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druidity33

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346. I'm acting out of anger not fear

Fri Mar 6, 2015, 11:13 PM

Mar 2015

I have absolutely no desire to give any of my money to the machinations of Monsanto, Sygenta, and other community destroying world seed bank manipulating corporations out there. The same reason i don't buy Coca-Cola products... or any other company i take issue with. I have that right as a consumer. Whether or not you think my reasons for doing so are valid or not.

The arguments you are making here are disingenuous and a disservice to this community on DU. Scolding us for being "scared" and "anti-science" in the manner that you have on this thread borders on bullying. Why so heavy handed? Because we want to have a CHOICE in whether we consume this stuff?

We're not fucking anti-vaxxers, we're fucking educated people who would rather work with the precautionary principle than offer ourselves as guinea pigs to a multi-national corporate agenda.

I've got an idea. When labeling passes, why don't you eat ONLY GMO products for a year and then tell us how that was.

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Dr Jane Goodall: supporters of GM food deluded & ‘anti-science’ (backs new anti-GM book) [View all] JohnyCanuck Mar 2015 OP

We need labeling either telling us a product upaloopa Mar 2015 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author Trillo Mar 2015 #4

A "contains GMO" label is as meaningful as a "Contains DNA" label. jeff47 Mar 2015 #7

I have a brain I don't need you to think for me upaloopa Mar 2015 #17

Well done, upaloopa! hedda_foil Mar 2015 #25

I'm not. I'm pointing out you need more information to make a rational decision. jeff47 Mar 2015 #27

I don't understand DUers who feel they upaloopa Mar 2015 #39

I'm not. Again, to make a decision you need more information. jeff47 Mar 2015 #46

I try to eat as much raw food as I can. upaloopa Mar 2015 #55

Nothing we eat is natural. jeff47 Mar 2015 #92

I use to live in the Joaquin Valley. I've seen them upaloopa Mar 2015 #146

Err, it's the San Joaquin Valley, unless there's another one I don't know about. LeftyMom Mar 2015 #183

Yes I left off the San and I said nothing about my being a farmer upaloopa Mar 2015 #270

Not exactly true. bvar22 Mar 2015 #166

MMMmmmmmm.... Dorian Gray Mar 2015 #246

And I can select tomatoes that have more salmon traits. jeff47 Mar 2015 #259

The Tomato druidity33 Mar 2015 #244

A gene coming from an octopus or spider isn't relevant. You're looking for what the gene does jeff47 Mar 2015 #262

that's the epitome of obfuscation right there... druidity33 Mar 2015 #296

So fiction-based ideology is what matters to you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #325

Science will back me up... druidity33 Mar 2015 #331

Science doesn't back up baseless faith, ever. HuckleB Mar 2015 #332

If this wasn't such a serious topic druidity33 Mar 2015 #339

It is a serious topic, and the science is against your stance on the topic. HuckleB Mar 2015 #341

I am going to hurt people? wtf? druidity33 Mar 2015 #352

I never threaten anyone. Cut the crap. HuckleB Mar 2015 #353

i'll tell you right now... druidity33 Mar 2015 #359

So you have nothing to say. HuckleB Mar 2015 #361

raw vs. cooked doesn't affect the GMO content of food CreekDog Mar 2015 #137

You like GMO eat them leave others to make upaloopa Mar 2015 #142

what am I supposed to do with that? CreekDog Mar 2015 #143

No one's suggesting they can't add ADDITIONAL information -- just that there should be a MINIMUM pnwmom Mar 2015 #80

And what would you base that decision on? jeff47 Mar 2015 #100

It should be up to the food producer how much additional information they wanted to include pnwmom Mar 2015 #136

Just because you don't want the information doesn't mean others don't. Just because you ND-Dem Mar 2015 #173

Just because fear mongerers have scared doesn't mean you should be scared. HuckleB Mar 2015 #179

i'm not scared. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #236

Then what is your excuse for ignoring the science on GMOs? HuckleB Mar 2015 #266

You haven't presented any science. In fact, I'm pretty convinced you don't even know what it ND-Dem Mar 2015 #349

