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In reply to the discussion: Robert Parry: NYT Whites Out Ukraine’s Brown Shirts [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)141. David Talbot of Salon talked about a famous reporter at New York Times who was an 'Ex-NAZI.'
Patrice Lumumba, president of the Congo. David Talbot explained:
During his nearly decade long run as America's intelligence chief from January 1953 to November 1961, Allen Dulles turned the CIA into the most lethal and most secretive agency in Washington. He recruited bright, young, ambitious men from Ivy League backgrounds and he turned them loose on the world. They were "Mad Men" with a "License to Kill."
President Eisenhower gave Dulles and his killing machine a long leash, because he thought that by allowing the CIA to engage in covert proxy wars in the Third World, he was avoiding a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union. But, this cold war calculation inflicted severe collateral damage upon the developing world.
Leaders and political movements that could have lifted their nations out of poverty and suffering were cut down in their prime. Leaders like Patrice Lumumba, the young, charismatic nationalist in the former Belgian Congo.
Lumumba's efforts to lift his people out of the near-slavery imposed on them by their Belgian colonial masters elicited the wrath of U.S. and European mining conglomerates. And, yes, these mining giants were, indeed, represented by the Dulles law firm. Lumumba was inevitably portrayed by the CIA and the agency's assets in the media in the United States and Europe as a reckless communist and he was targeted for elimination.
[font color="red"]By the way, i'm speaking here of media assets like the New York Times correspondent in the Congo who covered the sad end of Patrice Lumumba, a man named Paul Hoffmann, who's a familiar byline to many of us who read New York Times foreign coverage for many years. Paul Hoffman was an ex-NAZI who had served U.S. intelligence since (the end of) World War II. This is the man the New York Times sent to cover Patrice Lumumba in his final days.[/font color]
The CIA also sent its Doctor of Death, Sydney Gottlieb, to the Congo with a tube of toxic toothpaste. When this poison plot didn't work, the agency brought in contract killers from Europe.
Finally, in one of the CIA's first cases of what would become known as extraordinary rendition, Lumumba was captured with the CIA's help and handed over to his mortal political enemies, a gang of killers that included CIA mercenaries.
But, the CIA continues to this day to deny any responsibility -- any direct responsibility for Patrice Lumumba's death. The agency is directly implicated in his savage torture and murder. Lumumba's assassination would lead to decades of dictatorship and social collapse and further misery in the Congo.
It's important to know the timing of Lumumba's murder: January 17, 1961 -- just three days before the inauguration of President Kennedy.
OP from 2013: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024105197#post113
Most Americans never heard NYT Judy Miller was emailing with Dr. David Kelly on the day he "suicided."
During his nearly decade long run as America's intelligence chief from January 1953 to November 1961, Allen Dulles turned the CIA into the most lethal and most secretive agency in Washington. He recruited bright, young, ambitious men from Ivy League backgrounds and he turned them loose on the world. They were "Mad Men" with a "License to Kill."
President Eisenhower gave Dulles and his killing machine a long leash, because he thought that by allowing the CIA to engage in covert proxy wars in the Third World, he was avoiding a nuclear confrontation with the Soviet Union. But, this cold war calculation inflicted severe collateral damage upon the developing world.
Leaders and political movements that could have lifted their nations out of poverty and suffering were cut down in their prime. Leaders like Patrice Lumumba, the young, charismatic nationalist in the former Belgian Congo.
Lumumba's efforts to lift his people out of the near-slavery imposed on them by their Belgian colonial masters elicited the wrath of U.S. and European mining conglomerates. And, yes, these mining giants were, indeed, represented by the Dulles law firm. Lumumba was inevitably portrayed by the CIA and the agency's assets in the media in the United States and Europe as a reckless communist and he was targeted for elimination.
[font color="red"]By the way, i'm speaking here of media assets like the New York Times correspondent in the Congo who covered the sad end of Patrice Lumumba, a man named Paul Hoffmann, who's a familiar byline to many of us who read New York Times foreign coverage for many years. Paul Hoffman was an ex-NAZI who had served U.S. intelligence since (the end of) World War II. This is the man the New York Times sent to cover Patrice Lumumba in his final days.[/font color]
The CIA also sent its Doctor of Death, Sydney Gottlieb, to the Congo with a tube of toxic toothpaste. When this poison plot didn't work, the agency brought in contract killers from Europe.
