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274. Maybe we need to define what the bedrock principles are then because that is the problem

Thu Feb 26, 2015, 10:35 AM

Feb 2015

in my estimation.

Corporatist, interventionist, Bill of Rights shredding fuckers are the deadly enemy regardless of a letter by their name. The fact that some are more extreme doesn't align us and in fact shows where the real "bedrock principles" are actually shared and that it is they who are separated by views on issues.

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The manufactured outrage that purports to be legitimate criticism of Hillary is pathetic [View all] stevenleser Feb 2015 OP

While I agree much of the outrage is silly. Egnever Feb 2015 #1

If HRC is the Democratic Party candidate we will lose. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #7

If HRC is the Democratic candidate...... daleanime Feb 2015 #16

You mean like universities and womens groups? leftofcool Feb 2015 #39

You know that isn't what I mean. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #95

Ridiculous, but thanks for helping me make sure everybody gets to vote. randys1 Feb 2015 #151

Who is going to be the better candidate? JoePhilly Feb 2015 #187

A respectable, appealing Democrat that has not adopted a corporate centric stance. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #220

As of Feb. 25, 2015, who has announced? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #236

Very obviously, it's far from all her "detractors" have. But you knew that. merrily Feb 2015 #2

You're so right - these straw man arguments are laughable. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #108

+1. The OP is being dishonest Martin Eden Feb 2015 #155

"Her vote for the Iraq war is the 800 pound gorilla in the room ..." Sheepshank Feb 2015 #200

Excuse me, I should have said **some** Hillary voters Martin Eden Feb 2015 #247

I think you missed the entirety of my paragraph #4 Sheepshank Feb 2015 #282

Nope. I addressed it thoroughly. Martin Eden Feb 2015 #289

But Hillary doesn't even meet 50% of my expectations. JDPriestly Feb 2015 #353

It would appear that you are not a single issue voter then. Sheepshank Mar 2015 #360

Hopefully, Hillary will hear about my views on her silence and my assumptions JDPriestly Mar 2015 #362

LA LA LA Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #242

+1 progressoid Feb 2015 #258

Some outraged people need attention in the worst way. You have to agree they are successful at it Hekate Feb 2015 #3

Sorry about tomorrow, Hekate. Take care. freshwest Feb 2015 #13

Thanks, fresh. He was my neighbor's father, a Holocaust survivor who was face to face w Mengele... Hekate Feb 2015 #221

What a gift to know such people. Thanks for the history. freshwest Feb 2015 #239

All I know is Karl Rove and company are working in the background, daily. randys1 Feb 2015 #153

Thank you. freshwest Feb 2015 #161

I totally agree with you Andy823 Feb 2015 #168

And saying such illuminating, and telling, things like ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #194

Self-deleted? Where's that spine they accuse Dems of not having? freshwest Feb 2015 #226

I trust Obama. I don't trust Hillary. I didn't say I like everything about Obama lindysalsagal Feb 2015 #358

I agree, it's ridiculous. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #4

Pot is illegal and the government tells us it is very dangerous Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

Try this out. It's about ten minutes long but powerful: freshwest Feb 2015 #20

Hmm.. this kind of shoots down the talking points about Hillary and the IWR vote Fumesucker Feb 2015 #22

Sometimes, the problem with being so knowledgeable is being too focused on minute details BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #97

Voting for something you know is wrong and going to be a failure for political expediency? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #105

Welcome to American politics! BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #120

"she wants to be the first female president in U.S. history" Fumesucker Feb 2015 #122

You're better than that, Fumesucker. Your "gotcha" response is beneath you. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #128

You think Hillary doesn't want to be the first female President? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #143

I think her candidacy is a sort of proxy for a lot of peoples' ... stuff Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #228

See, Fume, she DIDN'T vote for the worst, bloodiest, most expensive foreign policy decision in Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #227

I do, thanks. haha InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2015 #253

The IWR was a "minute detail"? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #213

Blaming Democrats for the Iraq war because of that vote is revisionist history. stevenleser Feb 2015 #286