Well, it's easy to convince you that GMOs are evil. HuckleB Mar 2015 #350

Exactly, labeling. I would not purchase A-D CentralMass Mar 2015 #200

Isn't that what you're doing? HuckleB Mar 2015 #48

I don't understand Duers that want a meaningless convuluted MattBaggins Mar 2015 #54

Neither you nor I know what the label, if it ever upaloopa Mar 2015 #78

July 1, 2016, just over a year from now labeling begins in Vermont GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #101

And I don't understand why any DUer would object to the labeling that would help people pnwmom Mar 2015 #82

You're not making up your own mind. jeff47 Mar 2015 #103

Yeah, right. You can try and piggy-back the popularity of vaccines onto GMO's all you want. pnwmom Mar 2015 #133

You can keep repeating your mantra, all you want. HuckleB Mar 2015 #149

You're right. It's true, and repeating it doesn't affect the truth. pnwmom Mar 2015 #155

You once pretended to care about science and evidence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #156

You, on the other hand, have been completely transparent. pnwmom Mar 2015 #160

I'm honest. I acknowledge reality. I accept the evidence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #182

'damage to real people' like what? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #235

Pushing anti-vaccine tropes leads to people not getting vaccinated. HuckleB Mar 2015 #271

and you pushed a clip by a far right winger associated with the kochs and the fraser institute. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #237

And thus you admit that you can't debunk the piece. HuckleB Mar 2015 #272

Fear just may be a good thing when it comes to GMOs Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #167

No one is forcing anyone to eat anything. HuckleB Mar 2015 #189

of course people are forcing others to eat things. when people don't know if the food supply ND-Dem Mar 2015 #232

How? I guess that people are being forced to eat mutagenic food too! HuckleB Mar 2015 #326

Yes; when food is made or processed via techniques and processes, or with ingredients that ND-Dem Mar 2015 #344

So, all you have to offer is forced propaganda, based on fear mongering fictions? HuckleB Mar 2015 #345

Séralini was shot down by lots of folks Major Nikon Mar 2015 #218

The EU has labeling. All those europeans must be acting out of fear too. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #174

Show us the evidence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #210

The evidence that the EU labels GMOs? ND-Dem Mar 2015 #233

The evidence that there is a science-based reason for labeling them. HuckleB Mar 2015 #267

This guy disagrees: bvar22 Mar 2015 #289

He's a scientist now? HuckleB Mar 2015 #290

They are. jeff47 Mar 2015 #265

I'm acting out of anger not fear druidity33 Mar 2015 #346

They are acting out of fear their intellectual position may be incorrect or mmonk Mar 2015 #119

So you acknowledge that fear works. HuckleB Mar 2015 #122

Why? there are a lot of shills out there, and they're paid well. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #175

What? HuckleB Mar 2015 #178

Irrelevant to what I said. BTW, I have a science degree. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #234

Your degree has no bearing on the matter. HuckleB Mar 2015 #268

Well, because, you know "organic" is so cool! HuckleB Mar 2015 #86

Really? That's a new one to me. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #28

He is finally admitting that different GMO foods "have diferent problems" GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #34

Is he an expert on all GMO food? Sounds like a science denier. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #36

What science is "he" denying? HuckleB Mar 2015 #59

The science of logic and safety. EOM Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #242

So you got nothing at all. HuckleB Mar 2015 #372

If I don't have anything then you don't either. Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #384

like amateur psychoanalyst who tells 93% of us "Since you don't believe as I do, you are crazy" GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #121

You not understanding there are different GMOs is not a terribly useful metric. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2015 #50

You haven't shown ANY useful metric! All GMO is bad! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #241

Then why would you ever oppose it? Let other smart people, like Dr. Goodall, make up their own minds pnwmom Mar 2015 #76

