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zappaman

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27. Exactly!

Reply to Cleita (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 7, 2015, 08:54 PM

Feb 2015

I ride it as often as I can.
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Bruce Jenner: I was fleeing paparazzi before the crash. [View all] pnwmom Feb 2015 OP

It's no excuse. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #1

Without knowing the circumstances how do you know? pnwmom Feb 2015 #2

Lots of things and other drivers can cause distractions FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #5

Easy for you to say. You must be a perfect driver, never distracted by anything. pnwmom Feb 2015 #6

This isn't about me, and that's a silly argument/tactic. FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #19

agreed FL CatWoman Feb 2015 #26

that's the thing that makes me most angry about this JI7 Feb 2015 #30

The only reason paparazzi are chasing him now is because of he's about to out himself as transgender pnwmom Feb 2015 #62

Not really, it's because he's a *famous* person who is transgender. cui bono Feb 2015 #70

And he's famous because he was an Olympic Medalist decades ago. pnwmom Feb 2015 #72

No. He's famous now because he was on a reality show with the Kardashians. cui bono Feb 2015 #74

They wouldn't be chasing him now if it weren't for the transgender story. pnwmom Feb 2015 #81

two words CatWoman Feb 2015 #84

this family has welcomes paparazzi for some years now , that's how they make a lot of money JI7 Feb 2015 #75

+10 840high Feb 2015 #78

Just like gun owners???? They are model citizens until they aren't. madinmaryland Feb 2015 #67

Everybody gets distracted at some point... RichGirl Feb 2015 #111

As others have said, he chose this life. Kaleva Feb 2015 #37

Actually, no. He didn't choose to be born a woman in a man's body. pnwmom Feb 2015 #65

He choose to be a reality tv and check out magazine celebrity. Kaleva Feb 2015 #77

EVERYBODY has things in their lives that they have no control over. RichGirl Feb 2015 #112

wanting to be famous when it suits you is no excuse. He wasn't in roguevalley Feb 2015 #3

How do you know he drove recklessly? I was hit from behind by someone pnwmom Feb 2015 #7

You don't think it's reckless to drive distracted by a cell phone? n/t Exhibit A Feb 2015 #8

I think that IS an example of driving recklessly. But I haven't heard evidence pnwmom Feb 2015 #10

Nonsense. Exhibit A Feb 2015 #14

Tell that to the widow of Milton Olin ga_girl Feb 2015 #23

I am invested in the idea of not judging people before the facts are in. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #33

we knwo there was an accident and someone died and jenner was in the car that hit the woman who died JI7 Feb 2015 #38

IF what Jenner said is true -- and I acknowledge we don't know you -- then I think pnwmom Feb 2015 #41

BS , there are bigger stars who get far more paparazzi after them and don't cause accidents like JI7 Feb 2015 #43

So what? It still shouldn't be legal, even if it is rare. It's too dangerous pnwmom Feb 2015 #48

what's dangerous is how Jenner was driving, that family makes a living with their relationship with JI7 Feb 2015 #49

What do you know about how he was driving? pnwmom Feb 2015 #96

Not sure I agree given his recent news elias7 Feb 2015 #54

When you hit somone in front of you, you are driving recklessly Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #31

He claims he was trying to avoid paparazzi kcr Feb 2015 #40

Dollars to doughnuts cwydro Feb 2015 #55

check out the pics before he hits the car, at least one looks like he is looking down at something JI7 Feb 2015 #59

I saw that too. cwydro Feb 2015 #60

You're right -- it only takes a second. Which is why it's wrong for paparazzi to shoot photos pnwmom Feb 2015 #61

Hey, I totally agree on the pap part of this story. cwydro Feb 2015 #64

It doesn't automatically excuse him -- but it makes them share some of the responsibility, in my opinion. pnwmom Feb 2015 #68

I'll agree with you there. cwydro Feb 2015 #69

I don't know what the circumstances are, so I don't know if he deserves any penalty. pnwmom Feb 2015 #71

Yeah, I'm just going on the premise cwydro Feb 2015 #73

Being distracted by a cell phone (while driving) and causing an accident is reckless. LisaL Feb 2015 #9

Yeah, and Jenner wasn't accused of doing that, so I don't think we should be saying he was reckless pnwmom Feb 2015 #12

The police are getting a warrant Lonusca Feb 2015 #115

you weren't by your own words stating that you were fleeing being chased nor are there pictures roguevalley Feb 2015 #28

I was kind of on his side until cwydro Feb 2015 #36

What kind of "fleeing" was needed, that results in driving that kills people? braddy Feb 2015 #4

We don't know. If you had multiple drivers crowding you from behind and to the side, pnwmom Feb 2015 #16

I've done a lot of driving, and if people aren't shooting at you, or deliberately trying to kill braddy Feb 2015 #24

I've got to agree. Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #32

Can't you at least pretend to care about the woman who died???? Yo_Mama Feb 2015 #34

I feel sorry for everyone concerned. That's beside the point. pnwmom Feb 2015 #35

