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Bobbie Jo

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66. You are correct

Fri Feb 6, 2015, 12:24 AM

Feb 2015

honest journalists and media outlets are indeed a rarity. Ratings, selling print, and generating clicks has become the entirety of today's journalistic standards. The line between fact and opinion has been blurred beyond recognition. Truth has become a cafeteria choice...some of this, some of that.

I don't intend to wade in the minutiae of comparing and contrasting individual journalists, but to hold Greenwald up as a bastion of truth-telling and journalistic excellence is beyond ridiculous. On the other hand, if you want to compare him to the current crop of media darlings, I suppose he fits the mold.

The OP specifically focused on the issue of Greenwald's credibility, or lack thereof. His tactics have been discussed and exposed repeatedly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6186116

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6186208

As far as your second pararagraph is concerned.....what??

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Is Glenn Greenwald a liar? [View all] DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 OP

I'll pass. I'm afraid that if I said what I thought, MineralMan Feb 2015 #1

Like grandma always said, don't look a gift bump in the mouth. Or something about like that. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #2

Is that what your grandma said? MineralMan Feb 2015 #3

Our grandmothers should've run for office. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #4

My grandmother would have said, "To Hell with that noise." MineralMan Feb 2015 #5

Ha! Well done! Number23 Feb 2015 #47

He really make you look very bad, so I don't blame you. He has always been excellent at tearing sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #72

You are so right, Sabrina Oilwellian Feb 2015 #79

That's for sure. They made it a mission to go to his blog, and he let them, intending to be tough sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #80

Glenn Greenwald defending Bush from us liberal peaceniks... kfreed Jul 2015 #104

Glenn Greenwald - King of the Gish Gallop kfreed Jul 2015 #95

Koch Whore Glenn Greenwald (Propagandist, not a "Journalist") kfreed Jul 2015 #97

Glenn Greenwald lying on behalf of white supremacist Tom Tancredo (Colorado gubernatorial candidate) kfreed Jul 2015 #98

"In Which Glenn Greenwald Smears Me by Citing a Faked Graphic at a Far Right Hate Site" kfreed Jul 2015 #100

Greenwald: Liar: promoting another white supremacist kfreed Jul 2015 #103

To determine the truthiness of one's journalism, Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #6

That would be choice #2. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #7

You mean the Public Service award that is awarded to organizations, Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #8

I thank you for participating. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #9

I was getting around to it. Ykcutnek Feb 2015 #12

Thanks for the links. I'll address each. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #14

Great response! n/t davekriss Feb 2015 #24

Thank you, DisgustipatedinCA. Octafish Feb 2015 #27

Hmmm...it got awfully quiet out.... truebluegreen Feb 2015 #34

Ykcutnek went on an unexpected vacation. Puglover Feb 2015 #37

Outstanding! truebluegreen Feb 2015 #41

It takes more than a suspension to keep a true maverick down. QC Feb 2015 #59

! Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #60

Oh Bobbi Puglover Feb 2015 #64

Meh, it fits. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #65

Honestly I don't have a thing against you. Puglover Feb 2015 #78

As is probably another of their darlings. Puglover Feb 2015 #61

Generating fascist anti-Americanism around the globe kfreed Jul 2015 #96

No surprise to see a hit piece from that Kos blogger. Are you familiar with the history of that sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75

I thought the question was of truthfulness not truthiness which is a made up term to TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #63

+1 treestar Feb 2015 #74

He's an advocate. moondust Feb 2015 #10

Fair point. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #11

I'd probably call it "advocacy journalism." moondust Feb 2015 #13

why does advocate on behalf of scumbag terrorists like anwar al awlaki. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #17

I'll reply to you once I'm in front of a real keyboard. Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #20

He repeatedly lied in his efforts to make Anwar Al-Awlaki a poor innocent geek tragedy Feb 2015 #15

Yep. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #16

Greenwald is s a lying liar who lies. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #19