I'm blaming them for their own vote. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #296

Its not reasonable. See my #298 above. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #299

I did, Steve. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #303

Then you are determined to believe in revisionist history. This isn't hard. stevenleser Feb 2015 #306

I knew the invasion was predicated on bullshit, just like I knew Bush's 16 words about yellowcake Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #309

That is a separate issue by the time the 2003 speech came along. This is my point. stevenleser Feb 2015 #318

The SOTU speech is just one example. What was the impetus for running up to war in the first place? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #330

10 minutes of her pontificating about herself isn't what I meant. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #32

Powerful compilation of speeches. Thoroughly enjoyed watching and listening, freshwest. BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #85

I agree entirely that this is trumped-up controversy, and frankly a bit sad.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #152

Maybe we need to define what the bedrock principles are then because that is the problem TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #274

Agreed.. Here lies the conundrum.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #285

For one thing you have set up a ton of assumptions and rationalizations that TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #310

Geeez.. I did all that.. I'm exhausted.. OLDMADAM Feb 2015 #333

Gonna keep dodging the "bedrock principles" assertion, huh? Why is so hard to support your own point TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #359

You're right, I'm surprised that some haven't switched to the A Simple Game Feb 2015 #5

There has been considerable mocking of Brian Willams on DU for "lying about being shot at" Fumesucker Feb 2015 #23

Did you catch Rachel Maddow's call-out of that claim by Hillary last night? bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #56

Heh.. No I didn't but it's nice to hear.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author bullwinkle428 Feb 2015 #58

Hillary should get a pass, no. A Simple Game Feb 2015 #80

Many of us don't give a shit about that. obxhead Feb 2015 #6

+1! Thank you. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #8

Agreed. AtomicKitten Feb 2015 #216

It ain't manufactured. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #9

Yeah, it is. That's how it comes across, too. Just so you know... eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #98

To you it comes across that way. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #99

To the majority of Democrats, it does. But yeah, I agree, not to you. eom BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #100

I refuse to argue with you. Enthusiast Feb 2015 #102

What is largely manufactured is the support it seems to me. We have a few ardents TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #275

Well, that argument isn't manufactured. It's democracy in a nutshell, TK. The majority wins and you BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #278

this is pretty funny. KG Feb 2015 #10

All the nitpicking over where her contributors do their banking MannyGoldstein Feb 2015 #11

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #12

Just for clarity: progressives and hardcore liberals are not the base of the Democratic Party. wyldwolf Feb 2015 #17

Then all of you centrists will stop blaming Nader for 2000? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #19

Completely irrelevant wyldwolf Feb 2015 #21

You never disagreed with my OP about how the Democrats should marginalize and ignore liberals.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #24

If you had said pizza is better than tacos wyldwolf Feb 2015 #25

You're talking to yourself.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #28

The perils of DU on a cell phone wyldwolf Feb 2015 #31

Make up your mind. Spewing hatred about the left and then being disappointed when they don't rhett o rick Mar 2015 #363

Ah "spewing." Did you recently learn that word? wyldwolf Mar 2015 #364

As are your ad hominem attacks. rhett o rick Mar 2015 #365

You attack, then complain when you someone reciprocates. wyldwolf Mar 2015 #367

That's a powerful post by William Pitt! I never saw it before, so thank you for reposting it here, BlueCaliDem Feb 2015 #88

I can't believe Jamaal510 Feb 2015 #119

It IS hard to believe. He could have benefitted from reading it before writing some of his 'other' stevenleser Feb 2015 #210

Very well put ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #223

THIS is the Will Pitt I used to admire. The man can think and write insightfully... Hekate Feb 2015 #243

William Rivers Pitt ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #245

The overwrought rhetoric DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #65

Then they're not the Party Base... SidDithers Feb 2015 #68

Sorry you feel that way. In_The_Wind Feb 2015 #82

Venimus, vidimus, et mortuus est Fumesucker Feb 2015 #14

She had many donations controversies in 2008 JonLP24 Feb 2015 #15

"Appearing regularly on networks like Fox News and RT, Steve Leser" Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #26

