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In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: NYT Whites Out Ukraine’s Brown Shirts [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)79. You've got to be kidding.
Last edited Thu Feb 12, 2015, 05:56 AM - Edit history (1)
It's been proven on this board over and over.
Seeing No Neo-Nazi Militias in Ukraine
September 8, 2014
An Aug. 10 article in the New York Times mentioned the neo-Nazi paramilitary role at the end of a long story on another topic. If you plowed through the story to the last three paragraphs, you would discover the remarkable fact that Nazi storm troopers were attacking a European population for the first time since World War II and that these neo-Nazi militias were largely out of control.
The fighting for Donetsk has taken on a lethal pattern: The regular army bombards separatist positions from afar, followed by chaotic, violent assaults by some of the half-dozen or so paramilitary groups surrounding Donetsk who are willing to plunge into urban combat, the Times reported.
Officials in Kiev say the militias and the army coordinate their actions, but the militias, which count about 7,000 fighters, are angry and, at times, uncontrollable. One known as Azov, which took over the village of Marinka, flies a neo-Nazi symbol resembling a Swastika as its flag. [See Consortiumnews.coms NYT Discovers Ukraines Neo-Nazis at War.]
The conservative London Telegraph offered more details about the Azov battalion in an article by correspondent Tom Parfitt, who wrote: Kievs use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk peoples republics should send a shiver down Europes spine.
The fighting for Donetsk has taken on a lethal pattern: The regular army bombards separatist positions from afar, followed by chaotic, violent assaults by some of the half-dozen or so paramilitary groups surrounding Donetsk who are willing to plunge into urban combat, the Times reported.
Officials in Kiev say the militias and the army coordinate their actions, but the militias, which count about 7,000 fighters, are angry and, at times, uncontrollable. One known as Azov, which took over the village of Marinka, flies a neo-Nazi symbol resembling a Swastika as its flag. [See Consortiumnews.coms NYT Discovers Ukraines Neo-Nazis at War.]
The conservative London Telegraph offered more details about the Azov battalion in an article by correspondent Tom Parfitt, who wrote: Kievs use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk peoples republics should send a shiver down Europes spine.
And much more: https://consortiumnews.com/2014/09/08/seeing-no-neo-nazi-militias-in-ukraine/
The bias is so strong that the mainstream media has largely ignored the remarkable story of the Kiev regime willfully dispatching Nazi storm troopers to kill ethnic Russians in the east, something that hasnt happened in Europe since World War II.
For Western news organizations that are quick to note the slightest uptick in neo-Nazism in Europe, there has been a willful blindness to Kievs premeditated use of what amount to Nazi death squads undertaking house-to-house killings in eastern Ukraine. [See Consortiumnews.coms Seeing No Neo-Nazi Militias in Ukraine.]
The Russian government has repeatedly protested these death-squad operations and other crimes committed by the Kiev regime, but the U.S. mainstream media is so in the tank for the western Ukrainians that it has suppressed this aspect of the crisis, typically burying references to the neo-Nazi militias at the end of stories or dismissing these accounts as Russian propaganda.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/06/nuclear-war-and-clashing-ukraine-narratives/

The Azov battalion uses the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf''s Hook) symbol on its banner (Tom Parfitt)
Phantom said he was such a Russian but that he was opposed to Moscow supporting terrorists in his homeland: I volunteered and all I demanded was a gun and the possibility to defend my country.
Asked about his Nazi sympathies, he said: After the First World World War, Germany was a total mess and Hitler rebuilt it: he built houses and roads, put in telephone lines, and created jobs. I respect that. Homosexuality is a mental illness and the scale of the Holocaust is a big question, he added.
