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110. Manufactured News is a MURDOCH Speciality

Wed Feb 25, 2015, 12:44 PM

Feb 2015

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The manufactured outrage that purports to be legitimate criticism of Hillary is pathetic [View all] stevenleser Feb 2015 OP

While I agree much of the outrage is silly. Egnever Feb 2015 #1

If HRC is the Democratic Party candidate we will lose. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #7

If HRC is the Democratic candidate...... daleanime Feb 2015 #16

You mean like universities and womens groups? leftofcool Feb 2015 #39

You know that isn't what I mean. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #95

Ridiculous, but thanks for helping me make sure everybody gets to vote. randys1 Feb 2015 #151

Who is going to be the better candidate? JoePhilly Feb 2015 #187

A respectable, appealing Democrat that has not adopted a corporate centric stance. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #220

As of Feb. 25, 2015, who has announced? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #236

Very obviously, it's far from all her "detractors" have. But you knew that. merrily Feb 2015 #2

You're so right - these straw man arguments are laughable. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #108

+1. The OP is being dishonest Martin Eden Feb 2015 #155

"Her vote for the Iraq war is the 800 pound gorilla in the room ..." Sheepshank Feb 2015 #200

Excuse me, I should have said **some** Hillary voters Martin Eden Feb 2015 #247

I think you missed the entirety of my paragraph #4 Sheepshank Feb 2015 #282

Nope. I addressed it thoroughly. Martin Eden Feb 2015 #289

But Hillary doesn't even meet 50% of my expectations. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #353

It would appear that you are not a single issue voter then. Sheepshank Mar 2015 #360

Hopefully, Hillary will hear about my views on her silence and my assumptions JDPriestly Mar 2015 #362

LA LA LA Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #242

+1 progressoid Feb 2015 #258

Some outraged people need attention in the worst way. You have to agree they are successful at it Hekate Feb 2015 #3

Sorry about tomorrow, Hekate. Take care. freshwest Feb 2015 #13

Thanks, fresh. He was my neighbor's father, a Holocaust survivor who was face to face w Mengele... Hekate Feb 2015 #221

What a gift to know such people. Thanks for the history. freshwest Feb 2015 #239

All I know is Karl Rove and company are working in the background, daily. randys1 Feb 2015 #153

Thank you. freshwest Feb 2015 #161

I totally agree with you Andy823 Feb 2015 #168

And saying such illuminating, and telling, things like ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #194

Self-deleted? Where's that spine they accuse Dems of not having? freshwest Feb 2015 #226

I trust Obama. I don't trust Hillary. I didn't say I like everything about Obama lindysalsagal Feb 2015 #358

I agree, it's ridiculous. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #4

Pot is illegal and the government tells us it is very dangerous Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Try this out. It's about ten minutes long but powerful: freshwest Feb 2015 #20

Hmm.. this kind of shoots down the talking points about Hillary and the IWR vote Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

Sometimes, the problem with being so knowledgeable is being too focused on minute details BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #97

Voting for something you know is wrong and going to be a failure for political expediency? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #105

Welcome to American politics! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #120

"she wants to be the first female president in U.S. history" Fumesucker Feb 2015 #122

You're better than that, Fumesucker. Your "gotcha" response is beneath you. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #128

You think Hillary doesn't want to be the first female President? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #143

I think her candidacy is a sort of proxy for a lot of peoples' ... stuff Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #228

See, Fume, she DIDN'T vote for the worst, bloodiest, most expensive foreign policy decision in Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #227

I do, thanks. haha InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #253

The IWR was a "minute detail"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #213

Blaming Democrats for the Iraq war because of that vote is revisionist history. stevenleser Feb 2015 #286

I'm blaming them for their own vote. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #296

Its not reasonable. See my #298 above. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #299

I did, Steve. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #303

Then you are determined to believe in revisionist history. This isn't hard. stevenleser Feb 2015 #306

I knew the invasion was predicated on bullshit, just like I knew Bush's 16 words about yellowcake Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #309

That is a separate issue by the time the 2003 speech came along. This is my point. stevenleser Feb 2015 #318

The SOTU speech is just one example. What was the impetus for running up to war in the first place? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #330

10 minutes of her pontificating about herself isn't what I meant. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #32

Powerful compilation of speeches. Thoroughly enjoyed watching and listening, freshwest. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #85

I agree entirely that this is trumped-up controversy, and frankly a bit sad.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #152

