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SomethingFishy

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102. We do find our own candidates.. and are promptly told "they can't win"

Sun Mar 15, 2015, 10:05 PM

Mar 2015

and that if we vote for them we are "giving the election to the Republicans, and have no right to complain if we lose".

No matter what I do Democrats are not happy. I worked for voted for and donated money to Obama, twice, and any time I register a complaint I am harassed to the point where I just gave up and put a shitload of people on ignore. I'm sorry, I earned the right to have my complaints heard and not be called a whiner, or to have political issues that affect me personally equated to a child not getting a pony.

Is it just "negativity and naysaying" when I question the fast tracking and secrecy of the TPP? Or is it a legitimate question?

Yeah we could use a little more organization and we need to push more candidates, but you guys could be a little more supportive. I mean really, "get off your behinds"?

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Democrats used to stand for principles [View all] whereisjustice Mar 2015 OP

Principals run schools. MADem Mar 2015 #1

Sounds like you are telling us to leave and vote for another political party. Is that what you think whereisjustice Mar 2015 #4

They apparently don't need the Left. So the Left has taken them at their word and started selecting sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #8

Sooner or later... malokvale77 Mar 2015 #31

IMO, most Democratic politicians in office at this point are centrists. merrily Mar 2015 #52

Run candidates! Adrahil Mar 2015 #49

Really? That easy? bvar22 Mar 2015 #101

Yep-- every once in awhile the curtain has to be removed to save some Marr Mar 2015 #104

What's your alternative? Adrahil Mar 2015 #112

Simple. bvar22 Mar 2015 #114

Thank you. The meme that finding good candidates is my job is a fucking joke, anyway. merrily Mar 2015 #133

You've STARTED selecting and supporting your own Democrats? brooklynite Mar 2015 #63

Well, that's what we LEARNED. Who picked Christie for Governor of NJ, a BLUE STATE v the Dem sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #72

Buono was a bad candidate brooklynite Mar 2015 #75

Same goes for Florida...or ANY state. bvar22 Mar 2015 #117

"Third Wayers will be primaried" Oilwellian Mar 2015 #65

Obviously reading isn't your strong suit, either. It sounds like nothing of the sort. MADem Mar 2015 #10

Well, in Arkansas we found a great candidate for governor last year-- Bill Halter, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #34

Well, you, and others like you, need to work your way up into the "fat cat" leadership. MADem Mar 2015 #35

You should take this up with my fellow Arkansan, Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #42

My point still stands. If your guy had critical mass, they couldn't pull any rug out from under him MADem Mar 2015 #43

The guy had been lieutenant governor, for crying out loud! Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #46

IMO, the Party should remain neutral in primaries. No thumbs on the scale. merrily Mar 2015 #54

Apparently, pre-primaries are just for weeding out candidates Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #110

I know, right? That talking point makes no sense. merrily Mar 2015 #132

I'm with you guys. bvar22 Mar 2015 #138

Where were his donors? MADem Mar 2015 #91

The objective is to get money OUT of politics, to STOP the buying of candidates, not to pour MORE sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #55

Have you not been reading what I write? MADem Mar 2015 #90

I've been reading what you wrote, bvar22 Mar 2015 #120

The "innocent" here is you. MADem Mar 2015 #131

Continuing an above "conversation". bvar22 Mar 2015 #139

Right back atcha. nt MADem Mar 2015 #143

"you need to work your way up into the "fat cat" leadership" bvar22 Mar 2015 #123

Oh really? Do you think Liz Warren was born a multi-millionaire? MADem Mar 2015 #130

That sounds exactly like how we got Mary Burke as our candidate Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #51

Kansas has been run like this too, MuseRider Mar 2015 #53

It seems as if the Arkansas Democratic Party just pushed the self-destruct button Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #60

Serious question ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #79

Probably by refusing to give him any backing if he did win Art_from_Ark Mar 2015 #92