Finally, in one of the CIA's first cases of what would become known as extraordinary rendition, Lumumba was captured with the CIA's help and handed over to his mortal political enemies, a gang of killers that included CIA mercenaries.
But, the CIA continues to this day to deny any responsibility -- any direct responsibility for Patrice Lumumba's death. The agency is directly implicated in his savage torture and murder. Lumumba's assassination would lead to decades of dictatorship and social collapse and further misery in the Congo.
It's important to know the timing of Lumumba's murder: January 17, 1961 -- just three days before the inauguration of President Kennedy.
OP from 2013: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024105197#post113
Most Americans never heard NYT Judy Miller was emailing with Dr. David Kelly on the day he "suicided."
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More likely, Parry is biased and thus everyone else appears biased who disagrees with him. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#1
I once held an Alka-Seltzer tablet in my mouth to try and get out of class.
Nuclear Unicorn
Feb 2015
#111
Have you noticed the lack of content in the comments of the personal attackers?
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#121
Really, so reporting on facts from one of the best journalists, who has been proven to be correct
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#114
You're still engaging in the immature practice of using the persons DU name in the subject I see
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#6
You can mount a horse, brandish a lance and charge at windmills, but your not fighting dragons
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#12
What I think about you is not at issue. The fact is that posting on DU is not 'fighting fascism'
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#36
LOL. With pronouncements like that, I wonder at what point phrases like "Delusions of grandeur"
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#42
What are you fighting, or not fighting? It would be instructive for us on DU when one DUer
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#112
Well we all know your thoughts on another DUer. What did Parry get wrong regarding the NYT?
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#123
I'll ask you the same question I asked Steven Lesser. When you choose to personally attack another
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#119
Your opinion of journalism is meaningless since you don't know the first thing about it. nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#39
You ARE only speaking for yourself I hope. Octafish is one of DU's most treasured members, always
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#60
I know what you mean! OMG is right ... I wonder how many DUers would be here
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#157
Yes! Bizarro Land! It's like taking a ride in the way back machine, and unbelievably Red Baiting is
2banon
Feb 2015
#167
Please enlighten us about right wing elements in militaries and militias in Russia and elsewhere nt
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#9
Somewhat irrelevant since it's not the Russian right wing elements we're $upporting.
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#20
It's completely relevant. Some folks here, like you, only care that right wing elements tend to
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#37
And they are an excellent example of what I am talking about. Go to the US, to Russia, to Iran, etc.
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#46
Nope, it's exactly right and more flagrant in this situation because Russia, who they are advocating
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#57
Well said, MFrohike. And just a reminder, we do have 'allies' who have committed genocide
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#182
Blackwater is paid for their war crimes with our tax dollars. THAT is what makes something
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#173
'why the focus on Ukr.' Good question, why were US Senators and State Dept neocons so focused on Ukr
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#124
You could prove me wrong. Link to your complaints about right wing militias in Greece or Iran
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#50
Link to your complaints about child slavery in the chocolate industry. But you
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#51
That comparison would be relevant if I was complaining about that. You are complaining about
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#52
Neo Nazi right wing elements are part of the Kiev Government. The US should NOT be
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#62
Parry is correct, as he was when the NYT was working for the neocons to start the Iraq War.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#10
Do the reports Parry cites from the Telegraph and NBC news also originate in Moscow?
Karmadillo
Feb 2015
#21
As is almost always the case, his case is unimpeachable in terms of the facts, but BHO apologists
stupidicus
Feb 2015
#24
Some American soldiers display the Confederate Flag on their uniforms, equipment, etc....
George II
Feb 2015
#26
If we're making a fair comparison, what are the militia folks like in the US? Are they progressives?
stevenleser
Feb 2015
#45
This might shock you, but I'm not in favor of Western or Russian intervention
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#92
Other posters have done more than enough to show how Parry is useless when it comes to Ukraine.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#131
The NYT was a propaganda arm for the neocons in their quest for War in Iraq. Parry gets it right
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#125
I urge liberal use of the Ignore function for posters who lack the basic capacity
Maedhros
Feb 2015
#136
Yes, they would never have survived on DU in the past. The reason they don't like Parry is
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#183
David Talbot of Salon talked about a famous reporter at New York Times who was an 'Ex-NAZI.'
Octafish
Feb 2015
#141
I keep wondering why the NYT ever got its reputation as a credible news organization.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#159