Maybe we need to define what the bedrock principles are then because that is the problem TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #274

Agreed.. Here lies the conundrum.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #285

For one thing you have set up a ton of assumptions and rationalizations that TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #310

Geeez.. I did all that.. I'm exhausted.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #333

Gonna keep dodging the "bedrock principles" assertion, huh? Why is so hard to support your own point TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #359

You're right, I'm surprised that some haven't switched to the A Simple Game Feb 2015 #5

There has been considerable mocking of Brian Willams on DU for "lying about being shot at" Fumesucker Feb 2015 #23

Did you catch Rachel Maddow's call-out of that claim by Hillary last night? bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #56

Heh.. No I didn't but it's nice to hear.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #58

Hillary should get a pass, no. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #80

Many of us don't give a shit about that. obxhead Feb 2015 #6

+1! Thank you. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #8

Agreed. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #216

It ain't manufactured. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #9

Yeah, it is. That's how it comes across, too. Just so you know... eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #98

To you it comes across that way. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #99

To the majority of Democrats, it does. But yeah, I agree, not to you. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #100

I refuse to argue with you. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #102

What is largely manufactured is the support it seems to me. We have a few ardents TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #275

Well, that argument isn't manufactured. It's democracy in a nutshell, TK. The majority wins and you BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #278

this is pretty funny. KG Feb 2015 #10

All the nitpicking over where her contributors do their banking MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #11

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #12

Just for clarity: progressives and hardcore liberals are not the base of the Democratic Party. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #17

Then all of you centrists will stop blaming Nader for 2000? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #19

Completely irrelevant wyldwolf Feb 2015 #21

You never disagreed with my OP about how the Democrats should marginalize and ignore liberals.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24

If you had said pizza is better than tacos wyldwolf Feb 2015 #25

You're talking to yourself.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #28

The perils of DU on a cell phone wyldwolf Feb 2015 #31

Make up your mind. Spewing hatred about the left and then being disappointed when they don't rhett o rick Mar 2015 #363

Ah "spewing." Did you recently learn that word? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #364

As are your ad hominem attacks. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #365

You attack, then complain when you someone reciprocates. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #367

That's a powerful post by William Pitt! I never saw it before, so thank you for reposting it here, BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #88

I can't believe Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #119

It IS hard to believe. He could have benefitted from reading it before writing some of his 'other' stevenleser Feb 2015 #210

Very well put ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #223

THIS is the Will Pitt I used to admire. The man can think and write insightfully... Hekate Feb 2015 #243

William Rivers Pitt ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #245

The overwrought rhetoric DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #65

Then they're not the Party Base... SidDithers Feb 2015 #68

Sorry you feel that way. In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #82

Venimus, vidimus, et mortuus est Fumesucker Feb 2015 #14

She had many donations controversies in 2008 JonLP24 Feb 2015 #15

"Appearing regularly on networks like Fox News and RT, Steve Leser" Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #26

And yet you defend Greenwald for paid Koch appearances no doubt nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #36

Nope. I don't, thats what you get paid to do. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #37

Yes, you did. And I am not going to forget it. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #40

Lol. You still work for Fox news. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #41

No, I don't. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #172

Lol! I don't blame you for denying that. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #244

Lol, Learn what it means when someone is introduced as "a guest" words mean things. stevenleser Feb 2015 #269

Here's another hint for you. I appear on multiple networks. Employees arent allowed to do that. stevenleser Feb 2015 #273

Yes like on such credible networks like RT Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #311

So you are giving up on your claim that I work for a network and moving the goalposts? stevenleser Feb 2015 #319

Not at all. Just an observation of who your various masters are. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #323

Translation: You are making stuff up as you go along. And defending Greenwald for the same stuff you stevenleser Feb 2015 #324

Well, you never had any so it doesn't exactly bother me what you burble. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #328

LOL, I'm consistent and have my facts right. You arent and don't. It's that simple. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #336

Wait, you don't get paid to go on Fox? nt. druidity33 Feb 2015 #334

No. How many times do I have to explain this. Whatever network I go on I am a guest. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #335

Funny that the people who pile on you zappaman Feb 2015 #338

Yep, including the other poster in this subthread who can't seem to make up his mind whether its stevenleser Feb 2015 #341

Methinks you protest to much Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #339

So is this the hour when you think its bad or good to do Conservative media? nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #340

