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stevenleser

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142. I have no problem with comparing recs. That's part of the transparency of DU.

Wed Mar 11, 2015, 05:28 PM

Mar 2015

Let's make sure we are prepared to do nuance, however.

XYZ troll can join and post a comment that extols President Obama's position seeking an agreement with Iran. Many folks will Rec it. XYZ Troll gets banned later. Rec'ing that post is no big deal IMHO.

Rec'ing a post by XYZ Troll that is a dishonest attack on a Democrat and a blatant distortion of the facts, and then it comes out that XYZ troll was a right winger masquerading as a Democrat and his entire purpose at DU was to divide Democrats against each other and against elected Democrats? Well, that is embarrassing IMHO and SHOULD be embarrassing.

It's sad that I even have to say this, but I am sure as the day is long that some folks will try to make a dishonest comparison between rec's of banned DUers.

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Can someone tell me the saga of the poster known as "Better Believe It" [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 OP

Long time troll, stayed on the fence as much as possible, but finally went too far. randome Mar 2015 #1

I wonder how I missed that./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #2

I lose track of time. Was it 2 years ago? 3? Maybe you were on hiatus from DU then? randome Mar 2015 #3

As you can see I have a ton of posts but they come in bunches DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #6

Or maybe YOU are Better Believe It come back from the grave! randome Mar 2015 #8

I don't remember him all that much or at all...He's green* . I'm blue, DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #12

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #4

+1 pintobean Mar 2015 #13

Looks like some of the colleagues got upset. Thin-skinned lot, eh? nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #17

Jury decisions never surprise me any more pintobean Mar 2015 #22

Note the alerter used the same message that Skinner used to shitcan msanthrope Mar 2015 #29

Yeah, that is weird. /nt pintobean Mar 2015 #31

Here are the jury results marym625 Mar 2015 #26

That alerter openly mocked Skinner.....that alert message is exactly msanthrope Mar 2015 #27

I don't know marym625 Mar 2015 #33

That is a reality. pintobean Mar 2015 #43

I don't know if that was meant to mock. marym625 Mar 2015 #35

Mocked... or *was*... Agschmid Mar 2015 #39

Yeah, I didn't want to say it. Some folks are clearly looking for a reason to alert... stevenleser Mar 2015 #45

Yes, admins should look into that alerter. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #40

That's kind of creepy, stevenleser. Comrade Grumpy Mar 2015 #104

I do not think that word means what you think it means. stevenleser Mar 2015 #117

Alerts and jury decisions are anonymous to us, but not to them. Warren DeMontague Mar 2015 #132

LOL! Rex Mar 2015 #148

Wonder if the alerter knows Skinner/admin one_voice Mar 2015 #53

Definitely a troll alert. joshcryer Mar 2015 #118

the "hide" on the post is as stupid as it gets lately Sheepshank Mar 2015 #41

Exactly. That post was not even close to personal attack. But obviously some hit dogs hollered Number23 Mar 2015 #153

The Protectorate!!! Oh God, the PROTECTORATE!!!! Number23 Mar 2015 #150

Interesting. So posting something from Matt Rothschild and the Progressive makes you a RW troll?? RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #94

No, posting something from The Weekly Standard, Avik Roy and Tim Carney make you a RW troll... SidDithers Mar 2015 #113

And to add to the other reply to you, completely mischaracterizing what the President said in order stevenleser Mar 2015 #123

Haha. And a flack is just a troll with a pay stub. n/t RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #124

Could be. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #126

Seriously? So that so-called "true progressive" self-righteous pisswipe Arkana Mar 2015 #5

Purity troll who would cite The Weekly Standard to geek tragedy Mar 2015 #7

My "favorite" was Seventh Son who said the CIA gave Jamaican men man boobs. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #10

YES! He was my favorite too! ellie Mar 2015 #54

well. I sure missed the festivities! BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #168

He flamed out four years before you arrived./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #173

I was on earlier... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2015 #174

Talk about a dead giveaway. mmonk Mar 2015 #21

We still have quiet a few right wing trolls here IMO madokie Mar 2015 #9

He was a ratfucking troll(s) who posted more and more far out pieces msanthrope Mar 2015 #11

I think I remember him DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #14

Here is Skinner, in prime form.....but the whole thread, msanthrope Mar 2015 #15

A glance at who rec'ed that piece is... interesting. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #23

Yeah. Because I'm against wars without end for profits without cease. Octafish Mar 2015 #32

No, you rec'ed a crazy attack on the President that even had Skinner, who stays out of stevenleser Mar 2015 #36

What's crazy is supporting wars without end for profits without cease. Octafish Mar 2015 #48

All the good intentions in the world are no reason to recommend a crazy and dishonest OP. stevenleser Mar 2015 #49

Doubling down to you? Octafish Mar 2015 #57

Nope, this is a forum. Everyone can see it. It's not a private discussion between you and I. stevenleser Mar 2015 #61