Because giving in to fear is bad. jeff47 Mar 2015 #105

So you are pro-labeling? GreatGazoo Mar 2015 #130

If i don't want to use a plastic cup druidity33 Mar 2015 #335

It's very meaningful to millions of people who do not wish to eat genetically altered 'food'. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #383

This guy agrees with you, bvar22 Mar 2015 #162

I like Jane, but... I think people on both sides need to quit throwing around Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2

When someone describes the technology as ‘Frankenstein Food’... Major Nikon Mar 2015 #68

You maybe can. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #70

She's responding to all the pro-GMO people who accuse people like her of being anti-science. pnwmom Mar 2015 #87

I'm fine with her saying she isn't anti-science. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #90

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 2015 #3

More about the book ‘Altered Genes, Twisted Truth’ JohnyCanuck Mar 2015 #5

BS. HuckleB Mar 2015 #292

Ok, if you'd like to make this about science, where's her paper? jeff47 Mar 2015 #6

30 countries have now banned Monsanto GMOs with more planning to do so. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #11

You're absolutely correct that 160 countries haven't banned GMOs Orrex Mar 2015 #13

You're absolutely correct. Not that long ago 190 countries had not yet realized how sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #18

When we by food of any kind, even our dogs, we check to make sure Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2015 #35

Yes, we don't buy commercial dog food anymore. Our puppy as it turned out, was allergic sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #56

Boom! And the checklist continues! Orrex Mar 2015 #107

Am I a public figure? No, but if I were, that standard would be okay with me. In fact I would sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #127

That logic would apply if we were asking them transcribe their spouses' pillow talk onto the GoneFishin Mar 2015 #165

Seriously? Orrex Mar 2015 #206

That's logical gibberish couched in grammatically well constructed sentences. GoneFishin Mar 2015 #250

"if they were to label their products, they would go out of business" = precisely. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #176

And that's why you need to demonstrate a compelling reason Orrex Mar 2015 #260

Also important to remember that at least 64 countries require labeling nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #31

If rice is included in the ingredients, then let us disclose that. Orrex Mar 2015 #111

we already do. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #177

Really? Because I'm looking at the label right now. Orrex Mar 2015 #205

"If rice is included in the ingredients, then let us disclose that." ND-Dem Mar 2015 #231

Well, yeah. That was kind of my point. Orrex Mar 2015 #247

"there's no compelling reason" = except most americans want it. the EU already does it,and ND-Dem Mar 2015 #249

Consensus simply isn't a compelling reason Orrex Mar 2015 #257

there was "no compelling reason" for previous labeling in the eyes of the industry either. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #258

That's not an argument. it's a tantrum. Orrex Mar 2015 #261

let me know when you have something other than personal attacks to make your points with ND-Dem Mar 2015 #263

Oh please Orrex Mar 2015 #269

What is "natural flavoring" that I see on packages of food? uppityperson Mar 2015 #211

(3) The term natural flavor or natural flavoring means the essential oil, oleoresin, essence or ND-Dem Mar 2015 #230

In other words some part of some animal, plant or processed part of them? uppityperson Mar 2015 #280

Wow. Orrex Mar 2015 #283

i think you don't know much about how flavorings are made. the language is very specific. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #307

Let me pull a box out of my pantry. "natural flavors" is listed. So what is it specifically beyond uppityperson Mar 2015 #330

it would help if you listed a brand and exact name, but you're eating some plant flavor extract, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #337

And what plant would it be? You know, allergies and just because I want to know exactly uppityperson Mar 2015 #338

fda lists the allowable plants. linked at the same place the definition is. the allowable ND-Dem Mar 2015 #340

So they won't tell me what it is. Thanks for your help in trying to figure out uppityperson Mar 2015 #354

Speak for yourself. If you don't care what you feed yourself and your family, that's your business. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #365

Classic red herring and a false dichotomy as well Orrex Mar 2015 #366

Typical response from someone who wants to decide for the rest of us, what rights we have sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #367

