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JonLP24

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90. I was actually looking up black market nuclear history as well as overall nuclear history
Tue Feb 17, 2015, 02:43 AM
Feb 2015

as I clicked on your post. The corruption is obvious, the ulterior motives, etc. That difficult part is trying to figure it all out. Nuclear is especially tricky since a lot of nukes were developed but never used. Israel appears to be the most shadiest of them all.

Vanunu was put on trial in Israel on charges of treason and espionage. The trial, held in secret, took place in the Jerusalem District Court before Chief Justice Eliyahu Noam and Judges Zvi Tal and Shalom Brenner. Vanunu was represented by Avigdor Feldman, a prominent Israeli civil and human rights lawyer. He was not permitted contact with the media but he wrote the details of his abduction (or "hijacking", as he put it) on the palm of his hand, and while being transported he held his hand against the van's window so that waiting journalists could get the information.

On 28 March 1988, Vanunu was convicted of treason and espionage and sentenced to eighteen years of imprisonment from the date of his abduction in Rome. The Israeli government refused to release the transcript of the court case until, after the threat of legal action, it agreed to let censored extracts be published in Yedioth Ahronoth, an Israeli newspaper, in late 1999.

The death penalty in Israel is restricted to special circumstances, and only two executions have ever taken place there. In 2004, former Mossad director Shabtai Shavit told Reuters that the option of extrajudicial execution was considered in 1986, but rejected because "Jews don't do that to other Jews."[43]

Vanunu served his eighteen-year sentence at Shikma Prison in Ashkelon.[29] He spent more than eleven years of his sentence in solitary confinement, allegedly out of concern that he might reveal more Israeli nuclear secrets and because he was still bound by the contract that swore him to secrecy on the subject. While in prison, Vanunu took part in small acts of non-submission, such as refusing psychiatric treatment, refusing to talk with the guards, reading only English-language newspapers, and watching only BBC television. "He is the most stubborn, principled, and tough person I have ever met," said his lawyer, Avigdor Feldman.

In 1998, Vanunu appealed to the Supreme Court for his Israeli citizenship to be revoked. The Interior Minister denied Vanunu's request on grounds that he did not have another citizenship.[44]

Many critics argue that Vanunu had no additional information that would pose a real security threat to Israel, and that the Israeli government's real motivation is a desire to avoid political embarrassment and financial complications for itself and allies such as the United States. By not acknowledging possession of nuclear weapons, Israel avoids a US legal prohibition on funding countries which proliferate weapons of mass destruction. Such an admission would prevent Israel from receiving over $2 billion each year in military and other aid from Washington.[45]

Ray Kidder, then a senior American nuclear scientist at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, has said:

On the basis of this research and my own professional experience, I am ready to challenge any official assertion that Mr. Vanunu possesses any technical nuclear information not already made public.[46]

His last appeal against his conviction, to the Israeli Supreme Court in 1990, failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu

US uses black market nuclear deal accusations constantly either against Iran, recently Asad, Qaddafi was a major one. What is interesting I came across an article when the IAEA was inquiring why a famous Russian scientist was in Iran in the 90's, published years ago.

This is by far the best source of information regarding the marketplace

Wisser and Meyer's deal illustrates the increasingly white-collar nature of the nuclear bomb business. The popular image of desperate terrorists smuggling enriched uranium across borders may not be the most serious nuclear threat to the world. Instead, the people helping to make the bombs are often successful businessmen made even richer through illicit deals for making the machines to enrich uranium and build bombs. They may live in suburbs and belong to country clubs. And their ability to operate under the guise of "legitimate" business makes catching up with them far more difficult.

<snip>

A.Q. Khan was the architect of an audacious global trafficking network in sophisticated technology that supplied nuclear know-how and uranium enrichment equipment to North Korea, Iran and Libya. Manufacturers and businesses from as many as 30 countries participated in the enterprise. "The beast," according to the National Nuclear Security Administration, was intended to become part of a uranium enrichment facility enabling Libya to produce as many as several nuclear bombs a year.

