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In reply to the discussion: Is Glenn Greenwald a liar? [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)15. He repeatedly lied in his efforts to make Anwar Al-Awlaki a poor innocent
moderate who was radicalized by the evil US government and about whom there was zero evidence ever that he broke a single law.
Does that sound like the New Osama bin Laden to you? One could call him the opposite of bin Laden. And yet, a mere nine years later, there was Awlaki, in an Al Jazeera interview, pronouncing his opinion that Umar Farouk Abdulmutallabs attempt to blow up a civilian jet over Detroit was justified (while saying it would have been better if the plane was a military one or if it was a US military target), and urging revenge for all Muslims across the globe against the U.S. What changed over the last decade that caused such a profound transformation in Awlaki? Does that question even need to be asked?
Never mind that Al Awlaki was recruiting guys for armed jihad overseas in the 1990s.
http://www.denverpost.com/commented/ci_14861059?source=commented-news
A former Denver Islamic Society community leader who asked not to be identified out of concern for his safety said that once, after al-Awlaki gave a series of sermons on jihad struggles around the world, al-Awlaki persuaded a Saudi Arabian student that he ought to join Muslim fighters in Bosnia.
The student approached the leader, who told him al-Awlaki's idea was nonsense. "I said: 'No! You need to have permission from your parents before you go to jihad. They sent you here for education.' " The leader said he confronted al-Awlaki in the mosque, warning him that "if you come close to anybody in my group, I'll throw you in the trash."
The Saudi student traveled anyway from Colorado to Bosnia, the leader said, and in 1999, he was killed in Chechnya.
The student approached the leader, who told him al-Awlaki's idea was nonsense. "I said: 'No! You need to have permission from your parents before you go to jihad. They sent you here for education.' " The leader said he confronted al-Awlaki in the mosque, warning him that "if you come close to anybody in my group, I'll throw you in the trash."
The Saudi student traveled anyway from Colorado to Bosnia, the leader said, and in 1999, he was killed in Chechnya.
He also claims Obama murdered Al Awlaki ONLY because al Awlaki was saying stuff that offended Obama, and that the killing of Al Awlaki had NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with his involvement in multiple operations to kill Americans.
What prompted my opposition from the start to the attempted killing of Awlaki was that it was very clear he was being targeted because of his anti-American sermons that were resonating among English-speaking Muslim youth (sermons which, whatever you think of them, are protected by the First Amendment), and not because he was a Terrorist operative. In other words, the US government was trying to murder one of its own citizens as punishment for his political and religious views that were critical of the government's policies, and not because of any actual crimes or warfare.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/11/nyt-obama-awlaki
"very clear" that he was not targeted for his terrorist activities?
Okay.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/02/28/uk.terror.verdict/index.html
A key part of the prosecution case was a series of heavily encrypted messages between al-Awlaki and Karim, in which al-Awlaki pressed for information about Karim's job and his knowledge of airport security.
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
"I pray that Allah may grant us a breakthrough through you ... can you please specify your role in the airline industry, how much access do you have to airports, what information do you have on the limitations and cracks in present airport security systems?"
Karim replied: "The kuffar (a derogatory term for non-Muslims) are planning to install full body scanners across UK airports. This allows them to see things under clothes."
But he warned al-Awlaki to be realistic: "You are probably hoping that I work at the airport, but the fact is I don't. I personally know two brothers, one who works in baggage handling at Heathrow and another who works in airport security. Both are good practising brothers and sympathize towards the cause of the mujahedeen."
Replying, al-Awlaki got straight to the point:
"Our highest priority is the U.S. Anything there, even on a smaller scale compared to what we may do in the UK, would be our choice. So the question is: with the people you have is it possible to get a package or person with a package on board a flight heading to the U.S.?"
Greenwald is a fucking liar. Al awlaki was giving hate sermons for years without being targeted for even arrest by the US, but when the multiple accounts of his involvement in a series of attacks and attempted attacks began to surface, the game changed.
Greenwald is a fucking liar, and one who would much rather give the benefit of the doubt to a traitorous rightwing fundamentalist terrorist than he would to President Obama.
that is who Glenn Greenwald is.
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Like grandma always said, don't look a gift bump in the mouth. Or something about like that. nt
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#2
He really make you look very bad, so I don't blame you. He has always been excellent at tearing
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#72
That's for sure. They made it a mission to go to his blog, and he let them, intending to be tough
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#80
Glenn Greenwald lying on behalf of white supremacist Tom Tancredo (Colorado gubernatorial candidate)
kfreed
Jul 2015
#98
"In Which Glenn Greenwald Smears Me by Citing a Faked Graphic at a Far Right Hate Site"
kfreed
Jul 2015
#100
No surprise to see a hit piece from that Kos blogger. Are you familiar with the history of that
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#75
I thought the question was of truthfulness not truthiness which is a made up term to
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#63
I hadn't read that Greenwald article before. Thanks for brining it to my attention.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#29
You need to completely read Greenwald's and Priest's articles. This is all addressed.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#40
Where did Priest write that the Obama administration tried to kill Awlaki in 2009?
geek tragedy
Feb 2015
#43
He lied several times regarding his partner being held. I already posted links
KittyWampus
Feb 2015
#21
Fair enough. Now using that standard who are the honest journalists and media outlets?
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#62
Let me simplify part 2. Do you assert there are politicians and business people that meet your
TheKentuckian
Feb 2015
#76
I have no idea. To be honest I didn't really follow the whole Snowden/Greenwald saga.
hrmjustin
Feb 2015
#26
come to think of it, Tork (Torque?) would be a great name for the inventor of the corkscrew. nt
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#45
I appreciate the answer. I disagree with your conclusion, but there's no denying he's an advocate.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#33
Um. No proof has been posted. That's kind of what this thread is about.
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#88
I considered out conversation concluded when you told me the onus is on Greenwald...
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2015
#84
We get it, the supporters of the national security state don't like Greenwald.
BillZBubb
Jul 2015
#101