Working as you do Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #342

I'm entertained by the question of whether you will own up to your hypocrisy. And whether stevenleser Feb 2015 #343

Excellent attempt at deflection, you sir, are Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #344

No deflection. That question is the only reason I'm still responding to you. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #346

No, Your still a Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #355

so you travel, appear on a news program, druidity33 Feb 2015 #357

FYI, Greenwald has also appeared on FOX. DanTex Feb 2015 #62

BOOM./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #64

But that's different ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #225

Yep. Oops! LOL! stevenleser Feb 2015 #287

OH NOES! NOT THE TRUTH!!! Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #352

If that was all her detractors had I would support her too. But it's not the speakers fees ... Scuba Feb 2015 #27

+100000000 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #43

"If Hillary is the best our party can do, we need a new party" LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #77

Need a new party? NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #261

Nor is anyone stoppping you from pontificating that the party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #283

Well, being as I have never "pontificated" ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #290

Well, being as I have never "pontificated" LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #291

Link or slink ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #292

Sorry, I was just laughing uncontrolably that you never pontificated LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #293

Just as I am laughing ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #295

If anyone should know manufactured outrage it's you, Steven Fumesucker Feb 2015 #29

And of course you defended Greenwald for being paid to appear at a Koch conference stevenleser Feb 2015 #38

Ah, you mean the folks who helped fund the DLC Fumesucker Feb 2015 #44

And that did it right there. Autumn Feb 2015 #50

Nice pwnage you got going on there! Rex Feb 2015 #140

I'm not surprised you consider a non-sequitur an "ownage" nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #174

I'm not surprised you consider a telling point a non-sequitur Fumesucker Feb 2015 #267

Most non-sequiturs are points. Points that are not directly related to what is being discussed. stevenleser Feb 2015 #277

Results... Major Nikon Feb 2015 #231

Thanks. Rex Feb 2015 #272

Which has nothing to do with your attack on me. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #173

Ahh, the "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense tkmorris Feb 2015 #46

Nope, it's pointing out hypocrisy. That person can now explain where he "Really" means it. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #175

Well in fairness he is only a pundit. Not like he has any kind of objectivity in his posting. Rex Feb 2015 #222

As opposed to you who is the pillar of absolute objectivity in posts. stevenleser Feb 2015 #279

Doesn't Foxnews need you to go and play softball pundit with them? Rex Feb 2015 #316

Isn't it time for you to defend Greenwald for taking money from the Koch brothers for appearances stevenleser Feb 2015 #321

Why would I defend GG? It is so amusing that you think I support him. Rex Feb 2015 #337

The post in response to this one makes so little sense I don't even understand the point in posting Number23 Feb 2015 #230

The folks who criticize me for that really outed themselves when they defended Greenwald for a paid stevenleser Feb 2015 #270

Well, this thread has certainly shown the light on some of the really nasty and incredibly stupid Number23 Feb 2015 #294

I feel honored in a way. They focus similar hypocrisy and dishonesty on Obama and Hillary. stevenleser Feb 2015 #345

Glad others see it. Dawgs Feb 2015 #49

Many folks see lots of things. Like your group defending Greenwald for the same things. stevenleser Feb 2015 #280

HRC - An Economic Royalist At Heart cantbeserious Feb 2015 #30

She sure have a "Let them eat cake" mentality. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #158

I kind of see it that way too steven madokie Feb 2015 #33

I agree the outrage is pathetic Kalidurga Feb 2015 #34

There is a sea of difference between the Clinton Foundation and the Koch brothers and their PACs. Vinca Feb 2015 #35

since when has The Family helped poor people around the world? MisterP Feb 2015 #349

That's all her detractors got? Broward Feb 2015 #42

That's some funny stuff right there! 99Forever Feb 2015 #45

Did she vote for the Iraq war because she thought it would help in 2008 or not? Dawgs Feb 2015 #47

K&R. And so is the manufactured outrage at Steven Leser for appearing on FOX. DanTex Feb 2015 #48

If Fox didn't think Steven was helping catapult propaganda he wouldn't be there Fumesucker Feb 2015 #51

Oops. I would be surprised, if expected a shred of intellectual consistency from you... DanTex Feb 2015 #54

Steven is running for President? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #55

LOL. Always an excuse. DanTex Feb 2015 #59

lol Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author BeanMusical Feb 2015 #160