Then what's your answer? Adrahil Mar 2015 #113

Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #29

Wow--nasty accusation, that. And blatantly false. Nice smear job, though. MADem Mar 2015 #36

"...us liberals..." randome Mar 2015 #67

One thing I've noticed is that 99% of the folks here that are always breaking their arms patting Number23 Mar 2015 #93

I think you've hit it out of the park. MADem Mar 2015 #96

You did too, my friend! Number23 Mar 2015 #97

Youf last sentence nearly cost me a keyboard!! MADem Mar 2015 #98

Great point Andy823 Mar 2015 #99

Mmmm hmmmm! MADem Mar 2015 #95

We did that, in the mid terms. Didn't you notice, Liberal groups and orgs and supporters across the sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #6

Whining about Clinton isn't "doing it." MADem Mar 2015 #9

Progressive WON in the last election. Now if the leadership again refuses to hear the voters, sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #13

There's no way you can call the midterms a win. MADem Mar 2015 #16

You just don't see it. And that's what voters are talking about. It's like banging your head against sabrina 1 Mar 2015 #19

Who's 'blaming the voters?' MADem Mar 2015 #26

Doesn't see it, doesn't choose to see it, doesn't admit seeing it. Doesn't much matter which. merrily Mar 2015 #57

By your argument we ought to just abandon the election system Scootaloo Mar 2015 #24

No. I think people should fight FOR their candidates, rather than against the candidates of others. MADem Mar 2015 #25

Third Way, Bluedogs got hammered. malokvale77 Mar 2015 #33

Lots of candidates got hammered. MADem Mar 2015 #37

For someone chiding someone else on a grammatical error, you should realize that cui bono Mar 2015 #17

Sorry--you're wrong. There are "undeclared candidates" in this race, and you know it. MADem Mar 2015 #18

In a political race, once you declare you become a candidate, until then you are not one. cui bono Mar 2015 #27

Yeah, that's why Gallup and others do polls to find out how these "undeclared candidates" might MADem Mar 2015 #38

If all the Democratic Party has is HRC then they have nothing but fear of a Republican who is worse anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #39

Not sure what your point was, there. Primary season is a ways away. Have a nice day. nt MADem Mar 2015 #40

I know you don’t otherwise I would not have responded in the first place. Enjoy your day! anotojefiremnesuka Mar 2015 #41

We do find our own candidates.. and are promptly told "they can't win" SomethingFishy Mar 2015 #102

PASSIVE. "Are promptly told..." -- and what do you do? Tug your forelock and say Yessir? MADem Mar 2015 #107

Even better than your first foray in this thread!! Number23 Mar 2015 #108

Well thanks--it's how I sincerely feel. I would love to see some "platform talk." MADem Mar 2015 #109

Thanks princiPLEs cilla4progress Mar 2015 #2

Thanks and yikes, fixed it. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #3

No worries cilla4progress Mar 2015 #66

Sounds like you listed some RW platform items. Thinkingabout Mar 2015 #5

Lots and lots of Democrats for those things you first listed... Drunken Irishman Mar 2015 #7

The Sanders Agenda for America nationalize the fed Mar 2015 #11

A great agenda...that he can't implement if he can't win... brooklynite Mar 2015 #119

The good old days that never were. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #12

Yeah sure except for FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and Carter and thousands of local and federal whereisjustice Mar 2015 #14

FDR had a terrible civil liberties record. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #71

So what are you doing on your local level, then? Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #105

You wouldn't believe how different things were before Nov. 22, 1963. Octafish Mar 2015 #23

That may be a matter of one's perception. merrily Mar 2015 #85

That is the big picture. That's also why I'm a Kennedy Democrat. Octafish Mar 2015 #89

Thanks. I never heard of that memo, either. merrily Mar 2015 #137

I find your historical whitewashing not just inaccurate, but deeply offensive YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #124

Do you remember Nov. 22, 1963? If not, how do you know what it was like to be ''deeply'' offended? Octafish Mar 2015 #128