And yet you defend Greenwald for paid Koch appearances no doubt nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #36

Nope. I don't, thats what you get paid to do. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #37

Yes, you did. And I am not going to forget it. Nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #40

Lol. You still work for Fox news. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #41

No, I don't. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #172

Lol! I don't blame you for denying that. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #244

Lol, Learn what it means when someone is introduced as "a guest" words mean things. stevenleser Feb 2015 #269

Here's another hint for you. I appear on multiple networks. Employees arent allowed to do that. stevenleser Feb 2015 #273

Yes like on such credible networks like RT Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #311

So you are giving up on your claim that I work for a network and moving the goalposts? stevenleser Feb 2015 #319

Not at all. Just an observation of who your various masters are. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #323

Translation: You are making stuff up as you go along. And defending Greenwald for the same stuff you stevenleser Feb 2015 #324

Well, you never had any so it doesn't exactly bother me what you burble. Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #328

LOL, I'm consistent and have my facts right. You arent and don't. It's that simple. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #336

Wait, you don't get paid to go on Fox? nt. druidity33 Feb 2015 #334

No. How many times do I have to explain this. Whatever network I go on I am a guest. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #335

Funny that the people who pile on you zappaman Feb 2015 #338

Yep, including the other poster in this subthread who can't seem to make up his mind whether its stevenleser Feb 2015 #341

Methinks you protest to much Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #339

So is this the hour when you think its bad or good to do Conservative media? nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #340

Working as you do Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #342

I'm entertained by the question of whether you will own up to your hypocrisy. And whether stevenleser Feb 2015 #343

Excellent attempt at deflection, you sir, are Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #344

No deflection. That question is the only reason I'm still responding to you. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #346

No, Your still a Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #355

so you travel, appear on a news program, druidity33 Feb 2015 #357

FYI, Greenwald has also appeared on FOX. DanTex Feb 2015 #62

BOOM./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #64

But that's different ... n/t 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #225

Yep. Oops! LOL! stevenleser Feb 2015 #287

OH NOES! NOT THE TRUTH!!! Major Hogwash Feb 2015 #352

If that was all her detractors had I would support her too. But it's not the speakers fees ... Scuba Feb 2015 #27

+100000000 A Little Weird Feb 2015 #43

"If Hillary is the best our party can do, we need a new party" LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #77

Need a new party? NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #261

Nor is anyone stoppping you from pontificating that the party LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #283

Well, being as I have never "pontificated" ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #290

Well, being as I have never "pontificated" LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #291

Link or slink ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #292

Sorry, I was just laughing uncontrolably that you never pontificated LondonReign2 Feb 2015 #293

Just as I am laughing ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #295

If anyone should know manufactured outrage it's you, Steven Fumesucker Feb 2015 #29

And of course you defended Greenwald for being paid to appear at a Koch conference stevenleser Feb 2015 #38

Ah, you mean the folks who helped fund the DLC Fumesucker Feb 2015 #44

And that did it right there. Autumn Feb 2015 #50

Nice pwnage you got going on there! Rex Feb 2015 #140

I'm not surprised you consider a non-sequitur an "ownage" nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #174

I'm not surprised you consider a telling point a non-sequitur Fumesucker Feb 2015 #267

Most non-sequiturs are points. Points that are not directly related to what is being discussed. stevenleser Feb 2015 #277

Results... Major Nikon Feb 2015 #231

Thanks. Rex Feb 2015 #272

Which has nothing to do with your attack on me. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #173

Ahh, the "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense tkmorris Feb 2015 #46

Nope, it's pointing out hypocrisy. That person can now explain where he "Really" means it. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #175

Well in fairness he is only a pundit. Not like he has any kind of objectivity in his posting. Rex Feb 2015 #222

As opposed to you who is the pillar of absolute objectivity in posts. stevenleser Feb 2015 #279

Doesn't Foxnews need you to go and play softball pundit with them? Rex Feb 2015 #316

Isn't it time for you to defend Greenwald for taking money from the Koch brothers for appearances stevenleser Feb 2015 #321