How do you feel about Glen Greenwald? DanTex Feb 2015 #61

I noticed you've decided to run and hide. Good decision on your part. DanTex Feb 2015 #63

Nine minutes.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #67

39-24=15, but who's counting... DanTex Feb 2015 #71

Steven remembered a comment of mine about Greenwald Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72

Greenwald also appeared on FOX. Doesn't seem to bother you. DanTex Feb 2015 #73

Of course you don't understand what Koch funding of the DLC implies.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #76

For Steven Leser bashing? No, I sure don't. DanTex Feb 2015 #79

Steven's the one who brought up Koch in the first place.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #149

Good point. Glen Greenwald has both been on FOX, and appeared at a Koch DanTex Feb 2015 #150

I've interacted with both Greenwald and Leser at various times... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #156

OK, so it's got nothing to do with appearing on FOX. That's just a cheap-shot. DanTex Feb 2015 #157

Leser belittles anyone even slightly to his left and is an asshole about it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #159

A quick glance at your posts in this thread will tell anyone why I am snarky towards you. stevenleser Feb 2015 #176

I've interacted with both Greenwald and you at various times... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #179

No, he's not. And there is evidence all over the web as to how Greenwald reacts when challenged. stevenleser Feb 2015 #180

Manufactured outrage AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #224

No, it's not. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #229

Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #246

Yep, he's the evidence of your hypocrisy. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #281

I've interacted directly with Greenwald on the comments at Salon Fumesucker Feb 2015 #305

Links? And if and when you can provide them, I'll provide dozens that tell the opposite story. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #307

I finally found a link for you Steven Fumesucker Feb 2015 #317

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Feb 2015 #312

Your check is in the mail! Rex Feb 2015 #142

The man indeed has nerves of steel for doing so. He's always embattled by RWNJs. freshwest Feb 2015 #162

I think the constant "HRC is the anointed one" is pathetic. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #52

I don't care about the speaking fees. I care about things like the TPP and fracking. djean111 Feb 2015 #53

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #93

You are right on regarding straw man arguments. The fact is still_one Feb 2015 #57

Hell Yes DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #70

I am sooo stealing that gif! freshwest Feb 2015 #240

And how many of those things would have passed F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #104

That thread where the op brought it up is alive and well still_one Feb 2015 #130

First off F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #146

It wasn't just the left still_one Feb 2015 #148

Yes, I remember all of those, too. freshwest Feb 2015 #164

You see exactly what I see. It's one ridiculous attack after another. And the response to me from stevenleser Feb 2015 #198

Did I miss something, Steve? Are the primaries already over? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #232

Maybe I missed it, but that wasn't the point of the OP still_one Feb 2015 #252

maybe. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #254

absolutely still_one Feb 2015 #251

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Feb 2015 #66

How do you tell the difference between the two? They use the same talking points. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #90

''Fringe Left'' is a loaded term. Octafish Feb 2015 #115

Well in fairness Rex Feb 2015 #144

Thanks for noticing that, Rex. Octafish Feb 2015 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #235

Hillary Clinton bowed down to George Bush and not only supported the worst decision in a century, rhett o rick Feb 2015 #257

At least this guy loves her. L0oniX Feb 2015 #313

This guy, too. Octafish Feb 2015 #322

k&r... spanone Feb 2015 #69

If she ends up being our candidate, I will support her. B Calm Feb 2015 #74

me, too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #233

You aren't this stupid. jeff47 Feb 2015 #78

Really? DanTex Feb 2015 #83

Yes, really. jeff47 Feb 2015 #84

"One thread". LOL. DanTex Feb 2015 #86

You listed one. Feel free to list others. jeff47 Feb 2015 #89

OK. Here are the first few google hits. DanTex Feb 2015 #91

Really? Thread #1 is about her DONATING HER FEE. jeff47 Feb 2015 #94

OK, then the other four, and the rest of the google dump. DanTex Feb 2015 #96

Gore was not entitled to liberal votes. Neither is Clinton jeff47 Feb 2015 #101

It's kinda sad that the biggest contribution the far left has made to the direction of the DanTex Feb 2015 #107

Again, you are blaming the wrong people. jeff47 Feb 2015 #109

No I'm not. I'm blaming the people who are working against the party and not for it. DanTex Feb 2015 #118

And again, you are failing to produce the list I asked for. jeff47 Feb 2015 #126

OK, so you don't think minimum wage, gay rights, abortion, social security, unions, progressive DanTex Feb 2015 #141