<snip>

Khan assembled a network of businesses able to dodge international export controls by secretly obtaining the technology for nuclear enrichment from multiple locales. In some instances, the job was made easier by the fact that much of the technology needed to enrich uranium and build nuclear bombs has a civilian use as well—in everything from navigation to medicine to energy production—making exports far more difficult to control (and penalties, for mere export violations, far less than those for illegally building a nuclear bomb).

A global network of manufacturers, linked together by Khan according to their specialties, turned their otherwise legitimate businesses into contractors for enriching uranium. Most of them, unlike Gerhard Wisser and Johan Meyer, have yet to be prosecuted; some critics say one reason has been the United States' reluctance to cooperate on international investigations.

Khan operated his international sales network undetected for more than a decade. There is only one international body with the authority to monitor and prevent the trafficking of nuclear technology—the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)—and it wasn't looking for operations such as Khan's.

Instead, until recently, both the United States and the IAEA have focused on the smuggling of uranium by criminals or terrorists. The U.S. poured hundreds of millions of dollars into a program aimed at providing former Soviet nuclear scientists with employment to keep them out of the black market.

http://cironline.org/reports/business-bomb-modern-nuclear-marketplace-2219

Again, published years before the recent Whistleblower prosecutions. You come across information like that, the only thing I can ask myself is WTF is really going on?