Why would I defend GG? It is so amusing that you think I support him. Rex Feb 2015 #337

The post in response to this one makes so little sense I don't even understand the point in posting Number23 Feb 2015 #230

The folks who criticize me for that really outed themselves when they defended Greenwald for a paid stevenleser Feb 2015 #270

Well, this thread has certainly shown the light on some of the really nasty and incredibly stupid Number23 Feb 2015 #294

I feel honored in a way. They focus similar hypocrisy and dishonesty on Obama and Hillary. stevenleser Feb 2015 #345

Glad others see it. Dawgs Feb 2015 #49

Many folks see lots of things. Like your group defending Greenwald for the same things. stevenleser Feb 2015 #280

HRC - An Economic Royalist At Heart cantbeserious Feb 2015 #30

She sure have a "Let them eat cake" mentality. BeanMusical Feb 2015 #158

I kind of see it that way too steven madokie Feb 2015 #33

I agree the outrage is pathetic Kalidurga Feb 2015 #34

There is a sea of difference between the Clinton Foundation and the Koch brothers and their PACs. Vinca Feb 2015 #35

since when has The Family helped poor people around the world? MisterP Feb 2015 #349

That's all her detractors got? Broward Feb 2015 #42

That's some funny stuff right there! 99Forever Feb 2015 #45

Did she vote for the Iraq war because she thought it would help in 2008 or not? Dawgs Feb 2015 #47

K&R. And so is the manufactured outrage at Steven Leser for appearing on FOX. DanTex Feb 2015 #48

If Fox didn't think Steven was helping catapult propaganda he wouldn't be there Fumesucker Feb 2015 #51

Oops. I would be surprised, if expected a shred of intellectual consistency from you... DanTex Feb 2015 #54

Steven is running for President? Fumesucker Feb 2015 #55

LOL. Always an excuse. DanTex Feb 2015 #59

lol Bobbie Jo Feb 2015 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author BeanMusical Feb 2015 #160

How do you feel about Glen Greenwald? DanTex Feb 2015 #61

I noticed you've decided to run and hide. Good decision on your part. DanTex Feb 2015 #63

Nine minutes.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #67

39-24=15, but who's counting... DanTex Feb 2015 #71

Steven remembered a comment of mine about Greenwald Fumesucker Feb 2015 #72

Greenwald also appeared on FOX. Doesn't seem to bother you. DanTex Feb 2015 #73

Of course you don't understand what Koch funding of the DLC implies.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #76

For Steven Leser bashing? No, I sure don't. DanTex Feb 2015 #79

Steven's the one who brought up Koch in the first place.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #149

Good point. Glen Greenwald has both been on FOX, and appeared at a Koch DanTex Feb 2015 #150

I've interacted with both Greenwald and Leser at various times... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #156

OK, so it's got nothing to do with appearing on FOX. That's just a cheap-shot. DanTex Feb 2015 #157

Leser belittles anyone even slightly to his left and is an asshole about it Fumesucker Feb 2015 #159

A quick glance at your posts in this thread will tell anyone why I am snarky towards you. stevenleser Feb 2015 #176

I've interacted with both Greenwald and you at various times... Fumesucker Feb 2015 #179

No, he's not. And there is evidence all over the web as to how Greenwald reacts when challenged. stevenleser Feb 2015 #180

Manufactured outrage AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #224

No, it's not. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #229

Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! Greenwald! AgingAmerican Feb 2015 #246

Yep, he's the evidence of your hypocrisy. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #281

I've interacted directly with Greenwald on the comments at Salon Fumesucker Feb 2015 #305

Links? And if and when you can provide them, I'll provide dozens that tell the opposite story. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #307

I finally found a link for you Steven Fumesucker Feb 2015 #317

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Feb 2015 #312

Your check is in the mail! Rex Feb 2015 #142

The man indeed has nerves of steel for doing so. He's always embattled by RWNJs. freshwest Feb 2015 #162

I think the constant "HRC is the anointed one" is pathetic. hobbit709 Feb 2015 #52