I'm not deciding for anyone, so your accusation is bullshit. Orrex Mar 2015 #368

But GMOs are evil because anti-GMO groups say so! HuckleB Mar 2015 #43

"Anyone that says, 'Oh, we know that this is perfectly safe,' I say is either unbelievably stupid, ND-Dem Mar 2015 #193

Why can't Suzuki support his claims with a consensus of science? HuckleB Mar 2015 #194

that's a post by someone called "orac," not a "consensus of science." and that's a stupid phrase ND-Dem Mar 2015 #202

In other words, you refuse the reality of the science of the matter. HuckleB Mar 2015 #208

1. i don't know who "orac" id or if he's the same person as the "skeptical raptor". 2. The "SR's" ND-Dem Mar 2015 #225

The content is what matters, but you focus on everything but the content. HuckleB Mar 2015 #301

if the content is what matters, what makes yours better than mine if all are written by ND-Dem Mar 2015 #303

The content in question wasn't written by anyone. HuckleB Mar 2015 #308

Here's what happens when Suzuki faces people doing actual science in this area. HuckleB Mar 2015 #195

that clip is laughable and it's not suzuki i'm laughing at. The person who spoke most often was: ND-Dem Mar 2015 #226

So you didn't bother to watch it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #228

I watched it all the way through. I guess you didn't bother to ready my comments all the way ND-Dem Mar 2015 #229

In other words, the scientists who questioned Suzuki showed that Suzuki doesn't know anything. HuckleB Mar 2015 #293

yeah, loved the right-wing commercial too. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #305

Thanks for digging yourself even deeper. HuckleB Mar 2015 #306

Like that right wing lobbyist has anything to do with science. He's a joke, and all your links ND-Dem Mar 2015 #311

Like that guy had anything to do with the scientists who were discussing things. HuckleB Mar 2015 #312

He talked more than either of them. He excerpted and edited the clips he wanted and laid them out ND-Dem Mar 2015 #318

So you don't care about honesty. HuckleB Mar 2015 #327

I didn't quote any Koch-funded organizations, nor any right-wing lobbyists. It's you who keeps ND-Dem Mar 2015 #322

You've never bothered to present any evidence. HuckleB Mar 2015 #328

My evidence is: I, like 80-90% of the population, want labeling. I don't have to prove anything. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #342

So your evidence is a logical fallacy. HuckleB Mar 2015 #343

I think you don't know what a logical fallacy is. I want labeling. As does most of the population. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #347

So label it voluntarily. HuckleB Mar 2015 #351

80-90% of the population has the same "baseless desire": hardly the "epitome of selfishness"; ND-Dem Mar 2015 #362

Not true. HuckleB Mar 2015 #373

If you ask people if they want gmos labeled, they say yes. GMOs aren't on most ordinary ND-Dem Mar 2015 #375

Labels are not about democracy. They need science-based justifications. HuckleB Mar 2015 #377

Ironic, considering it comes from the person repeatedly posting right-wing PROPAGANDA. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #378

So honesty is not your thing. HuckleB Mar 2015 #380

Why are they afraid to label their products? If THEY are even afraid to tell us what they are sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #369

Your comparison makes no sense. HuckleB Mar 2015 #370

Label the food. The people have a right to know what it is they are hiding. Period! sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #371

No one is hiding anything. HuckleB Mar 2015 #374

I want a label on ALL food, I want to know what food is genetically altered and what is not. sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #381

A few activists demanded labels for no good reason. HuckleB Mar 2015 #382

Where are these studies that you claim exist? HuckleB Mar 2015 #42

Ireland, Austria, Hungary, Greece, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Japan, New Zealand, Germany, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #117

So the studies don't exist. HuckleB Mar 2015 #118

The studies do exist, lots of them. I mentioned one linking GMOs to cancer, another that links Rat sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #124

So you can't link to these studies? HuckleB Mar 2015 #126

Am I on your payroll or something? Google is a marvelous tool for those who actually want sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #132

So you can't support your claims, and you can't show any studies. HuckleB Mar 2015 #134