Where did Greenwald lie? Octafish Feb 2015 #25

I hadn't read that Greenwald article before. Thanks for brining it to my attention. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #29

That is an example of Greenwald lying. geek tragedy Feb 2015 #39

You need to completely read Greenwald's and Priest's articles. This is all addressed. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #40

Where did Priest write that the Obama administration tried to kill Awlaki in 2009? geek tragedy Feb 2015 #43

here you go: DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #46

That's a very weak defense of Greenwald's mendacity geek tragedy Feb 2015 #48

Doesn't really matter to me if he has lied a couple of times... NCTraveler Feb 2015 #18

He lied several times regarding his partner being held. I already posted links KittyWampus Feb 2015 #21

Greenwald is a liar by omission. Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #22

Fair enough. Now using that standard who are the honest journalists and media outlets? TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #62

You are correct Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #66

Let me simplify part 2. Do you assert there are politicians and business people that meet your TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #76

Is "ethically-challenged, self-aggrandizing prick" the same as "liar"? 11 Bravo Feb 2015 #23

No, not in this context or any other that I know of. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #31

I have no idea. To be honest I didn't really follow the whole Snowden/Greenwald saga. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #26

Who's Glenn Greenwald? nt. jschurchin Feb 2015 #28

Founding member of The Monkees, invented the corkscrew. Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #30

Thought that was Davey Nesmith or Mickey Tork? :P n/t Chan790 Feb 2015 #44

come to think of it, Tork (Torque?) would be a great name for the inventor of the corkscrew. nt DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #45

He's very careful to not quite lie. jeff47 Feb 2015 #32

I appreciate the answer. I disagree with your conclusion, but there's no denying he's an advocate. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #33

Greenwald lying by ommission (how propaganda works) kfreed Jul 2015 #102

running 97% to 3% thus far DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #35

"Greenwaaaaaaaaaald!!!" whatchamacallit Feb 2015 #36

LOL! Puglover Feb 2015 #38

Greenwald is an opinion writer and not a journalist. Chan790 Feb 2015 #42

It's kind of difficult to catch Greenwald in an outright lie Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #49

Your post seems very similar to post #32 DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #50

That's the problem with "advocacy journalism" Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #68

Haven't seen you kick this in awhile... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #93

Sure. Post those links. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #94

Not difficult, just time-consuming to correct all of them kfreed Jul 2015 #99

A few more before leaving Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #51

r.e. the "out and out" lie DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #53

The onus is on Greenwald to *prove* it Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #55

Mahalo for all this compilation of GG's *********, Blue Tires! Cha Feb 2015 #91

I really don't know. NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #52

Fair enough. Thank you for the reply. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #54

probably, 99.99% of humanity are liars to a degree. Shoulders of Giants Feb 2015 #56

We are all liars. And anyone who says otherwise.... Smarmie Doofus Feb 2015 #57

precisely! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #67

Why does an advocate get the right of omission and not telling Thinkingabout Feb 2015 #58

A few more... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #69

Good job. ucrdem Feb 2015 #71

Thank you SO MUCH for these links. betsuni Feb 2015 #89

Bookmarking this OP just for your links. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #90

yeppers. ucrdem Feb 2015 #70

In all seriousness -- 55 DUers say GG has never been caught in dishonesty? Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #73

Funny that Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #77

Is Greenwald a liar? Not necessarily. PragmaticLiberal Feb 2015 #81

Monday kick Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #82

Don't hold your breath. Andy823 Feb 2015 #86

Um. No proof has been posted. That's kind of what this thread is about. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #88

It's always surprising when you see how few shriekers there actually are. Marr Feb 2015 #83

I considered out conversation concluded when you told me the onus is on Greenwald... DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #84

I think you have me confused with someone else. Marr Feb 2015 #85

I'm sorry, Marr. I meant to reply to Blue_Tires. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #87

Oh no need-- I thought it must be a mispost or something. /nt Marr Feb 2015 #92

We get it, the supporters of the national security state don't like Greenwald. BillZBubb Jul 2015 #101