I do too. I don't understand why everyone else seems determined to give the papparazi a pass. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #45

I don't either. Nor do I understand pnwmom Feb 2015 #47

Drive slowly and pay attention. cwydro Feb 2015 #39

Isnt Diana dead because of this kind of deal? NoJusticeNoPeace Feb 2015 #11

Yes, and she being driven by a professional driver. And I remember there was more than one pnwmom Feb 2015 #13

Diana's "professional" driver was liquored up having been drinking Cleita Feb 2015 #17

And if Diana's professional driver had just driven the speed limit... FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #18

And if he were sober, he might have made a sensible decision to do just that Cleita Feb 2015 #21

A whole lot of assumptions there elias7 Feb 2015 #53

I read that he passed the field sobriety tests. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #80

I followed the story at the time, and it seemed to be irrefutable that he was intoxicated. Chemisse Feb 2015 #86

so they said. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #46

Diana's Driver was drunk JI7 Feb 2015 #20

That is open to debate elias7 Feb 2015 #50

PCH is a dangerous road. There are hardly any intersections because of Cleita Feb 2015 #15

Yup and still is dangerous. zappaman Feb 2015 #22

Especially since there is a paved bike path over the beach away from the Cleita Feb 2015 #25

Exactly! zappaman Feb 2015 #27

Me too! cwydro Feb 2015 #42

US1 in the keys is deadly FLPanhandle Feb 2015 #44

I also used to ride on 535 I think it is cwydro Feb 2015 #109

that is where I got my first drivers license! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #104

Is that the one that caught fire? cwydro Feb 2015 #110

No but that is where I lived....Big Pine Key! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2015 #116

Seen some bad wrecks there cwydro Feb 2015 #117

didnt Ben Vereen get hit by someone famous on pch? Liberal_in_LA Feb 2015 #63

Vehicular homicide. I don't care if there's a goddamned parade float behind you.. X_Digger Feb 2015 #29

^^^this^^^ TheCowsCameHome Feb 2015 #51

Everyone knows a rear-end collision is the fault of the person who rear-ends the other. cwydro Feb 2015 #56

Yes it is. 840high Feb 2015 #79

The whole thing about fleeing paps is just TMZ sensational garbage. Nailzberg Feb 2015 #52

There are photos of the incident. So obviously paps were there right next to the car. LisaL Feb 2015 #58

That's what the restaurant owner said. The paps were there immediately. That's hard to explain pnwmom Feb 2015 #66

it's not hard to explain, many "celebs" tip off the paps because they want to be talked about JI7 Feb 2015 #76

Its easy to explain. Paps follow people to were they're going. Doesn't make it a chase. Nailzberg Feb 2015 #89

He was deliberately being followed. Whether he was chased or not, the paps were pnwmom Feb 2015 #90

Your statements are becoming increasingly absurd as this thread goes on. X_Digger Feb 2015 #92

Yes, you have that right. In some circumstances, one citizen shouldn't be allowed to follow pnwmom Feb 2015 #93

so pass a fucking law to stop it, but in the case of Jenner/Kardashian family they WELCOME the JI7 Feb 2015 #94

Actually, there is such a law in California. So I guess we'll see whether it applies. pnwmom Feb 2015 #95

Yes, but he is followed everywhere he goes. Its nothing new to him. Likely wasn't his distraction. Nailzberg Feb 2015 #97

I doubt that this 65 year old was followed very much till the transgender stories appeared. pnwmom Feb 2015 #99

then you haven't been paying attention , the entire fucking family WANTED to be followed and got JI7 Feb 2015 #101

No matter. It's against the law in California for photographers to follow people who are driving. pnwmom Feb 2015 #102

Those moment of impact photos? Taken from across the street and from the opposite direction? Nailzberg Feb 2015 #88

More than one pap vehicle could have been involved, as is often the case. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #103

And he's always photographed getting gas in the area, R B Garr Feb 2015 #105

I'm reminded of the Claymation segment in "Moonwalker..." Archae Feb 2015 #57

Latest from NYTimes cwydro Feb 2015 #82

Well, there goes his reality show and career, and I hope he gets the book thrown at him dissentient Feb 2015 #83

Why? For what could have been a moment of distraction? pnwmom Feb 2015 #91

So you dont agree he should be able to hire good lawyers??? Nt Logical Feb 2015 #108

I don't see how that is a valid excuse. Chemisse Feb 2015 #85

Maybe it isn't. But I don't see how it's a valid practice for paparazzi to shoot photos pnwmom Feb 2015 #87

I agree. It must be horrific trying to live like that. Chemisse Feb 2015 #107

"a crime in California ... to follow a car more closely than is reasonable and prudent" aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2015 #98

I've noticed that. It may be especially unnerving when you're an out-of-stater who's not used to it. pnwmom Feb 2015 #100

i figured it was something like this. or i KNEW they were involved. pansypoo53219 Feb 2015 #106

so????? One still has to obey the law and keep a safe distance so as to avoid rear-end collisions DrDan Feb 2015 #113

Even if that's true... NaturalHigh Feb 2015 #114