The study linking GM to tumors was dismissed the world over as quackery Major Nikon Mar 2015 #224

Many of thoseThird World countries would profit healthwise from golden rice uppityperson Mar 2015 #213

Yeah, africa is vitamin deficient because of a lack of genetically modified rice. Such bullshit. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #227

You seem to have cause and treatment backwards. Golden rice can help treat vitamin deficiency. uppityperson Mar 2015 #282

I know all about golden rice, and have for years. it's bullshit. If anyone wanted to heal ND-Dem Mar 2015 #364

I don't think she publishes anymore. DanTex Mar 2015 #16

Actually the opposite. jeff47 Mar 2015 #40

I'd be satisfied if GM foods were subjected to the same types of tests as pharmaceuticals PaulaFarrell Mar 2015 #58

Except there are plenty of people who claim those tests are not enough. jeff47 Mar 2015 #61

I am speaking for myself PaulaFarrell Mar 2015 #215

Tests actually happen. You would like more. jeff47 Mar 2015 #264

What about plants from other seed development technologies, like mutagenesis? HuckleB Mar 2015 #81

Here's my benchmark laundry_queen Mar 2015 #196

So, you think everything should be labeled, for whatever reason you can conceive. HuckleB Mar 2015 #220

I don't know what mutagenesis is PaulaFarrell Mar 2015 #216

So you admit that you know nothing about the topic at hand. HuckleB Mar 2015 #222

So why just test GM foods? Major Nikon Mar 2015 #106

Who said that? PaulaFarrell Mar 2015 #217

You specifically singled out GM products Major Nikon Mar 2015 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author brentspeak Mar 2015 #203

"What's enough?" is exactly the question. Apparently Jane Goodall doesn't think that what's been DanTex Mar 2015 #110

Why is she right? HuckleB Mar 2015 #153

I have nothing. I'm just asking. It's a valid question, how much testing is enough? DanTex Mar 2015 #161

Do you realize that the "concerns" about GMOs are multiplied if one discusses mutagenesis? HuckleB Mar 2015 #180

Fine. So let's be concerned about both. That doesn't begin to answer my previous question. DanTex Mar 2015 #184

I'm not concerned about either, or I wouldn't eat at all! HuckleB Mar 2015 #185

Well, until we get an answer to my question from two posts ago, we can't dismiss any concerns as DanTex Mar 2015 #186

So, you're saying that thousands of studies are not enough on GMOs? HuckleB Mar 2015 #187

I'm asking how much is enough? What is the standard for concluding that something is safe? DanTex Mar 2015 #190

Well, scientists are saying we've studied GMOs plenty. HuckleB Mar 2015 #192

And I'm asking why they think that (apparently not all of them do). DanTex Mar 2015 #198

Why label one seed development technology but not all of them? HuckleB Mar 2015 #212

"Why make food cost more for those who don't have enough to eat?" = bullshit. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #240

Yes, it will. It's time the anti-GMO crowd admits reality. HuckleB Mar 2015 #273

How much more expensive? Why aren't you answering my questions? DanTex Mar 2015 #245

I've looked at it for years. HuckleB Mar 2015 #274

The risk being higher for other types of seed development is irrelevant. DanTex Mar 2015 #284

No, it's not. HuckleB Mar 2015 #285

I don't care about the movement. I care about the truth. DanTex Mar 2015 #287

If you care about the truth, then why do want worthless labels? HuckleB Mar 2015 #288

Because they might not be worthless. And because the costs are very low. DanTex Mar 2015 #297

They are worthless, and the costs are not low. HuckleB Mar 2015 #298

Neither of those are rationally defensible claims. DanTex Mar 2015 #299

That's really, quite frankly, hilarious. HuckleB Mar 2015 #300

Here's the thing. You're missing an opportunity. DanTex Mar 2015 #304

The points you bring up are not valid. HuckleB Mar 2015 #309

Telling me I'd be laughed at is not a substitute for an intelligent response. DanTex Mar 2015 #310

