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Thu Feb 12, 2015, 08:57 AM

Feb 2015

Obama means nothing to the moves being made.
but a convenient way to conflate racism or whatever dark motivations can be tied
to people offended by imperial aggression and political double dealing.

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Robert Parry: NYT Whites Out Ukraine’s Brown Shirts [View all] Karmadillo Feb 2015 OP

More likely, Parry is biased and thus everyone else appears biased who disagrees with him. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #1

Does he have rabies? He's practically foaming at the mouth. randome Feb 2015 #2

Yep. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #7

Foaming? RobertEarl Feb 2015 #40

your back where have you been! snooper2 Feb 2015 #174

I once held an Alka-Seltzer tablet in my mouth to try and get out of class. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #111

It's ironic Aerows Feb 2015 #113

Have you noticed the lack of content in the comments of the personal attackers? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #121

It's ridiculous Aerows Feb 2015 #139

I think it is more a case of lack of hearts snooper2 Feb 2015 #175

Really, so reporting on facts from one of the best journalists, who has been proven to be correct sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #114

More likely, you don't know what a journalist does, stevenleser. Octafish Feb 2015 #5

You're still engaging in the immature practice of using the persons DU name in the subject I see stevenleser Feb 2015 #6

Thanks for the reply. I won't count on stevenleser to fight fascism. Octafish Feb 2015 #11

You can mount a horse, brandish a lance and charge at windmills, but your not fighting dragons stevenleser Feb 2015 #12

Like I care what you think about me. You say you're a pundit... Octafish Feb 2015 #13

What I think about you is not at issue. The fact is that posting on DU is not 'fighting fascism' stevenleser Feb 2015 #36

You owe Octafish an apology, Steven Lesser of DU zappaman Feb 2015 #38

Octafish does fight fascism RobertEarl Feb 2015 #41

LOL. With pronouncements like that, I wonder at what point phrases like "Delusions of grandeur" stevenleser Feb 2015 #42

"Delusions of grandeur" ... polly7 Feb 2015 #77

What are you fighting, or not fighting? It would be instructive for us on DU when one DUer sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #112

Well said Aerows Feb 2015 #116

Well we all know your thoughts on another DUer. What did Parry get wrong regarding the NYT? sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #123

I'll ask you the same question I asked Steven Lesser. When you choose to personally attack another sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #119

I've seen little Aerows Feb 2015 #126

Did you protest the invasion of Iraq? polly7 Feb 2015 #78

Hey be nice, you know he has been to a conference or two snooper2 Feb 2015 #176

I beg to differ on the "Posting on DU is not 'fighting fascism'" comment btrflykng9 Feb 2015 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author bahrbearian Feb 2015 #18

That's the future of journalism, all right. Octafish Feb 2015 #27

Your opinion of journalism is meaningless since you don't know the first thing about it. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #39

You ARE only speaking for yourself I hope. Octafish is one of DU's most treasured members, always sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #60

o.m.g. 2banon Feb 2015 #64

I know what you mean! OMG is right ... I wonder how many DUers would be here sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #157

I have to admit, I think I have a crush on Octafish..:) 2banon Feb 2015 #158

I think a lot of people would agree with you, 2banon! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #160

Indeed. BTW, I'm really feeling quite jealous of all your hearts! :D 2banon Feb 2015 #161

I got them from Putin!! Lol! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #163

"I got them from Putin!! " Ramses Feb 2015 #166

Yes! Bizarro Land! It's like taking a ride in the way back machine, and unbelievably Red Baiting is 2banon Feb 2015 #167

Ok, that was funny!!! polly7 Feb 2015 #170

'From Russia With Love'! Lol! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #180

You got flowers from Hussein?!? polly7 Feb 2015 #185

Ahhh, Was That You??? 2banon Feb 2015 #164

You have other admirers also. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #165

Thanks! 2banon Feb 2015 #168

Wow ............. wtf? polly7 Feb 2015 #70

Way beyond decent conversation Aerows Feb 2015 #98

Me either. Octafish brings so much good information to this board, polly7 Feb 2015 #99

That's the conclusion I came to. Aerows Feb 2015 #101

You're right, Aerows. polly7 Feb 2015 #103

Glad you are back, Polly Aerows Feb 2015 #104

Thanks, Aerows. I just decided I'm not going to let anyone try to define polly7 Feb 2015 #106

Nor should you Aerows Feb 2015 #108

You rock, Aerows! polly7 Feb 2015 #109

I can! sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #177

You're kidding right? He's been following me all over DU being nasty stevenleser Feb 2015 #178