Do you think volume of text is a good cover for not reading responses? jeff47 Feb 2015 #196

That huge volume of text you just posted certainly wasn't, no. DanTex Feb 2015 #203

I seriously admire your tenacity. Puglover Feb 2015 #271

Huh. 'biggest contribution the far left'...'last two decades is siphoning votes away from Gore'? Octafish Feb 2015 #117

Well, what else have they done. Name one major impact the far left has had, DanTex Feb 2015 #121

Helped bring about the end of the Vietnam war.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #169

I'll grant you that. The far left had a big role in ending the Vietnam war. DanTex Feb 2015 #170

That success is why they were told to sit down and shut up.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #171

OK, but my question is still: "what have you done for me lately?" DanTex Feb 2015 #177

Big money rules and big money loathes the left, loves the right Fumesucker Feb 2015 #183

I agree with that. Just disagree that the solution is sabotaging the Democrats. DanTex Feb 2015 #184

We tried to stop Dubya and Hillary but it didn't work, we didn't get any publicity Fumesucker Feb 2015 #190

No, you didn't try to stop W. You tried to stop Gore. And it worked. And we all got W. DanTex Feb 2015 #193

I don't live in Florida and I didn't vote for Nader Fumesucker Feb 2015 #207

Not you personally. The far left generally. DanTex Feb 2015 #211

Once again, millions of people protested the war Fumesucker Feb 2015 #215

Yeah, and the war happened anyway. Yay Naderites! DanTex Feb 2015 #219

You also can't make complaints about splitting the vote or comparisons to Nader until she's the nom. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #256

The far left Mnpaul Feb 2015 #327

Your post was alerted on, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2015 #87

FYI, I was not the alerter nor would I have voted to hide, as much as I disagree. stevenleser Feb 2015 #181

You're right, I am not stupid. And Stillone's post #57 here shows more of what I am talking about. stevenleser Feb 2015 #182

I am all for a healthy debate here but sometimes like ladt night things just get ridiculous. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #81

Then stop supporting corporate policy, enabling government capture, warmongering, TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #112

You are telling me I support those things? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #114

Yes, you buy in on the policies of the politicians you support particularly as the pattern grows. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #132

So the majority of Democrats are third way? oh please! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #134

Who knows the exact percentage breakdown but yes it is significant, particularly in leadership and TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #192

I meant the people of our party. In every poll they want her as president. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #195

Most of the people in the party are not doing much beyond blending generic Democrats TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #218

And of course, someone replies to you illustrating your point! stevenleser Feb 2015 #178

It is so predictable at this point. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #197

Are you concerned that the Unions might not support her? Savannahmann Feb 2015 #92

They are grasping at straws. William769 Feb 2015 #103

Agreed and it reflects poorly on them. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #106

I guess the new talking point is to try to spin the IWR vote as some sort of brilliant politics. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #234

And for your crowd I know you all hate this little fact William769 Feb 2015 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #241

oh and by the way... "they went on the information given"- that, sir, is a fucking CROCK. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #262

So your previous response was just blowing smoke. William769 Feb 2015 #263

No, nice try. So why don't you actually respond to what I've said, Bill? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #264

Brilliant politics? No. But the bad thing some folks make it out to be? Also, no. stevenleser Feb 2015 #288

yeah, it was a bad thing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #297

No, it wasn't. And my article makes it clear why. If you dont agree, you have to explain certain stevenleser Feb 2015 #298

Everyone knew that the IWR wasn't about "pressure". The invasion was a foregone conclusion. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #302

That's exactly the revisionist history I'm talking about. No everyone didn't. And that includes stevenleser Feb 2015 #304

Oh come on. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #308

See my #318 above. And no... stevenleser Feb 2015 #320

Except it's called the "Iraq War Resolution", not the "Iraq Pressure Resolution". Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #331

And water which puts out fire is made of two flammable gasses. But that doesn't change what it is. stevenleser Feb 2015 #347

No it does not. On that we agree! Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #348

No, they didnt, as debate over the wording showed. Moreover, and you always run into this problem... stevenleser Feb 2015 #350

If the intent, scope and effect of the UN resolution and US law were identical or nearly so, Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #356

Manufactured News is a MURDOCH Speciality Octafish Feb 2015 #110

There's a lot more baggage on her train than merely cuddling up to bankers. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #111