Pretending that you wouldn't be laughed at is not a substitute for an intelligent response either. HuckleB Mar 2015 #313

Well, I guess we're done. I was hoping you would address some of the issues I brought up. DanTex Mar 2015 #314

I've addressed everything, while you have addressed nothing. HuckleB Mar 2015 #315

Meh. Maybe next time we'll have a scientific discussion. I'd be interested in that. Too bad. DanTex Mar 2015 #319

Show, don't tell. HuckleB Mar 2015 #329

a link to that 87% stat would be nice. nt. druidity33 Mar 2015 #355

You've been given it repeatedly. HuckleB Mar 2015 #356

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Mar 2015 #168

So, four, overlapping and cherry picked bits, overcome 2000 other studies? HuckleB Mar 2015 #357

And this is why I think GM foods should be labeled LittleBlue Mar 2015 #8

Yes, they should be labeled. It's outrageous that a corporation gets to force food on the public sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #22

Most scientists disagree with her. HuckleB Mar 2015 #44

And that's fine LittleBlue Mar 2015 #47

Did someone take that ability away from you? HuckleB Mar 2015 #49

Labeling would help to inform consumers LittleBlue Mar 2015 #51

How would labeling one seed development technology help inform consumers? HuckleB Mar 2015 #53

Aaaand there it is LittleBlue Mar 2015 #62

That's disingenuous at best. HuckleB Mar 2015 #64

Nope LittleBlue Mar 2015 #73

You really need to actually read my posts. HuckleB Mar 2015 #75

I am not interested in debating what you're talking about LittleBlue Mar 2015 #88

And, thus, you have no point at all. HuckleB Mar 2015 #93

No, my point is that I'm tired of our relatively small state being flooded by money LittleBlue Mar 2015 #97

Actually, you should be tired of fear mongerers pushing BS initiatives to promote their business. HuckleB Mar 2015 #98

I'm the same way with preemptive war, LittleBlue Mar 2015 #104

Those are not comparable. HuckleB Mar 2015 #113

no, it's you who are disallowing choice. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #255

Not in the real world. HuckleB Mar 2015 #275

yes. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #254

Prove it. HuckleB Mar 2015 #302

yeah that 87% stat is BULLSHIT druidity33 Mar 2015 #358

In other words, you don't like reality. HuckleB Mar 2015 #360

Umm perhaps Jane Goodall isn't as great a scientist as you think MattBaggins Mar 2015 #57

It doesn't matter LittleBlue Mar 2015 #63

Why can't you tell us what the labels would tell you? HuckleB Mar 2015 #65

See post 69 LittleBlue Mar 2015 #72

Is that why you ignore all other seed development technologies? HuckleB Mar 2015 #77

Link LittleBlue Mar 2015 #84

In other words, you continue to admit that you haven't read my posts. HuckleB Mar 2015 #89

Apologies, I just don't have an interest in discussing that LittleBlue Mar 2015 #94

And now everyone knows that feigning that you are ok with GMOs, as you did here and elsewhere is BS. HuckleB Mar 2015 #96

I'm absolutely fine with GMOs LittleBlue Mar 2015 #99

Hogwash. HuckleB Mar 2015 #102

Do you know who stands to profit from labeling? Organic food manufacturers and food coops/health uppityperson Mar 2015 #214

there's a fda definition which i already posted for you. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #256

This message was self-deleted by its author uppityperson Mar 2015 #279

You mean this one that tells me nothing beyond made of plant and/or animals or processed them? uppityperson Mar 2015 #281

No the labels would be meaningless and a nightmare. MattBaggins Mar 2015 #66

And once again, we're done LittleBlue Mar 2015 #69

So, you admit that you want one seed development technology labeled. HuckleB Mar 2015 #74

You can read all about it here LittleBlue Mar 2015 #79

Thank you for admitting that you have not read the content of any of my posts. HuckleB Mar 2015 #83