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JFK made it abundantly clear to many people hifiguy Feb 2015 #1
John F. Kennedy's Vision of Peace Octafish Feb 2015 #25
The CIA Should Be Disbanded. Kennedy got it right. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #75
Frank Church warned us in 1975 about the secret government and secret power. Octafish Feb 2015 #81
Just think, if this policy had prevailed, I would have missed jaysunb Feb 2015 #2
How many trips did you make a broad? HereSince1628 Feb 2015 #7
LOL ! jaysunb Feb 2015 #10
Yes killing Kommunists for Freedom warrant46 Feb 2015 #22
I'm still conflicted about LBJ jaysunb Feb 2015 #34
Halliburton Deals Recall Vietnam-Era Controversy Octafish Feb 2015 #39
IIRC the second volume of Robert Caro's LBJ biography hifiguy Feb 2015 #53
They are bad, real bad, JonLP24 Feb 2015 #80
Look at foreign policy & domestic spying JonLP24 Feb 2015 #78
Same here brother, same here. GGJohn Feb 2015 #37
No he didn't or he wouldn't have escalated the war like he did during his presidency. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #3
Are you questioning the authenticity of NSAM 263? RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #5
Outstanding post, Rufus! hifiguy Feb 2015 #6
Thanks! And to answer your question: Yes, I have! RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #8
Outstanding book. H2O Man Feb 2015 #17
Yikes! Didn't even know about the Gandhi book RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #24
It didn't get H2O Man Feb 2015 #32
I'm looking forward to reading it. RufusTFirefly Feb 2015 #35
I am not questioning Kennedy's words. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #9
I guess you do not know what back-channels means. Rex Feb 2015 #29
I don't doubt Kennedy tried to find a diplomatic end. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #31
Oh I do completely, by his second term. Rex Feb 2015 #33
Well it's not like Vietnam turned nuclear anyway. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #40
It easily could have, if John Foster Dulles and Allen Dulles had their way. Octafish Feb 2015 #50
Many of those who disagree with you (and me) begin their posts with the words "I believe." That KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #68
+1 n/t jaysunb Feb 2015 #70
You're trying to talk facts into this debate YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #63
''This is a sacred cow here. An article of faith among Camelot believers.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #84
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Feb 2015 #16
I think his decision making in 1963 warrants at least a debate on the matter. Drunken Irishman Feb 2015 #27
Interesting. H2O Man Feb 2015 #42
Remarks of Senator John F. Kennedy on Indochina before the Senate, Washington, D.C., April 6, 1954 Octafish Feb 2015 #44
Excellent ! n/t jaysunb Feb 2015 #72
JFK toured Vietnam in 1951... Octafish Feb 2015 #73
this is one of the reasons heaven05 Feb 2015 #4
Bingo we have a winner! workinclasszero Feb 2015 #19
No, he really didn't Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #11
JFK’s Embrace of Third World Nationalists Octafish Feb 2015 #46
The CIA didn't much care for Kennedy. blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #12
Just the bad apples who contracted the Mafia to murder heads of state. Octafish Feb 2015 #38
The George Bush Center for Intelligence is the headquarters of the Central Intelligence Agency blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #13
Pic URL: blkmusclmachine Feb 2015 #14
Meanwhile, in regards to Cuba.... YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #15
Just before his assassination, President Kennedy ordered secret peace talks with Castro Octafish Feb 2015 #49
It can be safely said Castro and Khrushchev were hifiguy Feb 2015 #54
Which is so weird how the evidentiary trail led right to them. Octafish Feb 2015 #55
According to Douglass there were at least two hifiguy Feb 2015 #56
"This is a story that I don't see mentioned very often" YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #61
So when you can't find anything to support your POV, resort to condescension, YoungDemCA. Octafish Feb 2015 #67
This a a good discussion & debate - FairWinds Feb 2015 #18
George H.W. Bush was in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Feb 2015 #69
Not to mention JFK was also going to obliterate the CIA 99th_Monkey Feb 2015 #20
JFK famously said after the Bay of Pigs hifiguy Feb 2015 #28
Back channel negotiations with Khrushchev. roamer65 Feb 2015 #21
Secret Government is why the pendulum won't swing back. Octafish Feb 2015 #52
All due respect, but the verdict of professional historians who have examined the KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #23
JFK would have pulled the plug on it. roamer65 Feb 2015 #58
John M. Newman, in ''JFK and Vietnam'' documented the sordid history. Octafish Feb 2015 #71
Since your extract mentions Kaiser's "American Tragedy" in its final paragraph, it is KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #76
Not a thesis. It's what the documentary record shows. Octafish Feb 2015 #82
We are now come full circle. If JFK was being fed info that led hiim to believe the KingCharlemagne Feb 2015 #85
So Oliver Stone was right. That's what he said after his movie JFK came out. nt Damansarajaya Feb 2015 #26
lol. nt BootinUp Feb 2015 #47
''I will never send draftees over there to fight.'' Octafish Feb 2015 #48
He wanted a complete withdraw, but the MICIA said no way. Rex Feb 2015 #30
JFK would never fall for phony intel like Gulf of Tonkin. Octafish Feb 2015 #74
I have tried to get folks to view "Evidence of Revision" 1-6 on YouTube. kelliekat44 Feb 2015 #36
Thank you, kelliekat44! Octafish Feb 2015 #83
That's probably why the Fascists killed him. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #41
Agreed, Almost Certainly colsohlibgal Feb 2015 #43
The evidence that Oswald was "just a patsy" is undeniable. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #51
I remember seeing the clip where Oswald makes the "patsy" statement. hifiguy Feb 2015 #57
Better yet, look up the video of Jack Ruby saying "If Adlai Stevenson had been VP..." N/t roamer65 Feb 2015 #59
I deny it. As does Oswald's brother, for that matter. YoungDemCA Feb 2015 #62
K&R woo me with science Feb 2015 #45
Peter Dale Scott did the yeoman's work on JFK and Vietnam issue. Octafish Feb 2015 #86
November 22, 1963 was a coup d'état masked by an assassination...plain and simple. roamer65 Feb 2015 #60
JFK knew what he was getting into in Dallas. He had survived an attempt in Chicago... Octafish Feb 2015 #89
I have always suspected JFK was killed for his opposition to that war. Special Prosciuto Feb 2015 #64
Kennedy had too much potential to help the common people. There is even a rumor that he was dissentient Feb 2015 #65
Flying Saucer bullshit began in 1947, with the hallucinating "pilot" Kenneth Arnold Special Prosciuto Feb 2015 #66
He also shot down Operation Northwoods JonLP24 Feb 2015 #77
John Aschcroft stopped flying commercial airliners in July 2001 based on a 'threat assessment.' Octafish Feb 2015 #87
I was actually looking up black market nuclear history as well as overall nuclear history JonLP24 Feb 2015 #90
We really don't know what JFK would've done with Vietnam. He didn't want to make a decision until craigmatic Feb 2015 #79
At this point madville Feb 2015 #88
Interesting thread. K&R nt Electric Monk Feb 2015 #91
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