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In reply to the discussion: President Kennedy wanted to keep USA out of Vietnam [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)71. John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam'' documented the sordid history.
The Pentagon and CIA gave LBJ, as veep, a more accurate picture of what was happening in Vietnam than they provided JFK, as president.
Why? JFK said he would not get into a land war in Southeast Asia and he certainly was not going to place US draftees in the middle of Vietnam's civil war; Johnson did.
Vietnam Withdrawal Plans
The 1990s saw the gaps in the declassified record on Vietnam filled inwith spring 1963 plans for the complete withdrawal of U.S. forces. An initial 1000 man pullout (of the approximately 17,000 stationed in Vietnam at that time) was initiated in October 1963, though it was diluted and rendered meaningless in the aftermath of Kennedy's death. The longer-range plans called for complete withdrawal of U. S. forces and a "Vietnamization" of the war, scheduled to happen largely after the 1964 elections.
The debate over whether withdrawal plans were underway in 1963 is now settled. What remains contentious is the "what if" scenario. What would Kennedy have done if he lived, given the worsening situation in Vietnam after the coup which resulted in the assassination of Vietnamese President Diem?
At the core of the debate is this question: Did President Kennedy really believe the rosy picture of the war effort being conveyed by his military advisors. Or was he onto the game, and instead couching his withdrawal plans in the language of optimism being fed to the White House?
The landmark book JFK and Vietnam asserted the latter, that Kennedy knew he was being deceived and played a deception game of his own, using the military's own rosy analysis as a justification for withdrawal. Newman's analysis, with its dark implications regarding JFK's murder, has been attacked from both mainstream sources and even those on the left. No less than Noam Chomsky devoted an entire book to disputing the thesis.
But declassifications since Newman's 1992 book have only served to buttress the thesis that the Vietnam withdrawal, kept under wraps to avoid a pre-election attack from the right, was Kennedy's plan regardless of the war's success. New releases have also brought into focus the chilling visions of the militarists of that erafour Presidents were advised to use nuclear weapons in Indochina. A recent book by David Kaiser, American Tragedy, shows a military hell bent on war in Asia.
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http://www.history-matters.com/vietnam1963.htm
As in the physical sciences, when a new theory supersedes an old one, the last to see and understand are the advocates of the old.
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No he didn't or he wouldn't have escalated the war like he did during his presidency.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2015
#3
Many of those who disagree with you (and me) begin their posts with the words "I believe." That
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#68
I think his decision making in 1963 warrants at least a debate on the matter.
Drunken Irishman
Feb 2015
#27
Remarks of Senator John F. Kennedy on Indochina before the Senate, Washington, D.C., April 6, 1954
Octafish
Feb 2015
#44
The George Bush Center for Intelligence is the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency
blkmusclmachine
Feb 2015
#13
Just before his assassination, President Kennedy ordered secret peace talks with Castro
Octafish
Feb 2015
#49
So when you can't find anything to support your POV, resort to condescension, YoungDemCA.
Octafish
Feb 2015
#67
All due respect, but the verdict of professional historians who have examined the
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#23
Since your extract mentions Kaiser's "American Tragedy" in its final paragraph, it is
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#76
We are now come full circle. If JFK was being fed info that led hiim to believe the
KingCharlemagne
Feb 2015
#85
So Oliver Stone was right. That's what he said after his movie JFK came out. nt
Damansarajaya
Feb 2015
#26
Better yet, look up the video of Jack Ruby saying "If Adlai Stevenson had been VP..." N/t
roamer65
Feb 2015
#59
November 22, 1963 was a coup d'état masked by an assassination...plain and simple.
roamer65
Feb 2015
#60
JFK knew what he was getting into in Dallas. He had survived an attempt in Chicago...
Octafish
Feb 2015
#89
I have always suspected JFK was killed for his opposition to that war.
Special Prosciuto
Feb 2015
#64
Kennedy had too much potential to help the common people. There is even a rumor that he was
dissentient
Feb 2015
#65
Flying Saucer bullshit began in 1947, with the hallucinating "pilot" Kenneth Arnold
Special Prosciuto
Feb 2015
#66
John Aschcroft stopped flying commercial airliners in July 2001 based on a 'threat assessment.'
Octafish
Feb 2015
#87
I was actually looking up black market nuclear history as well as overall nuclear history
JonLP24
Feb 2015
#90