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In reply to the discussion: Democrats used to stand for principles [View all]whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)100. lmfao - Let me translate your tough guy sound bite to what you really mean:
"If you don't like Goldman Sachs running the Democratic Party, then start your own investment bank and buy your own candidate"
Why not? Because this is what happens
It is well known that Wasserman-Schultz supports Republicans Lincoln Diaz-Balart, Mario Diaz-Balart, and Ileana Ros-Lehtinen over their Democratic opponents, although lately she has been pressured into giving belated and grudging support to Joe Garcia and Raul Martinez who are opposing the Diaz-Balarts. I always figured that she was just afraid of the Hispanic backlash in her own district. What I hadnt considered is that she is just afraid of all incumbent Republicans in Florida. When I met her in Denver, she immediately told me that she couldnt support me, saying I hadnt raised enough money. I told her that I had raised $100K, that I was a military retiree, that my family is living on my wifes Air Force E6 pay, and that I wasnt able like other viable candidates to drop a quarter of a million dollars into my own campaign. I then told her, Congresswoman, I am one of those working-class guys that our party claims to represent. Her response was Dont pull that populist stuff with me. I thanked her for her time.
http://downwithtyranny.blogspot.com/2008/09/debbie-wasserman-schultz-to-florida.html
Americas anti-liberal myth: Why Dems learned the wrong lesson from 1984
Your calendar says its 2015, but its always 1984 in mind of the New Dems. These are the economically conservative Democrats that include centrists like the old Democratic Leadership Council, Third Way and financial sector-centric elected Democrats (plus Robert Rubin, the Rubin-launched Hamilton Project and associated advisers on the policy side). As always, they are again invoking 1984 to conjure images of a grave danger to Democrats ability to win elections in the form of ascendant progressive populism.
The New Dems scare story goes something like this: In 1984 Walter Mondale lost 49 states because he ran as a Super Liberal. Democrats would have kept losing if the New Dems had not formed to take control of and steer the party. In 1992 Bill Clinton ran as Centrist Man and Democrats started winning elections again. Now, economic progressives who prioritize other things before Wall Streets approval are causing trouble. If these progressives Democrats represent the party it will again be banished to the political wilderness and forced to relearn the lesson of the 80s and 90s.
This premise is not only wrongheaded, in important ways its backwards. The temptation not to relitigate something that is, after all, over 30 years in the past is obviated by 1984s continued role as the go-to cudgel against progressive Democrats. The New Dems reliance on the 84 cautionary tale is illustrative of an under-appreciated dynamic in the struggle between the progressive/populist coalition and the Wall Street wing: there never really was a big, public fight for the soul of the party in the 80s and 90s. While Bill de Blasios election in New York and Rahm Emanuels unexpected struggle in Chicago, along with the prominence of Elizabeth Warren, may seem like a lot of gained ground in short time, its not Too Much Too Soon. Its long overdue.
http://www.salon.com/2015/03/14/americas_anti_liberal_myth_why_dems_learned_the_wrong_lesson_from_1984/
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Sounds like you are telling us to leave and vote for another political party. Is that what you think
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#4
They apparently don't need the Left. So the Left has taken them at their word and started selecting
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#8
Thank you. The meme that finding good candidates is my job is a fucking joke, anyway.
merrily
Mar 2015
#133
Well, that's what we LEARNED. Who picked Christie for Governor of NJ, a BLUE STATE v the Dem
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#72
Obviously reading isn't your strong suit, either. It sounds like nothing of the sort.
MADem
Mar 2015
#10
Well, in Arkansas we found a great candidate for governor last year-- Bill Halter,
Art_from_Ark
Mar 2015
#34
Well, you, and others like you, need to work your way up into the "fat cat" leadership.
MADem
Mar 2015
#35
My point still stands. If your guy had critical mass, they couldn't pull any rug out from under him
MADem
Mar 2015
#43
The objective is to get money OUT of politics, to STOP the buying of candidates, not to pour MORE
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#55
It seems as if the Arkansas Democratic Party just pushed the self-destruct button
Art_from_Ark
Mar 2015
#60
One thing I've noticed is that 99% of the folks here that are always breaking their arms patting
Number23
Mar 2015
#93
We did that, in the mid terms. Didn't you notice, Liberal groups and orgs and supporters across the
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#6
Progressive WON in the last election. Now if the leadership again refuses to hear the voters,
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#13
You just don't see it. And that's what voters are talking about. It's like banging your head against
sabrina 1
Mar 2015
#19
Doesn't see it, doesn't choose to see it, doesn't admit seeing it. Doesn't much matter which.
merrily
Mar 2015
#57
No. I think people should fight FOR their candidates, rather than against the candidates of others.
MADem
Mar 2015
#25
For someone chiding someone else on a grammatical error, you should realize that
cui bono
Mar 2015
#17
Sorry--you're wrong. There are "undeclared candidates" in this race, and you know it.
MADem
Mar 2015
#18
In a political race, once you declare you become a candidate, until then you are not one.
cui bono
Mar 2015
#27
Yeah, that's why Gallup and others do polls to find out how these "undeclared candidates" might
MADem
Mar 2015
#38
If all the Democratic Party has is HRC then they have nothing but fear of a Republican who is worse
anotojefiremnesuka
Mar 2015
#39
Not sure what your point was, there. Primary season is a ways away. Have a nice day. nt
MADem
Mar 2015
#40
I know you don’t otherwise I would not have responded in the first place. Enjoy your day!
anotojefiremnesuka
Mar 2015
#41
PASSIVE. "Are promptly told..." -- and what do you do? Tug your forelock and say Yessir?
MADem
Mar 2015
#107
Well thanks--it's how I sincerely feel. I would love to see some "platform talk."
MADem
Mar 2015
#109
Yeah sure except for FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter and thousands of local and federal
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#14
I find your historical whitewashing not just inaccurate, but deeply offensive
YoungDemCA
Mar 2015
#124
Do you remember Nov. 22, 1963? If not, how do you know what it was like to be ''deeply'' offended?
Octafish
Mar 2015
#128
Don't confuse an instant in time with the momentum for progress. Over the course of recent history
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#30
The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest Democratic caucus within the Congress
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#48
And yet you think you need to explain to me that I also need money? What towering arrogance.
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#56
I didn't pirate shit from you and don't know what this "community" of mine is.
TheKentuckian
Mar 2015
#59
You are preaching to me that people need jobs even as you argue that those of us who seek equal
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#64
I never said any such thing. You are putting your words into my mouth. I've spit them out.
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#61
You: "There would be no need for a special caucus if the Democratic Party hadn't steered away from
Bluenorthwest
Mar 2015
#70
"You say there is no need for them. " - show me where I said this? Retract your misquote. You hijack
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#84
It's easier to romanticize the Party of olden days ... that appeared to work ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2015
#81
This is why all the emails just say "The Republicans did something awful. Send cash." Policy? Ha!
Scuba
Mar 2015
#44
With little else, the half-wit pretends a bumper-sticker is someone's premise, and argues against th
LanternWaste
Mar 2015
#116
Principles become inconvienent incumbrances to ambitious politicians.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2015
#77
lmfao - Let me translate your tough guy sound bite to what you really mean:
whereisjustice
Mar 2015
#100
DLC, Third Way, Progressive Policy Institute, Century for American Progress, No Labels, all
merrily
Mar 2015
#134
Hillary isn't our only option ... Lots of words ... No alternative mentioned.
JoePhilly
Mar 2015
#135