How should I politely say that I'm not interested? LittleBlue Mar 2015 #91

You clearly were not honest from the get go. HuckleB Mar 2015 #95

Once you turn off an RNA structure somewhere, you have effectively altered it's outcome in some way. mmonk Mar 2015 #9

Oh boy, here we go... Sancho Mar 2015 #10

I tend to forget that she's an expert in genetic engineering and food science. Orrex Mar 2015 #12

Genetic enngineering has a certain risk factor just as interjecting a species mmonk Mar 2015 #14

If only we had thousands of studies confirming the safety of GMOs Orrex Mar 2015 #15

I don't think those pushing rapid expansion of GMO's are too interested in that approach. mmonk Mar 2015 #20

Yeah. If only we had thousands of studies confirming the safety of GMOs Orrex Mar 2015 #23

Many issues take time to reveal any damage. mmonk Mar 2015 #29

Stop and evaluate indefinitely is a lousy argument Treant Mar 2015 #38

From those thousands you would think you could find one. immoderate Mar 2015 #30

Boom! And the checklist continues! Orrex Mar 2015 #109

And each time, no answer. immoderate Mar 2015 #112

You have ignored the answer every time it's been given Orrex Mar 2015 #115

Because it's not the answer to my request. It's a diversion. immoderate Mar 2015 #123

Keep looking. Orrex Mar 2015 #141

As I am not as great a thinker as you... immoderate Mar 2015 #144

Funny how anti-GMO zealots always roll out the personal attacks. Orrex Mar 2015 #152

Dishonest? Zealot? Ah the perils of questioning you. immoderate Mar 2015 #199

Does Suzuki engage in personal attacks like you do? No? Orrex Mar 2015 #207

I imagine he does. Maybe more, maybe less. immoderate Mar 2015 #219

No. He doesn't. He's quite good-natured, unlike the pro-GMO folks here. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #348

As are all the DU GMO pushers upaloopa Mar 2015 #19

Careful! Orrex Mar 2015 #21

Hey just what I need more lectures from you upaloopa Mar 2015 #26

You free to use your brain. Find me one post anywhere on DU where I've suggested otherwise. Orrex Mar 2015 #114

My brain says ignore you upaloopa Mar 2015 #120

So your brain doesn't like the real world? HuckleB Mar 2015 #151

Your "brain" is smart on that.. you're missing NOTHING. Cha Mar 2015 #209

So you live in a fiction-based world? HuckleB Mar 2015 #294

You're the bully here. Bradical79 Mar 2015 #385

Work for Monsanto, do you? gregcrawford Mar 2015 #32

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000...where's the infinity symbol on my keyboard? Dont call me Shirley Mar 2015 #52

The shill gambit is BS. HuckleB Mar 2015 #60

Boom! And the checklist continues! Orrex Mar 2015 #108

This message was self-deleted by its author gregcrawford Mar 2015 #33

In the voice of Sheldon, "Anthropology is not a real science anyways." good luck with your quackery dilby Mar 2015 #24

. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2015 #37

I have no problem at all when GMO technology is used to develop a hedgehog Mar 2015 #41

After having some difficulty in demonstrating the "go ahead" in RNA manipulation might have risks, mmonk Mar 2015 #45

just dropped in to see Jane ridiculed and tossed under the bus. G_j Mar 2015 #67

And instead you found some people who disagreed with her, and some who agreed with her. HuckleB Mar 2015 #71

You are perhaps the meanest person I have ever met in DU ... Trajan Mar 2015 #163