Asked about his Nazi sympathies, he said: After the First World World War, Germany was a total mess and Hitler rebuilt it: he built houses and roads, put in telephone lines, and created jobs. I respect that. Homosexuality is a mental illness and the scale of the Holocaust is a big question, he added.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11025137/Ukraine-crisis-the-neo-Nazi-brigade-fighting-pro-Russian-separatists.html
Timothy Garton Ash and Professor Timothy Snyder, the former a writer for the Guardian, known for his political activism in Poland during the Soviet period, and the latter a professor of history at Yale University, not only fail miserably in portraying events in Ukraine accurately but in fact commit the grave errors (if not crimes considering the many human lives already lost) mentioned above. Both seek to demonize East Ukrainians who are ethnically Russian, while turning a blind eye to the re-emergence of fascism in Kiev and to war crimes committed by the Kiev government against its own civilians. One would expect such behavior from paid propagandists or from closet racists, not from liberal academics and writers.
Following the downing of the Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 in East Ukraine, before an investigation has been even begun, and although it is equally likely that the Ukrainian Government could have possibly carried out the act, Timothy Garton Ash already had all the answers. In his article for the New York Times titled "Protecting Russians in Ukraine Has Fatal Consequences", Ash traced the roots of the current crisis in Ukraine to a speech made by Vladimir Putin while serving as a deputy mayor of St. Petersburg in 1994. Ash explains that Putin argued then that the collapse of the USSR left 25 million Russians outside the Russian Federation without protection and that therefore this speech was an indication that Putin will intervene in neighboring countries to protect Russians there, when faced in danger. From this it follows, according to Ash, that it is Putins alleged actions to aid rebels in East Ukraine that are responsible for the toppling of the jet.
Following the downing of the Malaysia Airlines plane MH17 in East Ukraine, before an investigation has been even begun, and although it is equally likely that the Ukrainian Government could have possibly carried out the act, Timothy Garton Ash already had all the answers. In his article for the New York Times titled "Protecting Russians in Ukraine Has Fatal Consequences", Ash traced the roots of the current crisis in Ukraine to a speech made by Vladimir Putin while serving as a deputy mayor of St. Petersburg in 1994. Ash explains that Putin argued then that the collapse of the USSR left 25 million Russians outside the Russian Federation without protection and that therefore this speech was an indication that Putin will intervene in neighboring countries to protect Russians there, when faced in danger. From this it follows, according to Ash, that it is Putins alleged actions to aid rebels in East Ukraine that are responsible for the toppling of the jet.
If we are considering rhetoric alone, would it not be appropriate for Ash to mention in this article, not speeches made 25 years ago but that ethnic Russians in East Ukraine today have come under a barrage of racist attacks by the Ukrainian government, with the former prime minister calling them "subhumans" and another leading politician calling for them to be nuked? It is only reasonable to assume that the threats that were directed at ethnic Russians by the Ukrainian government should be considered or at least mentioned, and that people have an inalienable right for protection even if they happen to be ethnically Russian. To make matters worse, Ash mentions nowhere in his article that the Ukrainian government has engaged in a brutal bombing campaign of residential areas in East Ukraine in what it terms an "anti-terror operation" in which over 1,000 civilians have been killed in cold blood. Do these facts not need to be mentioned when seeking to understand the context in which the downing of a plane took place? After all, these are actions are taking place in the present, not in 1994.
http://original.antiwar.com/joshua_tartakovsky/2014/08/15/mass-killing-in-east-ukraine-and-the-failure-of-liberal-intellectuals/
"Subhumans"! - when have we heard that before. I lost family members fighting the last freak that considered millions of human beings subhumans, one tortured and murdered in one of his camps at the very start of the war, just a kid, really. That you defend fascists and people like this makes me absolutely SICK. And 'nuked'? What the fuck kind of animal calls for that? Ukrainian CITIZENS who don't recognize an illegally coup-sponsored gov't and don't wish to live under austerity? People who defend this, why? I believe I know, and it's beyond ugly. You might want to reconsider all your insults against people just trying to get at the real truth, because you're failing miserably at anything resembling reality.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024613019
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6202547
(And btw .... why was it necessary to install a new Finance Minister, a former U.S. diplomat who took Ukrainian citizenship in December 2014 "who had been in charge of a U.S.-taxpayer-financed $150 million Ukrainian investment fund which involved substantial insider dealings?"