Which is what makes it interesting. Octafish Mar 2015 #69

Do my contentions stand up against yours? Well I don't quote antisemites for backup stevenleser Mar 2015 #176

You've mischaracterized Skinner's comment. Jim Lane Mar 2015 #109

No, I may not have worded it elegantly, but the point is Skinner said it didnt say what BBI said it stevenleser Mar 2015 #115

He pointed out willful distortion on the OP's part BainsBane Mar 2015 #125

I don't agree with that interpretation Jim Lane Mar 2015 #181

Check out the jury hide abovethread....the alerter used the same msanthrope Mar 2015 #38

I don't think the chance that is coincidence is very high. Admins should look into that alert. stevenleser Mar 2015 #42

Before I clicked on the list of reccers, I made a mental list of who is likely to be named there Sheepshank Mar 2015 #50

Yep. It begins to explain a lot, doesn't it? nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #79

explanation only in part...mostly a confirmation n/t Sheepshank Mar 2015 #103

A belief that people here only rec OPs that they agree with is......interesting. djean111 Mar 2015 #55

Except I didn't make that contention, did I? nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #60

No you made your contention to denigrate those who supported the OP. Octafish Mar 2015 #67

Nope, I made no such comment. You find it embarrassing because it is, not because of what I wrote.nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #76

I do the same thing Mojorabbit Mar 2015 #111

I do that, as well. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #136

Ooooh, now you are on some LISTS! Or in a slam book. Or something. djean111 Mar 2015 #139

Probably. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #141

I'll vouch for Octafish, a very informed poster here. mmonk Mar 2015 #99

I guess I didn't see that one --an epic post-- and nice work by you msanthrope. panader0 Mar 2015 #167

I thank you for the compliment. ...that thread was fun. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #182

Too bad getting shitcanned for right-wing trollery only seems to happen in GD / LBN Scootaloo Mar 2015 #128

No--and I'd mock anybody who cited Tucker Carlson's rag into the ground. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #137

Read also for the simpletons having the time of their lives yukking it up in that thread Number23 Mar 2015 #156

And the recs.....and what a bullshit hide above us. I miss Rowdyboy. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #163

There's one I'd like to get noticed on daredtowork Mar 2015 #179

There's a clique here that actually attempts to paint DUers ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #16

Actually...if you run my username against some well-known banned trolls, msanthrope Mar 2015 #18

Or SDuderstadt. Octafish Mar 2015 #34

I don't see Msanthrope in that thread at all BainsBane Mar 2015 #37

No, but msanthrope's chums SidDithers and zappaman found much in common with SDuderstadt. Octafish Mar 2015 #44

By all means, provide links. This should be good. stevenleser Mar 2015 #47

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #62

Just as I expected, first one off the bat doesnt say what you imply it says. stevenleser Mar 2015 #66

Seeing how you asked for examples... Octafish Mar 2015 #72

Its a forum. Anyone can respond to you on any comment. That doesnt make it tag team. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #73

Right. Like pointing out who recced a post by a DUer. Octafish Mar 2015 #74

Hey, I know you are embarrassed by your rec and you should be. That's not my fault. nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #78

Where am I embarrassed? Your imagination? Octafish Mar 2015 #88

Christopher Bollyn is another anti-Semite... SidDithers Mar 2015 #129

Oh dear ZOG. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #131

Yup... SidDithers Mar 2015 #183

Another one? zappaman Mar 2015 #134

What I "wonder" is how someone ends up quoting and rec'ing so many trolls and antisemites stevenleser Mar 2015 #175

my chemtrails are lacking the radiation my garden will need snooper2 Mar 2015 #81

snooper2! The poster who got me to go to Duquesne! Octafish Mar 2015 #84

no prob...what I'm here for snooper2 Mar 2015 #87

No kidding. Octafish Mar 2015 #90

And in the second and third links, it also doesnt indicate what you imply. stevenleser Mar 2015 #75

Like I'm going to post their PMs, stevenleser? Octafish Mar 2015 #83

PMs from one to you means nothing. And finally your fourth link above, which I have to stevenleser Mar 2015 #120

I have never sent him a PM. zappaman Mar 2015 #121

He seems to believe any disagreement with him constitutes a right wing conspiracy. stevenleser Mar 2015 #122

You want me to go back through posts from years ago BainsBane Mar 2015 #51

+1000 marym625 Mar 2015 #80

Its playing, "stat boy," like they do with polling statistics. nilesobek Mar 2015 #178

Pretty good description. n/t marym625 Mar 2015 #180

This message was self-deleted by its author closeupready Mar 2015 #52

How exactly do Sid and zappaman work to "advance the right wing POV on DU"? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #56

Denigrating those who point out the right wing POV. Octafish Mar 2015 #58

Again, not liking your OPs doesn't count. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #59

You're a bright person, you figure it out. Octafish Mar 2015 #64

Yeah, you're not the arbiter of what's right wing or not around here. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #68

Never said I was. Octafish Mar 2015 #71

Given the amount of times you've accused others of, what was it... NuclearDem Mar 2015 #89