For another thing, she sides with Warmongers. Octafish Feb 2015 #113

As I said, a LOT more baggage. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #123

and cluster bombs Mnpaul Feb 2015 #329

I like Hillary. yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2015 #116

So do I. But I will not vote for her. closeupready Feb 2015 #139

some of it is legitimate Enrique Feb 2015 #124

I'm dubious zipplewrath Feb 2015 #125

I see lots of ad hominem attacks on Steve... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127

Insults are all that some have here. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #129

It has to be hard to be on tv discussing politics./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #133

He does a great job. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #135

I agree. Steve is a terrific pundit for Democrats and the Democratic agenda. closeupready Feb 2015 #138

I have seen him a few times. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #145

+ a million. I get the feeling that the ones doing the attacking want the rest of us to think it's Number23 Feb 2015 #237

The electronic diarrhea that constitutes this thread BubbaFett Feb 2015 #131

It really has become clear. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #136

Sorry amigo, I disagree that liberals here who oppose Hillary are making it all up. closeupready Feb 2015 #137

So is it liberals or progressives that oppose Hillary Clinton? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #201

I can speak only for myself, but as a liberal, I object to her and what her husband did closeupready Feb 2015 #206

I am not opposed to her, but I don't support her. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #217

This is a real photo shopped picture L0oniX Feb 2015 #314

I'm curious about what you hope to accomplish with this OP. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #147

+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #166

Concern trolling, that is all poor pundit fella is left with. Rex Feb 2015 #354

For me...I agree fredamae Feb 2015 #154

Someone else posted this gem of a question: randome Feb 2015 #165

That's going to hurt ... later. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #189

Why are so many of the pro-Hillary posts so dishonest? Marr Feb 2015 #167

You need to get out more. Orsino Feb 2015 #185

Nope. See Stillone's #57 above. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #186

Nope. That doesn't address the broad brush of the OP. Orsino Feb 2015 #191

Yep, it does. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #199

Oh. Was your OP a general complaint? Orsino Feb 2015 #202

No ... No ... No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #188

I find your manufactured outrage about the manufactured outrage TheSarcastinator Feb 2015 #204

As long as you acknowledge what is being written about Hillary here is manufactured outrage... stevenleser Feb 2015 #212

We're still more than a year and a half out ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #205

I've been thinking about that as well. How much new nonsense will be invented between now and then stevenleser Feb 2015 #214

So your logic is to just accept Hillary and do not say bad things about her? Really? nt Logical Feb 2015 #249

Interesting use of the word, "legitimate" Android3.14 Feb 2015 #208

Nope, not an interesting use of the word. Pretty straightforward re: speaking fees and the stevenleser Feb 2015 #209

LOL, so losing the 30 point lead to Obama does not worry you? nt Logical Feb 2015 #248

My disgust is not manufactured daredtowork Feb 2015 #250

More "Manufactured Outrage" IBM Offers To Move Laid Off Workers To India Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #255

So because in 2005 Hillary said, betsuni Feb 2015 #260

She is one of the architects of TPP Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #265

The Clintons have made $100,000,000 in the last 15 years. They are on close rhett o rick Feb 2015 #259

You must not of read the OP saying she was the RIGHT candidate nolabels Feb 2015 #266

I put Leser at the top of the "tone deaf" pile Fumesucker Feb 2015 #268

Good point. We don't want the Right Democratic candidate but the Left Democratic candidate. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #276

And more evidence of my point, the intentional misrepresentation of this poll stevenleser Feb 2015 #284

That poster will be congratulated in other threads. "Holding her feet to the fire" and all. great white snark Feb 2015 #300

Thank you. And the week isn't over! I am sure we will see more manufactured BS before its over. stevenleser Feb 2015 #325

What's 'pathetic' is a political party that can't come up with a better candidate than Hillary Dems to Win Feb 2015 #301

hahahahaha Holy shite! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #315

She voted for the authorization to go into Iraq. That is why she lost my vote. nt kelly1mm Feb 2015 #326

But..but...she single handedly started the Iraq War. Didn't you read Karl Rove's talking point? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #332

Which of her specific stances do you like? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #351

50 Recs, thanks so much to all who recced! nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #361

I don't know how many people are manufacturing outrage. LWolf Mar 2015 #366

Is this what you're referring to? cui bono Oct 2015 #368

Nope, this... stevenleser Oct 2015 #369