I don't care about the speaking fees. I care about things like the TPP and fracking. djean111 Feb 2015 #53

...^ that 840high Feb 2015 #93

You are right on regarding straw man arguments. The fact is still_one Feb 2015 #57

Hell Yes DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #70

I am sooo stealing that gif! freshwest Feb 2015 #240

And how many of those things would have passed F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #104

That thread where the op brought it up is alive and well still_one Feb 2015 #130

First off F4lconF16 Feb 2015 #146

It wasn't just the left still_one Feb 2015 #148

Yes, I remember all of those, too. freshwest Feb 2015 #164

You see exactly what I see. It's one ridiculous attack after another. And the response to me from stevenleser Feb 2015 #198

Did I miss something, Steve? Are the primaries already over? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #232

Maybe I missed it, but that wasn't the point of the OP still_one Feb 2015 #252

maybe. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #254

absolutely still_one Feb 2015 #251

The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary... SidDithers Feb 2015 #66

How do you tell the difference between the two? They use the same talking points. greatlaurel Feb 2015 #90

''Fringe Left'' is a loaded term. Octafish Feb 2015 #115

Well in fairness Rex Feb 2015 #144

Thanks for noticing that, Rex. Octafish Feb 2015 #163

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #235

Hillary Clinton bowed down to George Bush and not only supported the worst decision in a century, rhett o rick Feb 2015 #257

At least this guy loves her. L0oniX Feb 2015 #313

This guy, too. Octafish Feb 2015 #322

k&r... spanone Feb 2015 #69

If she ends up being our candidate, I will support her. B Calm Feb 2015 #74

me, too. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #233

You aren't this stupid. jeff47 Feb 2015 #78

Really? DanTex Feb 2015 #83

Yes, really. jeff47 Feb 2015 #84

"One thread". LOL. DanTex Feb 2015 #86

You listed one. Feel free to list others. jeff47 Feb 2015 #89

OK. Here are the first few google hits. DanTex Feb 2015 #91

Really? Thread #1 is about her DONATING HER FEE. jeff47 Feb 2015 #94

OK, then the other four, and the rest of the google dump. DanTex Feb 2015 #96

Gore was not entitled to liberal votes. Neither is Clinton jeff47 Feb 2015 #101

It's kinda sad that the biggest contribution the far left has made to the direction of the DanTex Feb 2015 #107

Again, you are blaming the wrong people. jeff47 Feb 2015 #109

No I'm not. I'm blaming the people who are working against the party and not for it. DanTex Feb 2015 #118

And again, you are failing to produce the list I asked for. jeff47 Feb 2015 #126

OK, so you don't think minimum wage, gay rights, abortion, social security, unions, progressive DanTex Feb 2015 #141

Do you think volume of text is a good cover for not reading responses? jeff47 Feb 2015 #196

That huge volume of text you just posted certainly wasn't, no. DanTex Feb 2015 #203

I seriously admire your tenacity. Puglover Feb 2015 #271

Huh. 'biggest contribution the far left'...'last two decades is siphoning votes away from Gore'? Octafish Feb 2015 #117

Well, what else have they done. Name one major impact the far left has had, DanTex Feb 2015 #121

Helped bring about the end of the Vietnam war.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #169

I'll grant you that. The far left had a big role in ending the Vietnam war. DanTex Feb 2015 #170

That success is why they were told to sit down and shut up.. Fumesucker Feb 2015 #171

OK, but my question is still: "what have you done for me lately?" DanTex Feb 2015 #177

Big money rules and big money loathes the left, loves the right Fumesucker Feb 2015 #183

I agree with that. Just disagree that the solution is sabotaging the Democrats. DanTex Feb 2015 #184

We tried to stop Dubya and Hillary but it didn't work, we didn't get any publicity Fumesucker Feb 2015 #190

No, you didn't try to stop W. You tried to stop Gore. And it worked. And we all got W. DanTex Feb 2015 #193