Show where I post ''hypothetically, mocking laughable conspiracy theory bullshit'' Octafish Mar 2015 #92

Wait, you're being serious? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #96

So, you can't show where I'm wrong. Octafish Mar 2015 #100

Yeah, why would the Rothschilds have problems with conspiracy theories? NuclearDem Mar 2015 #102

Yes, you have implied it constantly. Disagreeing with you=pro right wing. You've implied that again stevenleser Mar 2015 #119

Pro-right wing, pro-TEPCO, pro-national security state, pro-MIC. NuclearDem Mar 2015 #184

And in your world, that includes them denigrating BBI who it turns out was a right wing troll? nt stevenleser Mar 2015 #63

Does that make sense to you? Octafish Mar 2015 #65

Says the guy who called a banned anti-Semitic troll a "great DUer". zappaman Mar 2015 #98

Octa....I never claimed to be as good as Sid and Zappa....but they were correct. nt msanthrope Mar 2015 #105

Oh, man, I had forgotten all about that guy. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #140

Actually, it seems to come up in response to a whole lot of people who are in good standing. Marr Mar 2015 #70

Purists and right wingers are mutually exclusive as used on this board. DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #19

In this context, what's a "Purist" ? 2banon Mar 2015 #85

True believer./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #93

Ok. so it's not intended as a sneer, put down, otherwise perjoratively? 2banon Mar 2015 #101

No./NT DemocratSinceBirth Mar 2015 #108

Ok. Taking your word with regard to intentions .. 2banon Mar 2015 #114

I'm lost again. Jamastiene Mar 2015 #166

That's your interpretation and spin. Another interpretation, which has more evidence, is to stevenleser Mar 2015 #25

So, that I have seen numerous examples of DUers being tagged with ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2015 #28

It has everything to do with what you said as I am sure most who read it and your comments will note stevenleser Mar 2015 #30

There have been many trolls on this site who took on an opposite persona, too. Marr Mar 2015 #82

I have to say BainsBane Mar 2015 #135

I have no problem with comparing recs. That's part of the transparency of DU. stevenleser Mar 2015 #142

I doubt that either variety of troll employs more dishonest attacks or spurious arguments than the Marr Mar 2015 #165

The difference is that kind of troll is here to promote the GOP BainsBane Mar 2015 #170

They're after the same things, no matter what persona they wear. Marr Mar 2015 #171

I think the BBI variety is more insidious BainsBane Mar 2015 #172

I think it's an appropiate joke. RiffRandell Mar 2015 #149

So that'ts what that phrase is about. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2015 #97

Honestly Bobbie Jo Mar 2015 #20

BBI was inconvenient during the last presidential election cycle aikoaiko Mar 2015 #24

Someone whose influence on the obsessed here Starry Messenger Mar 2015 #46

Sometimes I like to check my Ignore list to see who's been tombstoned. valerief Mar 2015 #77

"You can tell when it's a snarky RWer using a cheesy leftie name." RufusTFirefly Mar 2015 #86

So...we done here? randome Mar 2015 #91

BBI was someone with way too much support here for far too long. NCTraveler Mar 2015 #95

I thought BBI was actually Glenn Greewald. JaneyVee Mar 2015 #106

BBI was also a big fan of the Chinese government muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #107

Oh man, I'd forgotten about that... SidDithers Mar 2015 #133

OMG BainsBane Mar 2015 #143

LOL -- BBI Hekate Mar 2015 #110

Is this the same troll who was actually a moderator at one point? GusBob Mar 2015 #112

No, I don't think so muriel_volestrangler Mar 2015 #116

graham4anything Go Vols Mar 2015 #127

LoZoccolo too pintobean Mar 2015 #130

LoZ told Skinner directly he was going to troll... joshcryer Mar 2015 #144

He isn't a right-winger BainsBane Mar 2015 #138

I was a host at the time Go Vols Mar 2015 #145

Troll can mean a lot of things BainsBane Mar 2015 #146

Correct Go Vols Mar 2015 #154

He may not have been a right-winger, Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #147

Still can be. pintobean Mar 2015 #162

I can understand how someone would think that. Blue_In_AK Mar 2015 #164

Very interesting replies, thanks for this OP. Rex Mar 2015 #151

Used to get hundreds of recs for constant anti-Dem, especially anti-Obama tirades. Sound familiar? Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #152

You better believe it! zappaman Mar 2015 #155

Sounds familiar looks familiar feels familiar smells familiar... great white snark Mar 2015 #157

Does it ever. BainsBane Mar 2015 #158

This thread... Number23 Mar 2015 #160

Too funny! Tarheel_Dem Mar 2015 #185

One of the ones I did a happy dance to see gone Warpy Mar 2015 #159

One of many who was on my ignore list BumRushDaShow Mar 2015 #161

Some have called that poster a "great DUer" zappaman Mar 2015 #169

The scores of RW trolls posing as centrist Democrats who have been banned Zorra Mar 2015 #177