vietnam brush Feb 2015 #34

I was one of those who breathed down Caro's neck to "write the NEXT one!!!" MADem Feb 2015 #39

Hey, great to hear brush Feb 2015 #53

I didn't think 'Selma' made Lyndon look bad; Tom Wilkinson did a decent job I thought. appalachiablue Feb 2015 #81

I agree. What really make LBJ look bad is "Evidence of Revision" kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #92

I haven't heard of this, will check it out. Thank you. In spite of his flaws we sure could use appalachiablue Feb 2015 #94

I didn't know that about his deciding not to run in '68. Grateful lovemydog Feb 2015 #82

There's no question in my mind that Bobby would have won the nomination brush Feb 2015 #90

Maybe Bobby's running mate could have been Eugene McCarthy? Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #100

Quite possibly brush Feb 2015 #109

To think of what could have been, with RFK/Eugene McCarthy Art_from_Ark Feb 2015 #121

This pic shows him in full "hippy hair" flower.... MADem Feb 2015 #85

Wow! That's the photo I remember brush Feb 2015 #87

Google is mah friend!!! MADem Feb 2015 #89

Holy cow! I remember that photo.. and the hair. mountain grammy Feb 2015 #91

It's never just people here. obxhead Feb 2015 #59

Believing the CIA, too. Octafish Feb 2015 #71

Yeah, the way that Gulf of Tonkin incident unfolded . . . brush Feb 2015 #84

SO DAMN TRUE, elleng Feb 2015 #12

Corporations and Propaganda -- The Attack on Democracy Octafish Feb 2015 #13

Which is why the Democratic Party should focus on class not race FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #15

How? Once they do, they might have to do something. Octafish Feb 2015 #17

And PoC will remain in the same relative position. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #30

As it stands now, Wall Street gets first dibs on Democrat's attention. Octafish Feb 2015 #66

Did you read Barofsky's book? I haven't ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #67

I think you have other views on Geithner and what he meant by that phrase, please appalachiablue Feb 2015 #80

" they are divided by race from fighting back" < Their choice. They prefer their hate to freedom. n/ jtuck004 Feb 2015 #19

You think that divide isn't designed on purpose? FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #20

Oh, bullshit. Poor little things, no minds of their own? They choose to hate - blaming it on someone jtuck004 Feb 2015 #22

Nice broad brush crap there. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #25

Is ok. I'm not really interested in listening to the usual litany of excuses in lieu of jtuck004 Feb 2015 #33

Agree! Duppers Feb 2015 #76

And sadly ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #104

One more thing. Harriet Tubman once said "I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand jtuck004 Feb 2015 #28

So wouldn't the pre-prescription be ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #32

The prescription would be understand the real divide is between the rich and poor FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #35

Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #42

But it's not... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #62

Stunning reality that you have to state that, still. White people simply have too much Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #124

I have a theory on why so many white liberals don't "get it" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #128

I don't quite agree brush Feb 2015 #110

Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #26

It's about filling the pockets of the poor. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #29

That's what you want it to be about ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #36

Do you have a reading comprehension issue? FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #41

No, I read quite well ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #44

So your approach is to play right into Nixon & Reagan's strategy to divide the poor by race? FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #46

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #47

You are the one dividing FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #49

No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #54

specifics Rilgin Feb 2015 #75

I do not know where to start with your post, nor if I even want to ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #95

Again no specifics Rilgin Feb 2015 #113

This ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #114

why dont you name some and your solutions Rilgin Feb 2015 #115

Because you don't seek education, you seek argument ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #116

I guess asking for explanations is argument Rilgin Feb 2015 #117

Okay. Perhaps, I have been unfair ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #120

Thanks Rilgin Feb 2015 #122

Patience. White privilege is splattered all over this conversation. Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #125

I don't think the inability to understand is experience based ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #126

Just noticed that LOL...how did I see this if it was that old...oh well Jackie Wilson Said Mar 2016 #127

THIS. THIS. THIS. brush Feb 2015 #37

Solidarity will be difficult to find where ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #45

You're a realist and probably right . . . brush Feb 2015 #52

Realist? Maybe ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #55

This is what informs my stance ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #57

That cartoon is a killer . . . brush Feb 2015 #86

you're lost heaven05 Feb 2015 #107

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #60

nope don't agree, sorry steve2470 Feb 2015 #61

Disagree. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #63

look, we will never agree steve2470 Feb 2015 #64

Interesting observation ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #96

lately things like race, gay rights, women's rights have been described as third way here JI7 Feb 2015 #99

I've noticed that too ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #103

I think the democratic party should focus on both issues. lovemydog Feb 2015 #98

I think it can be done, and it's not totally one way or the other FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #112

What a humdinger of a post, kpete! calimary Feb 2015 #23

K&R....There must be something to this. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #24

Doesn't take much convincing. malthaussen Feb 2015 #27

This was the underlying goal of the Southern Strategy and why there is such a thing as a Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #40

Trying to get in before the ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #50

Thanks, 1SBN. Maybe folk need to see Selma too. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2015 #79

pure racism won reagan the white house. and VOODOO DOO DOO ekonomiks. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #43

THis starts in childhood when we tell kids they have no value. A self confident McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #48

Few more decades and highmindedhavi Feb 2015 #51

Dead-on graphic. nt valerief Feb 2015 #56

Truth Will Out. Thespian2 Feb 2015 #68

Mississippi Burning quote: Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2015 #73

I've had those on my DeskTop for awhile. :) Duppers Feb 2015 #74

On the other hand... bayareaboy Feb 2015 #78

My mother... malokvale77 Feb 2015 #83

Only a Pawn in Their Game - Bob Dylan hibbing Feb 2015 #88

I've said it once and I will keep on saying it until I die JAbuchan08 Feb 2015 #93

Those are all excellent points. lovemydog Feb 2015 #97

it's the middle class also . there are many racists who view Govt JI7 Feb 2015 #101

One more step JustAnotherGen Feb 2015 #123

I'll also add upper middle class whites--they were the "I got mine, fuck you" voting bloc MisterP Mar 2016 #131

Great graphic. "I vote republican to keep foreigners, minorities, women, socialists, gays and pampango Feb 2015 #102

Two great graphics hifiguy Feb 2015 #118