So true. The OP demonstrates treestar Mar 2015 #69

This ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2015 #142

K&R thank you for this tread ... Dragonfli Mar 2015 #15

K&R ReRe Mar 2015 #20

And now they stand for the 1% ... blkmusclmachine Mar 2015 #21

K&R. JDPriestly Mar 2015 #22

There are tons of D's in Congress Jamaal510 Mar 2015 #28

Don't confuse an instant in time with the momentum for progress. Over the course of recent history whereisjustice Mar 2015 #30

The Congressional Progressive Caucus is the largest Democratic caucus within the Congress Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #48

Yet without the kind that folds and spins you got jack shit TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #50

And yet you think you need to explain to me that I also need money? What towering arrogance. Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #56

I didn't pirate shit from you and don't know what this "community" of mine is. TheKentuckian Mar 2015 #59

You are preaching to me that people need jobs even as you argue that those of us who seek equal Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #64

I never said any such thing. You are putting your words into my mouth. I've spit them out. whereisjustice Mar 2015 #61

You: "There would be no need for a special caucus if the Democratic Party hadn't steered away from Bluenorthwest Mar 2015 #70

+1.n/t 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #83

"You say there is no need for them. " - show me where I said this? Retract your misquote. You hijack whereisjustice Mar 2015 #84

+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #82

It's easier to romanticize the Party of olden days ... that appeared to work ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2015 #81

The Party may have "worked" back then.... YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #125

Some did, but... TreasonousBastard Mar 2015 #32

There you go again, introducing facts into an attempt to whitewash history YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #122

This is why all the emails just say "The Republicans did something awful. Send cash." Policy? Ha! Scuba Mar 2015 #44

I'm so sick of those emails. RiverLover Mar 2015 #45

Keep unsubscribing. Eventually, it works. merrily Mar 2015 #141

So true. They should find popular policies like raising the minimum wage lovemydog Mar 2015 #136

Ageed. 99Forever Mar 2015 #47

Who needs principles? Android3.14 Mar 2015 #58

With little else, the half-wit pretends a bumper-sticker is someone's premise, and argues against th LanternWaste Mar 2015 #116

Sorry, I disagree that Democratic principles have changed. randome Mar 2015 #62

Woodward never was a Democrat MFrohike Mar 2015 #111

A party is a cobbling together of like minded treestar Mar 2015 #68

cobbling together of like minded people...that implies shared values HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #73

You are creating a division between people treestar Mar 2015 #74

Yes HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #78

Make these people more famous the masses need to know their names. Instead treestar Mar 2015 #86

I don't think the party's principals have changed. hrmjustin Mar 2015 #76

Principles become inconvienent incumbrances to ambitious politicians. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2015 #77

Holding to principle -seriously- interferes with triangulation HereSince1628 Mar 2015 #87

"Don't let the principled be the enemy of the expedient." Maedhros Mar 2015 #126

How about honesty and transparency?...nt SidDithers Mar 2015 #80

It isn't just Hillary Jim Beard Mar 2015 #88

So quit crying if you don't want Hillary, and Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #94

lmfao - Let me translate your tough guy sound bite to what you really mean: whereisjustice Mar 2015 #100

ok...fine...you win Blue_Tires Mar 2015 #103

Very good Jim Beard Mar 2015 #106

I'm satisfied with the Democratic Party platform. LanternWaste Mar 2015 #115

Hillary... uhm err hmm ...Oligarchy 2016. L0oniX Mar 2015 #118

You mean like these principles? YoungDemCA Mar 2015 #121

Here's what I've observed about how the process works in the USA Dyedinthewoolliberal Mar 2015 #127

Well, that was before the DLC brigade sold the party to Wall $treet hifiguy Mar 2015 #129

DLC, Third Way, Progressive Policy Institute, Century for American Progress, No Labels, all merrily Mar 2015 #134

+1 bvar22 Mar 2015 #140

Hillary isn't our only option ... Lots of words ... No alternative mentioned. JoePhilly Mar 2015 #135