I don't live in Florida and I didn't vote for Nader Fumesucker Feb 2015 #207

Not you personally. The far left generally. DanTex Feb 2015 #211

Once again, millions of people protested the war Fumesucker Feb 2015 #215

Yeah, and the war happened anyway. Yay Naderites! DanTex Feb 2015 #219

You also can't make complaints about splitting the vote or comparisons to Nader until she's the nom. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #256

The far left Mnpaul Feb 2015 #327

Your post was alerted on, and here are the results: CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2015 #87

FYI, I was not the alerter nor would I have voted to hide, as much as I disagree. stevenleser Feb 2015 #181

You're right, I am not stupid. And Stillone's post #57 here shows more of what I am talking about. stevenleser Feb 2015 #182

I am all for a healthy debate here but sometimes like ladt night things just get ridiculous. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #81

Then stop supporting corporate policy, enabling government capture, warmongering, TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #112

You are telling me I support those things? hrmjustin Feb 2015 #114

Yes, you buy in on the policies of the politicians you support particularly as the pattern grows. TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #132

So the majority of Democrats are third way? oh please! hrmjustin Feb 2015 #134

Who knows the exact percentage breakdown but yes it is significant, particularly in leadership and TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #192

I meant the people of our party. In every poll they want her as president. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #195

Most of the people in the party are not doing much beyond blending generic Democrats TheKentuckian Feb 2015 #218

And of course, someone replies to you illustrating your point! stevenleser Feb 2015 #178

It is so predictable at this point. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #197

Are you concerned that the Unions might not support her? Savannahmann Feb 2015 #92

They are grasping at straws. William769 Feb 2015 #103

Agreed and it reflects poorly on them. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #106

I guess the new talking point is to try to spin the IWR vote as some sort of brilliant politics. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #234

And for your crowd I know you all hate this little fact William769 Feb 2015 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #241

oh and by the way... "they went on the information given"- that, sir, is a fucking CROCK. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #262

So your previous response was just blowing smoke. William769 Feb 2015 #263

No, nice try. So why don't you actually respond to what I've said, Bill? Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #264

Brilliant politics? No. But the bad thing some folks make it out to be? Also, no. stevenleser Feb 2015 #288

yeah, it was a bad thing. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #297

No, it wasn't. And my article makes it clear why. If you dont agree, you have to explain certain stevenleser Feb 2015 #298

Everyone knew that the IWR wasn't about "pressure". The invasion was a foregone conclusion. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #302

That's exactly the revisionist history I'm talking about. No everyone didn't. And that includes stevenleser Feb 2015 #304

Oh come on. Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #308

See my #318 above. And no... stevenleser Feb 2015 #320

Except it's called the "Iraq War Resolution", not the "Iraq Pressure Resolution". Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #331

And water which puts out fire is made of two flammable gasses. But that doesn't change what it is. stevenleser Feb 2015 #347

No it does not. On that we agree! Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #348

No, they didnt, as debate over the wording showed. Moreover, and you always run into this problem... stevenleser Feb 2015 #350

If the intent, scope and effect of the UN resolution and US law were identical or nearly so, Warren DeMontague Feb 2015 #356

Manufactured News is a MURDOCH Speciality Octafish Feb 2015 #110

There's a lot more baggage on her train than merely cuddling up to bankers. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #111

For another thing, she sides with Warmongers. Octafish Feb 2015 #113

As I said, a LOT more baggage. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2015 #123

and cluster bombs Mnpaul Feb 2015 #329

I like Hillary. yortsed snacilbuper Feb 2015 #116

So do I. But I will not vote for her. closeupready Feb 2015 #139

some of it is legitimate Enrique Feb 2015 #124

I'm dubious zipplewrath Feb 2015 #125

I see lots of ad hominem attacks on Steve... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #127

Insults are all that some have here. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #129

It has to be hard to be on tv discussing politics./NT DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #133

He does a great job. hrmjustin Feb 2015 #135

I agree. Steve is a terrific pundit for Democrats and the Democratic agenda. closeupready Feb 2015 #138

I have seen him a few times. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2015 #145