Why? HuckleB Mar 2015 #188

+1 bazillion. nt laundry_queen Mar 2015 #197

It's interesting that you can't support your claims. HuckleB Mar 2015 #223

What claims? laundry_queen Mar 2015 #248

You haven't made any claims about GMOs, ever? HuckleB Mar 2015 #276

I didn't. Check my posts. I think it has been pretty civil but I do stand with Jane in a proper mmonk Mar 2015 #85

it's a good point G_j Mar 2015 #169

Dishonesty is never civil. HuckleB Mar 2015 #334

Right, because there's no middle ground. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #170

yes G_j Mar 2015 #172

Jane Goodall also believes in bigfoot and telepathic parrots Orrex Mar 2015 #116

If those are true, I need links. HuckleB Mar 2015 #125

I'll post them later this evening--not in a convenient place to do it right now Orrex Mar 2015 #140

link Rex Mar 2015 #147

Is NPR still considered a reliable source? Revanchist Mar 2015 #159

Here you go: Orrex Mar 2015 #204

I believe persons who may be incorrect in one subject are always incorrect in any subject. mmonk Mar 2015 #128

How about Goodall producing a consensus of science to support her claims on GMOs? HuckleB Mar 2015 #129

Nor have I have seen scientists for profit build theirs for GMO's. mmonk Mar 2015 #131

Your post doesn't make sense. HuckleB Mar 2015 #135

What is your specialty? is it in biology and genetics and DNA and RNA strands as well as mmonk Mar 2015 #138

You responded to yourself. HuckleB Mar 2015 #154

says the guy who posted the video moderated by a guy paid by the Kochs and various other ND-Dem Mar 2015 #238

Says the guy who can't argue with actual evidence of any kind. HuckleB Mar 2015 #277

Feel better after your little tantrum? Orrex Mar 2015 #139

Thank you all knowing god. I will throw away any contrary questions or evidences mmonk Mar 2015 #145

I imagine that you think your attempt at snark (or whatever that is) is clever. Orrex Mar 2015 #148

Well when I want a authority on GMO's, a anthropologist is not on the list. EX500rider Mar 2015 #150

I'm bowing out to tackle this issue another day. Yes, I know it looks like a nerd foodfight. mmonk Mar 2015 #157

So you can't answer the questions given to you. HuckleB Mar 2015 #158

You didn't look at my questions. But arrogant people never do. mmonk Mar 2015 #164

I've looked at your questions a million times. HuckleB Mar 2015 #181

Your citation doesn't include GMO safety as a "fact." immoderate Mar 2015 #201

Want a fact? The burden of proof should lie with those that tamper with a consummable product mmonk Mar 2015 #243

And that's why so much science has been done on GMOs. HuckleB Mar 2015 #278

Oh, well if she said so, it must be right, correct? X_Digger Mar 2015 #171

How can one argue with the writer of 'Seeds of Hope'? mathematic Mar 2015 #191

GMO's suck SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #239

#36 of the Woo Woo Credo... SidDithers Mar 2015 #252

"You can't prove that what you don't know will hurt you. So eat whatever the fuck we trick you into GoneFishin Mar 2015 #251

All this over wanting labels on foods that are GMO...OH MY! Rex Mar 2015 #253

How Scare Tactics on GMO Foods Hurt Everybody HuckleB Mar 2015 #286

ouch - that hurts SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #363

AAAS Scientists: Consensus on GMO Safety Firmer Than For Human-Induced Climate Change HuckleB Mar 2015 #291

First you quote an organization funded by the Kochs, now you quote Sense about Science. ND-Dem Mar 2015 #316

Can you find any inaccurate statements from Sense About Science? HuckleB Mar 2015 #317

Look, why should I pay any attention to non-scientific sources? The right-wing crap you're ND-Dem Mar 2015 #321

Why are you so dishonest? HuckleB Mar 2015 #323

Genera Database On Studies Re: GMOs. HuckleB Mar 2015 #295

GMOs are Social Darwinism on an industrial scale. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #320

You actually complained about people who passed chemistry and biology? HuckleB Mar 2015 #324

K & R nt mother earth Mar 2015 #333

Anti-science advocates are freaking out about Google truth rankings HuckleB Mar 2015 #336

To mention google and truth in the same sentence is a cruel joke. google is an intelligence ND-Dem Mar 2015 #376

You like to spread that propaganda far and wide. HuckleB Mar 2015 #379