If by "being nasty" Aerows Feb 2015 #179

Your conduct in this thread Aerows Feb 2015 #88

your alert failed L0oniX Feb 2015 #93

Surely someone has stolen your login and is posting under your name. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #94

This is what being on Fox can do to someone. L0oniX Feb 2015 #95

No kidding, L0oniX. n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #105

I'm baffled by his behavior Aerows Feb 2015 #107

absolutely clueless. 2banon Feb 2015 #68

I can't fathom it, 2banon. Aerows Feb 2015 #110

and to learn that he actually alerted on O.F.! LOL! 2banon Feb 2015 #162

or what they used to do, anyway. reddread Feb 2015 #81

Please enlighten us about the Azov Battalion. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2015 #8

Please enlighten us about right wing elements in militaries and militias in Russia and elsewhere nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #9

Somewhat irrelevant since it's not the Russian right wing elements we're $upporting. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #20

It's completely relevant. Some folks here, like you, only care that right wing elements tend to stevenleser Feb 2015 #37

Blackwater may be in Ukraine JonLP24 Feb 2015 #44

And they are an excellent example of what I am talking about. Go to the US, to Russia, to Iran, etc. stevenleser Feb 2015 #46

If you say so JonLP24 Feb 2015 #48

That's just dumb MFrohike Feb 2015 #55

Nope, it's exactly right and more flagrant in this situation because Russia, who they are advocating stevenleser Feb 2015 #57

Is that a fact? MFrohike Feb 2015 #58

Yep, further explained in my #56 below. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #59

Dumbest shit I ever read MFrohike Feb 2015 #61

indeed. well said. 2banon Feb 2015 #66

+100 ND-Dem Feb 2015 #69

+1000. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #72

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Feb 2015 #96

Yep, summed it up nicely. n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #147

Well said, MFrohike. And just a reminder, we do have 'allies' who have committed genocide sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #182

Blackwater is paid for their war crimes with our tax dollars. THAT is what makes something sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #173

'why the focus on Ukr.' Good question, why were US Senators and State Dept neocons so focused on Ukr sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #124

So much hot air. You must be able to float to work. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #49

You could prove me wrong. Link to your complaints about right wing militias in Greece or Iran stevenleser Feb 2015 #50

Link to your complaints about child slavery in the chocolate industry. But you Karmadillo Feb 2015 #51

That comparison would be relevant if I was complaining about that. You are complaining about stevenleser Feb 2015 #52

Conveniently ignore fascism elsewhere? Wrong, as usual. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #54

Nope, I'm right as usual, you just further proved my point upthread. stevenleser Feb 2015 #56

Poor you. I'll see your Orwell and raise you Jung. Karmadillo Feb 2015 #80

I'm pretty certain Aerows Feb 2015 #86

Why are you defending the murdering fascists in Ukraine? nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #76

Have you ever posted a thread on those issues? THIS thread is about sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #181

It's obvious you're not one of those in eastern Unkraine losing family members polly7 Feb 2015 #71

With you right there Aerows Feb 2015 #140

Neo Nazi right wing elements are part of the Kiev Government. The US should NOT be sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #62

You've got to be kidding. polly7 Feb 2015 #79

Oh, dodging the question Aerows Feb 2015 #133

Parry is correct, as he was when the NYT was working for the neocons to start the Iraq War. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10

nt? G_j Feb 2015 #129

The New York Times has ignored NAZI presence in CIA, Pentagon, etc. Octafish Feb 2015 #3

KnR for Truth in analysis. 2banon Feb 2015 #4

Who exactly is governing Ukraine? JonLP24 Feb 2015 #14

I see no evidence that the NYT deliberately omitted anything. MineralMan Feb 2015 #15

Do the reports Parry cites from the Telegraph and NBC news also originate in Moscow? Karmadillo Feb 2015 #21

Its been backed up and verified elsewhere several times over JonLP24 Feb 2015 #22

I do, but then I've been following the story. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #43

You realize, of course, that your post RE: origin of Parry's information Maedhros Feb 2015 #127

That is a slam dunk Aerows Feb 2015 #146

MM, I respect you Aerows Feb 2015 #137

Which is why the Brian Williams lie is such a joke malaise Feb 2015 #16

Parry. LOL...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #17

Muffins. Yummy...nt. I want more. Fred Sanders Feb 2015 #23

Thanks for your contribution as always...nt elias49 Feb 2015 #31

It's not Parry that matters. It's his reporting. And that is factual. Octafish Feb 2015 #19