+ a million. I get the feeling that the ones doing the attacking want the rest of us to think it's Number23 Feb 2015 #237

The electronic diarrhea that constitutes this thread BubbaFett Feb 2015 #131

It really has become clear. NCTraveler Feb 2015 #136

Sorry amigo, I disagree that liberals here who oppose Hillary are making it all up. closeupready Feb 2015 #137

So is it liberals or progressives that oppose Hillary Clinton? Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #201

I can speak only for myself, but as a liberal, I object to her and what her husband did closeupready Feb 2015 #206

I am not opposed to her, but I don't support her. Agnosticsherbet Feb 2015 #217

This is a real photo shopped picture L0oniX Feb 2015 #314

I'm curious about what you hope to accomplish with this OP. DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2015 #147

+1 BeanMusical Feb 2015 #166

Concern trolling, that is all poor pundit fella is left with. Rex Feb 2015 #354

For me...I agree fredamae Feb 2015 #154

Someone else posted this gem of a question: randome Feb 2015 #165

That's going to hurt ... later. JoePhilly Feb 2015 #189

Why are so many of the pro-Hillary posts so dishonest? Marr Feb 2015 #167

You need to get out more. Orsino Feb 2015 #185

Nope. See Stillone's #57 above. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #186

Nope. That doesn't address the broad brush of the OP. Orsino Feb 2015 #191

Yep, it does. nt stevenleser Feb 2015 #199

Oh. Was your OP a general complaint? Orsino Feb 2015 #202

No ... No ... No ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2015 #188

I find your manufactured outrage about the manufactured outrage TheSarcastinator Feb 2015 #204

As long as you acknowledge what is being written about Hillary here is manufactured outrage... stevenleser Feb 2015 #212

We're still more than a year and a half out ... NanceGreggs Feb 2015 #205

I've been thinking about that as well. How much new nonsense will be invented between now and then stevenleser Feb 2015 #214

So your logic is to just accept Hillary and do not say bad things about her? Really? nt Logical Feb 2015 #249

Interesting use of the word, "legitimate" Android3.14 Feb 2015 #208

Nope, not an interesting use of the word. Pretty straightforward re: speaking fees and the stevenleser Feb 2015 #209

LOL, so losing the 30 point lead to Obama does not worry you? nt Logical Feb 2015 #248

My disgust is not manufactured daredtowork Feb 2015 #250

More "Manufactured Outrage" IBM Offers To Move Laid Off Workers To India Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #255

So because in 2005 Hillary said, betsuni Feb 2015 #260

She is one of the architects of TPP Katashi_itto Feb 2015 #265

The Clintons have made $100,000,000 in the last 15 years. They are on close rhett o rick Feb 2015 #259

You must not of read the OP saying she was the RIGHT candidate nolabels Feb 2015 #266

I put Leser at the top of the "tone deaf" pile Fumesucker Feb 2015 #268

Good point. We don't want the Right Democratic candidate but the Left Democratic candidate. nm rhett o rick Feb 2015 #276

And more evidence of my point, the intentional misrepresentation of this poll stevenleser Feb 2015 #284

That poster will be congratulated in other threads. "Holding her feet to the fire" and all. great white snark Feb 2015 #300

Thank you. And the week isn't over! I am sure we will see more manufactured BS before its over. stevenleser Feb 2015 #325

What's 'pathetic' is a political party that can't come up with a better candidate than Hillary Dems to Win Feb 2015 #301

hahahahaha Holy shite! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Feb 2015 #315

She voted for the authorization to go into Iraq. That is why she lost my vote. nt kelly1mm Feb 2015 #326

But..but...she single handedly started the Iraq War. Didn't you read Karl Rove's talking point? McCamy Taylor Feb 2015 #332

Which of her specific stances do you like? JDPriestly Feb 2015 #351

50 Recs, thanks so much to all who recced! nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #361

I don't know how many people are manufacturing outrage. LWolf Mar 2015 #366

Is this what you're referring to? cui bono Oct 2015 #368

Nope, this... stevenleser Oct 2015 #369