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/02/06/nuclear-war-and-clashing-ukraine-narratives/
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More likely, Parry is biased and thus everyone else appears biased who disagrees with him. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#1
I once held an Alka-Seltzer tablet in my mouth to try and get out of class.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#111
Have you noticed the lack of content in the comments of the personal attackers?
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#121
Really, so reporting on facts from one of the best journalists, who has been proven to be correct
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#114
You're still engaging in the immature practice of using the persons DU name in the subject I see
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#6
You can mount a horse, brandish a lance and charge at windmills, but your not fighting dragons
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#12
What I think about you is not at issue. The fact is that posting on DU is not 'fighting fascism'
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#36
LOL. With pronouncements like that, I wonder at what point phrases like "Delusions of grandeur"
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#42
What are you fighting, or not fighting? It would be instructive for us on DU when one DUer
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#112
Well we all know your thoughts on another DUer. What did Parry get wrong regarding the NYT?
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#123
I'll ask you the same question I asked Steven Lesser. When you choose to personally attack another
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#119
Your opinion of journalism is meaningless since you don't know the first thing about it. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#39
You ARE only speaking for yourself I hope. Octafish is one of DU's most treasured members, always
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#60
I know what you mean! OMG is right ... I wonder how many DUers would be here
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#157
Yes! Bizarro Land! It's like taking a ride in the way back machine, and unbelievably Red Baiting is
2banon
Feb 2015
#167
Please enlighten us about right wing elements in militaries and militias in Russia and elsewhere nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#9
Somewhat irrelevant since it's not the Russian right wing elements we're $upporting.
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#20
It's completely relevant. Some folks here, like you, only care that right wing elements tend to
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#37
And they are an excellent example of what I am talking about. Go to the US, to Russia, to Iran, etc.
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#46
Nope, it's exactly right and more flagrant in this situation because Russia, who they are advocating
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#57
Well said, MFrohike. And just a reminder, we do have 'allies' who have committed genocide
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#182
Blackwater is paid for their war crimes with our tax dollars. THAT is what makes something
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#173
'why the focus on Ukr.' Good question, why were US Senators and State Dept neocons so focused on Ukr
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#124
You could prove me wrong. Link to your complaints about right wing militias in Greece or Iran
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#50
Link to your complaints about child slavery in the chocolate industry. But you
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#51
That comparison would be relevant if I was complaining about that. You are complaining about
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#52
Neo Nazi right wing elements are part of the Kiev Government. The US should NOT be
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#62
Parry is correct, as he was when the NYT was working for the neocons to start the Iraq War.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#10
Do the reports Parry cites from the Telegraph and NBC news also originate in Moscow?
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#21
As is almost always the case, his case is unimpeachable in terms of the facts, but BHO apologists
stupidicus
Feb 2015
#24
Some American soldiers display the Confederate Flag on their uniforms, equipment, etc....
George II
Feb 2015
#26
If we're making a fair comparison, what are the militia folks like in the US? Are they progressives?
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#45
This might shock you, but I'm not in favor of Western or Russian intervention
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#92
Other posters have done more than enough to show how Parry is useless when it comes to Ukraine.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#131
The NYT was a propaganda arm for the neocons in their quest for War in Iraq. Parry gets it right
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#125
I urge liberal use of the Ignore function for posters who lack the basic capacity
Maedhros
Feb 2015
#136
Yes, they would never have survived on DU in the past. The reason they don't like Parry is
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#183
David Talbot of Salon talked about a famous reporter at New York Times who was an 'Ex-NAZI.'
Octafish
Feb 2015
#141
I keep wondering why the NYT ever got its reputation as a credible news organization.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#159