As is almost always the case, his case is unimpeachable in terms of the facts, but BHO apologists stupidicus Feb 2015 #24

I don't think they are BHO apologists. grasswire Feb 2015 #65

OMG. Thought I was the only one. They gave me a very unsettled feeling. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #73

I did believe they were were Obama cult for a long time. grasswire Feb 2015 #97

It's pretty obvious Aerows Feb 2015 #142

the question must be, then, to what end? grasswire Feb 2015 #145

Knee jerk reaction, maybe Aerows Feb 2015 #148

As do I. nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #75

+1 reddread Feb 2015 #82

As usual, grasswire Aerows Feb 2015 #85

yea G_j Feb 2015 #132

Incredibly consistent, too Aerows Feb 2015 #138

They could'nt care less about Obama Ramses Feb 2015 #153

let's see.. grasswire Feb 2015 #154

there may be some merit to that stupidicus Feb 2015 #172

I guess I shouldnt believe my lying eyes Ramses Feb 2015 #25

Some American soldiers display the Confederate Flag on their uniforms, equipment, etc.... George II Feb 2015 #26

Maybe it means they wish they were... elias49 Feb 2015 #29

No but one side is clearly mostly far right nationalistic (East) JonLP24 Feb 2015 #30

I only saw one. And it was in a barracks room, not a uniform. Fuddnik Feb 2015 #34

If we're making a fair comparison, what are the militia folks like in the US? Are they progressives? stevenleser Feb 2015 #45

Precisely - this is a frightening list below: George II Feb 2015 #47

Thank you. Robert Parry most certainly matters! n/t Judi Lynn Feb 2015 #28

No surprise the NYT is pushing the latest neocon propaganda Oilwellian Feb 2015 #32

and we're going to. BHO is asking for a vote on war powers. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #74

kick. Thanks for posting and a great thread. Some are finally starting to pay Purveyor Feb 2015 #33

K&R Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #35

After his disastrous "reporting" on MH-17 NuclearDem Feb 2015 #53

swing and a miss nt grasswire Feb 2015 #67

no joy in swastikaville. reddread Feb 2015 #83

Aw, that's cute! NuclearDem Feb 2015 #87

no, odd leap there reddread Feb 2015 #89

Yep, people who despise fascist Kremlin stooges NuclearDem Feb 2015 #90

can you find the neo-NAZI element? reddread Feb 2015 #91

This might shock you, but I'm not in favor of Western or Russian intervention NuclearDem Feb 2015 #92

Here's an idea: rebut the OP. Maedhros Feb 2015 #128

Other posters have done more than enough to show how Parry is useless when it comes to Ukraine. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #131

And another post filled with soft, spongy pablum. Maedhros Feb 2015 #134

I love the smell of napalm Aerows Feb 2015 #143

It doesn't really matter, though, in the long run. Maedhros Feb 2015 #151

I don't know Aerows Feb 2015 #152

yep grasswire Feb 2015 #155

I've noticed that as well. Maedhros Feb 2015 #156

Maybe it's just tradition over there jakeXT Feb 2015 #63

Well well well, what have we here? Oilwellian Feb 2015 #84

So...Parry again uses pure Moscow propaganda Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #100

I disagree. n/t Aerows Feb 2015 #102

Yeah ....... me too. polly7 Feb 2015 #118

When propoganda meets propoganda... NCTraveler Feb 2015 #115

It strikes me as Aerows Feb 2015 #117

I really think Hong Kong is also worth a mention or five. nt. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #120

Meanwhile here's an inconvenient truth certain DUers keep ignoring: Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #122

The NYT was a propaganda arm for the neocons in their quest for War in Iraq. Parry gets it right sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #125

That's because indignation is all they've got. Maedhros Feb 2015 #130

I think we are Aerows Feb 2015 #135

I urge liberal use of the Ignore function for posters who lack the basic capacity Maedhros Feb 2015 #136

Yes, they would never have survived on DU in the past. The reason they don't like Parry is sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #183

Yes, .......... again. polly7 Feb 2015 #186

David Talbot of Salon talked about a famous reporter at New York Times who was an 'Ex-NAZI.' Octafish Feb 2015 #141

thank you nt grasswire Feb 2015 #144

Octafish, you are a gem Aerows Feb 2015 #149

I keep wondering why the NYT ever got its reputation as a credible news organization. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #159

Great thread Aerows Feb 2015 #150

Yessireee .......... kick for Robert Parry! nt. polly7 Feb 2015 #171

Ukraine's brown shirts don't mean much Yorktown Feb 2015 #169